Sephiroth vs Link

@ mr.I_want_proof: what prrof have you posted? the only thing you do is contradidcting us and then says. NL and TK kills link end of story, death.

did you btw say two 50 ton cars at 500 miles per hour? 500 mph = aprox. 223 m/s

energy of the two cars when moving this fast

2(mv^2)/2)= E
mv^2=E
50000*223^2=E

E=2486450000J=2.5 GJ

well a bit more than the 2.0 GJ link can throw a stone with

GJ= Giga joule = 10^9 joule

as for TK and NL I dont know what it is could someone post me an exact description of those.

Also link cannot beat ganon without the mastersword cause without it ganon is really more POWERful than link(the reson I wrote power upper case is cause he has the triforce of power which means that ganon is powerful, lol) also ganon never hurts link with magic in any of the Zelda games, he is a warlock and knows plenty of magic, but the only magic he tries dont work. Also I hope you have played TP cause there is a part where link is infected by twilight realm(the best way I can describe it XD) by Zants EVIL magic, the only thing in the whole universe that can repel this force is the master sword, and I can just say lol at you saying that the master sword dont repel evil cause otherwise it would be useless for link.

Once again post some proof yourself instead of saying that our proof isnt enough. we have tried to proven many things by conditions even you have chosen, but when the eveidence is there you just contradicts it and says that the conditions was something else. You are just using faulty argumentation, you are espacially using the argumentum ad ignorantiam. So stop arguing like a moron.

NL isn't magic. Even two 50 ton cars travelling 1500mph crashing into eachother wouldn't incave the concrete or iron under them.

Proof of what? I've posted proof of EVERYTHING that was asked for. Specify what you want proof for, and i'll provide it. But when i ask for proof of this statement stating Links sword working a a shield against anything that's evil, i get none.

Again the NL isn't magic either, so it works. TK also isn't magic, it's Sephiroths ability.

So until you show me proof, it works against Link. No matter how much you hate that it does, it won't change until you provide some proof that it doesn't, "moron".

Originally posted by Terryc250
NL isn't magic. Even two 50 ton cars travelling 1500mph crashing into eachother wouldn't incave the concrete or iron under them.

Proof of what? I've posted proof of EVERYTHING that was asked for. Specify what you want proof for, and i'll provide it. But when i ask for proof of this statement stating Links sword working a a shield against anything that's evil, i get none.

Again the NL isn't magic either, so it works. TK also isn't magic, it's Sephiroths ability.

So until you show me proof, it works against Link. No matter how much you hate that it does, it won't change until you provide some proof that it doesn't, "moron".

there we go you change your statements again, your a ****ing idiot. and two cars that goes past mach 1 crashing into each other would certainly have some impact on the ground around it, have you seen the effects by passing the sound barrier, those are insane.

Here is a picture of it. http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/images/sightofsound.jpg

and you are talking about speeds that is closer to mach 2 which when they crash into each other will create forces of one vehicle 50 ton crashing into a wall at mach 4(2+2=4 , I thought it was necessary to tell you that since you arent that smart). and you say that that wouldnt affect the wall and not like leaving any marks, nope the wall will be left toatlly untouched(irony, once again I thought it was necessary cause of above already said reason)
Oh and I forgot to tell you that force has direction, this means that it if it isnt directed into the ground it will not affect it of course. something like an explosion is directed in all directions.

Well then prove why TK and NL would affect link, you know link has a weapon that repels ALL EVIL ENERGIES, its called the master sword or EVILS BANE. Also I have proven many things, like links durability with mathematics, and math is somewhat known for always telling the truth

Once again I dont know what NL or TK is could you please explain it to me or post me a link or vid of it.

Originally posted by lootic
there we go you change your statements again, your a ****ing idiot. and two cars that goes past mach 1 crashing into each other would certainly have some impact on the ground around it, have you seen the effects by passing the sound barrier, those are insane.

Here is a picture of it. http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/images/sightofsound.jpg

and you are talking about speeds that is closer to mach 2 which when they crash into each other will create forces of one vehicle 50 ton crashing into a wall at mach 4(2+2=4 , I thought it was necessary to tell you that since you arent that smart). and you say that that wouldnt affect the wall and not like leaving any marks, nope the wall will be left toatlly untouched(irony, once again I thought it was necessary cause of above already said reason)
Oh and I forgot to tell you that force has direction, this means that it if it isnt directed into the ground it will not affect it of course. something like an explosion is directed in all directions.

