Originally posted by Nemesis XLol, that's only true because an apple would burn up in the atmosphere.. A small stone, though, maybe Link crushes up his hylian sheild, or throws the head of a light arrow. [Lolgame, Seph+lightarrow=epiclulz]
Sephiroth cannot get killed by an apple. That's completely idiotic.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
your logic fails, it's hard to dent somethign that's easier to move than to dent, because it will just move. Also, More often than not, such effects are caused by non-physical energy sources or are simple inconsistencies to make things look badass because they can. Eitherway, post the video for me. And no, go read his post again, same post, after he remarks on that sarcasticly, he tells you Seph being as strong as Link is a baseless claim. I can get Lootic in here when he wakes up, if you want. 😱
The facts are simply that Sephiroth has no way of hurting Link, and Link only needs to throw an apple at him to kill Seph.. did you read the thread? This is utter spite, Link wins 20/10. [/B]
Because I have posted the video in this thread already? But you haven't posted it? And if you're talking gameplay, then I can say Sephiroth takes hundreds of slashes from Cloud which casually slices columns of skyscrapers easier then a hot knife through butter. And that Sephiroth takes huge bahamut deathrays from outer space.
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Originally posted by XanatosForeverLink's Feats
strength:
As to strength, Let me math.. He lifted a stone pillar resmebling black granite closest (a VERY heavy stone known for being retardedly heavy.)
granit article v
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rmr/definition.htmlan old reference says an "average" granite has a density of about 166.5 lb. per cubic foot, or about 2.6 times what the same volume of water would weigh. If its what commercial stone dealers call a "black granite" the density would likely be much higher."
K, working with only what we can SEE in this image, let's assume conservatively that Link is slightly above average height, around 6'2" or more seems reasonable, so we'll go with six. this rock is aprox 12208.32 cubic feet in volume. (JUST the visible part in the pic, not including the top half.) Now, if that means the average weight of white granite is 166.5 lbs per cubic foot... *math* 2032685.28 Lbs. That's the weight of JUST the visible portion of the pillar if we assume Link is 6' and the stone is light granite as opposed to black granite.
If a ton is 2000 lbs thats 1016.3 tons. and he THROWS IT.
Now I have to find something on black granite because that's the stone the pillars in OoT closest resemble.
BLACK GRANITE!"Cambrian Black granite
Absorption by weight: 0.101%
Density: 179 pounds/cubic foot
(2,874 kg/cu.m)
Compressive strength: 22,122 psi (153 Mpa)
Modulus of rupture: 1,868 psi (12.92 Mpa)"
http://www.stoneworld.com/Articles/...000f932a8c0____ <--article.
Math time. 12208.32 (volume in cubic feet) x 179 (lbs per cubic foot) = 2185289.28 lbs. Just the visible portion. Link. Is. Amazing.. I didn't expect it to be THAT heavy.. wtf.. 1096.64 tons. .
Yea and he throws it, funny isnt it, he hasnt shown the maximum he can lift, Ive heard sephiroth hasnt either, anyway I can call for a tie at this one, even though I think link has shown more feats of his strength than your sephiroth
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Originally posted by XanatosForeverLink like many others who are brought up has his own multiple forms to be able to shape shift and his strength as Goron Link is able to take down a Mechanical-Organic giant, super bull with his body alone. Not to mention the giant slabs he is able to punch away with ease while in the dungeon.
yahuzz link is super versatile, he has many forms and Items, we havent gone through them all yet. XD
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Originally posted by XanatosForever
endurance:Link surviving an explosion he took a point blank radius while still inside the Moon, that eventually disintegrated it (this scene is done in slow motion, rainbow is there for happy ending effects) Now 'Dawn of A New Day' is easily translated into only a few minutes time since with the Moon destroyed the Day would be immediate.
Link fell from that height of the Moon after surviving the explosion and the only counter argument to that has been there is no crater where he landed. Well last I checked if a humanoid is dropped from any height, extreme or not, there is no crater of impact because they are not heavy in weight. The explosion radius is clearly contained with in the Moon and so inertia kicks in and is canceled. So force of impact is all with in that moment of explosion, then Link would simply drop from the point there after.
example: suicide victims of 9/11 did not create craters and fell from greater heights.another one is that as young Link, by only using the Hylian Shield on his back while crouching alone can withstand the pressure and weight of the King Dodongo. That is only his young body with out fully being physically developed it both situations.
Also I have posted a nice equation a bit earlier:
For links durability I have another little example which I posted earlier in link vs dante(remember link dont gets hurt by this at all):
lol did some counting on when TP link is sent away