Well then prove why TK and NL would affect link, you know link has a weapon that repels ALL EVIL ENERGIES, its called the master sword or EVILS BANE. Also I have proven many things, like links durability with mathematics, and math is somewhat known for always telling the truth

Once again I dont know what NL or TK is could you please explain it to me or post me a link or vid of it.

They're both correct so what difference does it make? It wouldnt crator the ground below it. It does have effect on the AIR, but the ground is solid. There's a huge difference. Making the air output from the clash powerful enough the crator concrete and iron is almost impossible without tons of power.

How the hell can I prove it will affect Link? They aren't from the same universe. The NL and TK will affect ANYONE unless the character has actual evidence to prove they're immune to it, in Links case, he does not. Therefore it would work on him.

The lifestream is basically the source of everything. It can be physical like Sephiroths sword, it can turn into life. It's not a magic spell, its simply the substance of the planet.

and you are talking about speeds that is closer to mach 2 which when they crash into each other will create forces of one vehicle 50 ton crashing into a wall at mach 4(2+2=4 , I thought it was necessary to tell you that since you arent that smart). and you say that that wouldnt affect the wall and not like leaving any marks, nope the wall will be left toatlly untouched(irony, once again I thought it was necessary cause of above already said reason)
Oh and I forgot to tell you that force has direction, this means that it if it isnt directed into the ground it will not affect it of course. something like an explosion is directed in all directions.

I don't think you're understanding. For example 2 cars crashed into eachother. There is a cup that was next to where the cars crashed. As soon as the cars crashed the power output from the cars knocks over the cup even though the cars didn't touch the cup. But the energy released from the car crashing was enough to knock over the cup. Now imagine a power strong enough that the power output is strong enough to crator the ground below it, even though the clash was no where near the ground.

Originally posted by Terryc250
They're both correct so what difference does it make? It wouldnt crator the ground below it. It does have effect on the AIR, but the ground is solid. There's a huge difference. Making the air output from the clash powerful enough the crator concrete and iron is almost impossible without tons of power.

How the hell can I prove it will affect Link? They aren't from the same universe. The NL and TK will affect ANYONE unless the character has actual evidence to prove they're immune to it, in Links case, he does not. Therefore it would work on him.

The lifestream is basically the source of everything. It can be physical like Sephiroths sword, it can turn into life. It's not a magic spell, its simply the substance of the planet.

I don't think you're understanding. For example 2 cars crashed into eachother. There is a cup that was next to where the cars crashed. As soon as the cars crashed the power output from the cars knocks over the cup even though the cars didn't touch the cup. But the energy released from the car crashing was enough to knock over the cup. Now imagine a power strong enough that the power output is strong enough to crator the ground below it, even though the clash was no where near the ground.

first off I am studying physics and you are a moron that tries to tell me im wrong when you dont even know the diffrence between power and force, you are mixing them up all the time. And of course there will be some force that becomes air moving somewhat randomly(the impact will not be totally mute for example) just swat the table beside your head, feel that little wind, what speed can you get in your hand , I qould guess it is like 120 km/h its about 0,3 mach, so of course the cup falls. But mostly when you talk physics you assume there is no air cause its much easier to count that way, and if you knew what force is you would know it has size and direction, its basic physics, gravity for example is directed towards earth. The force from the to cars colliding will cancel out each other and become heat and sound. but if I choose to send one car at mach 4 straight towards the ground what will happen?

Why are you allowed to determine what is a valid argument or not? And one more thing you still says that your TK and NL works against link but from what Ive understood those are evil and this makes link immune to them cause of the mastersword, as I already has said evil energies get repelled by the evils bane.

And one thing people has forget to mention, the deku nuts, they stun anyone that watches the flash and can be thrown instantly, after that link gets plenty of time to shoot an light arrow and then bury his sword in sephiroth.

and this lifestream only works on sephiroths planet, I could have misunderstood that cause of how clumsy you said it.

I don't care if you're studying physics because you're still not understanding the concept. I'm not saying how much damage would be caused if you crashed a car into the ground. The guys holding the swords aren't even standing on the ground. You might be studying physics but you should understand your english comprehension better.

When two things strike eachother with force, there will be an output of power. I'll show you the video, and you can go make a theory on how much force/power is required to achieve this in real life.

This is Sephiroth while he was still a human, part jenova. (his weakest form

0:40, 2nd screen, Sephiroth strikes, and from the impact of the clash, crators the concrete ground.
YouTube video

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The lifestream is Sephiroth creation, his weapon. It is his creation from his own infection. Battles are fought on neutral grounds where both their powers apply. Just like how Star Wars can use their "force"

Also, keep bashing, and i'll keep reporting, immaturity is frowned upon around here. Act your age.

lootic, stop the flaming and namecalling right now. Next time I see it will be a warning.

Originally posted by lootic
first off I am studying physics and you are a moron that tries to tell me im wrong when you dont even know the diffrence between power and force

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Force

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Power

Remember lootic, and Terry, smile 🙂, I'm always smiling, even when angry.

lootic

Remembersmile, like me.

Originally posted by Peach
lootic, stop the flaming and namecalling right now. Next time I see it will be a warning.

okay I just saw everyone else doing so and thought it was a part of the debate, it is sometimes you know. 😉 I didnt mean any real offense, I mean I didnt curse did I?(in that case Im really sorry) also terry didnt say anything until now which I find a bit funny.

@ultimate wii: the thing is when you are talking about it more scientific(which we do, IMO) power=Energy/time which.
Force has direction and has the unit Newton(in honour of the great man XD)
Power lacks direction and has the unit Watt(also in honour of a great man)
so why are you smiling XD btw I havent been angry at all, I have been calm and such, smiling over my own loved being XD
here is a source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics)
yes wikipedia I could have edited it but you know what, I havent look at the rest

@idi...*cough* I mean terry(just kidding, maybe not that funny but I couldnt resist the oportunity XD): okay I missed that the only thing I saw was you saying that a car cant really affect the ground. okay but the thing is that in the first vid its really low resolution and the second vid is not longer available, bur from what I see in the first one there seems to be some really blinding flash of light, and then later a bubble shaped thing shows up, this leads me to the conclusion it isnt just the sword clash that is the source of the energy there is something more(something evil maybe).

still I want to know why NL and TK is and how it could possibly affect link, from what Ive heard it is evil.

I have a question about sephiroth also:
Does he need his eyes?

Alot of the times when people say power, they don't literally mean in physics terms.

Sephiroth clashed against a barrier. Though he could not break the barrier the impact caused from the force caused the ground around them to crator. Pretty much the same thing in the second video, swords clashing caused the iron ground around them to crator, ground was no where near them.

So in actual terms of physics how much force/power is required to achieve that in real life? It's almost impossible, correct? So if we go by actual real life physics, Sephiroth must have tremendous power.

Same thing as why Ganons punch would affect Link, or how Ganon could damage him.

Show me a quote saying the Master sword has a shield against anything evil. That's all i ask for.

Sephiroth is completely made up of Jenova cells, if something happens to his eyes, he can just regenerate them.

Originally posted by lootic
@ultimate wii: the thing is when you are talking about it more scientific(which we do, IMO) power=Energy/time which.
Force has direction and has the unit Newton(in honour of the great man XD)
Power lacks direction and has the unit Watt(also in honour of a great man)
so why are you smiling XD btw I havent been angry at all, I have been calm and such, smiling over my own loved being XD
here is a source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics)
yes wikipedia I could have edited it but you know what, I havent look at the rest

I already knew what they were, but I just got the definition of force, and power from dictionary.com, because apparently some don't know what it means, idk, just saw you say difference between force, and power, and I got links. And usually they are not talking about physics terms.

You were just continuing to bash and I assumed you were pissed off, so I just wanted you to smile in case you weren't 🙂.

Originally posted by Peach
lootic, stop the flaming and namecalling right now. Next time I see it will be a warning.

@ultimate wil: kek...you're a disgrace to Joker -.-;

Originally posted by Voyeur
Lootic by the way is Swedish and English isn't his first known language.

@ultimate wil: kek...you're a disgrace to Joker -.-;

You can't disgrace Joker, he's a crap villain anyway.

Hey Voyeur, Artificial Glory, shut your faces, he rocks 🙂.

Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Hey Voyeur, Artificial Glory, shut your faces, he rocks 🙂.

I believe Joker is the most overrated villain of all time while Batman is the most overrated hero. Just my opinion; they both suck big time.

Getting off topic here.

Continue with your discussion Lootic and your equations thus far have all been pretty accurate. I don't think they can fathom to understand the meaning behind the numbers.

and Joker is not overrated. He is currently hyped by fans because of the recent Dark Knight film. If anyone is overrated, it is Sephiroth.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Alot of the times when people say power, they don't literally mean in physics terms.

Sephiroth clashed against a barrier. Though he could not break the barrier the impact caused from the force caused the ground around them to crator. Pretty much the same thing in the second video, swords clashing caused the iron ground around them to crator, ground was no where near them.

So in actual terms of physics how much force/power is required to achieve that in real life? It's almost impossible, correct? So if we go by actual real life physics, Sephiroth must have tremendous power.

Same thing as why Ganons punch would affect Link, or how Ganon could damage him.

Show me a quote saying the Master sword has a shield against anything evil. That's all i ask for.

Sephiroth is completely made up of Jenova cells, if something happens to his eyes, he can just regenerate them.

yes I know that about power but the thing is that people that says power when they should say force also mix up the two and thinks in some really unlogical ways.

btw I got the second vid to work and tried to edit my post but it said something about that i wasnt allowed to. *confused*
EDIT: okay now I could see the second swordclash and it really looks like it is the sword(the fire one) that does it and not the force of the actual clash. Cause at first there is very little shiny cool effect, then after a while he turns on the sword and suddenly there is sparks all over the place and when they clash he did something more with his sword to enhance it that created the actual effect, also the effect was really spherical cool but not very likely since the swords hit at a certain angle and they stand there, so conclusion there is something magical that makes that effect and I think it is from the fire dudes sword.

The master sword is the bane of evil isnt that enough, okay I will see where I can find it, uhh you really havent played a single Zelda game hvae you XD

here is one it doesnt really show the potencial that good but anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4X0TdRS8AA

also ganon has the triforce of power given to him by the gods, he hasnt oficially died in any zelda game so far. He has been sealed away, left on o field standing not moving with the master sword inside him, turned to stone etc any cliche ending you can think of but never dead.

I will try to find some other movie from like OoT or something

Originally posted by lootic
yes I know that about power but the thing is that people that says power when they should say force also mix up the two and thinks in some really unlogical ways.

btw I got the second vid to work and tried to edit my post but it said something about that i wasnt allowed to. *confused*
EDIT: okay now I could see the second swordclash and it really looks like it is the sword(the fire one) that does it and not the force of the actual clash. Cause at first there is very little shiny cool effect, then after a while he turns on the sword and suddenly there is sparks all over the place and when they clash he did something more with his sword to enhance it that created the actual effect, also the effect was really spherical cool but not very likely since the swords hit at a certain angle and they stand there, so conclusion there is something magical that makes that effect and I think it is from the fire dudes sword.

The master sword is the bane of evil isnt that enough, okay I will see where I can find it, uhh you really havent played a single Zelda game hvae you XD

here is one it doesnt really show the potencial that good but anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4X0TdRS8AA

also ganon has the triforce of power given to him by the gods, he hasnt oficially died in any zelda game so far. He has been sealed away, left on o field standing not moving with the master sword inside him, turned to stone etc any cliche ending you can think of but never dead.

I will try to find some other movie from like OoT or something

No.. Genesis rapier didn't cause the ground to crator, the ground cratored from the impact of both their swords. Genesis adds flame to his rapier, that's all, but his rapier has never been shown capable of "magic". Which he uses afterwards mixing it with ice to break things. Sparks always fly when Sephiroth clashes his sword with others.

So yeah, there is nothing "magical" about Genesis rapier. The sphere of power was due to both there swords clashing. Just as the concrete ground being cratored due to Sephiroth striking the barrier.

So in real physics, how much power/force is needed to achieve that?

Also just the sword being the "bane of evil" does not mean it makes Link invulnerable to anything evil. As shown he is still able to be harmed by evil things.

I don't care what Ganons feats are, the point is, he is evil and can still harm Link, so just because the sword has the title: "bane of evil" does not literally mean it makes the wielder invulerable to anything evil.

Lol strawman fallacy. We already explained how it works, why would it stop punches and swordings? [the things Ganon is forced to use to harm Link.]

In other news, I have an idea, Terry.

You're not gonna stop repeating yourself and building strawmen, so, here's the deal.. I'll explain why this doesn't actually matter.. o_O

Since Seph can't actually hurt Link anyway, with or without the NL, and would be unable to keep Link from using his arms, only levitate him to stop him moving or throw him around, Link can get TK'd, and throw something at Sephiroth, insta-killing him. 😆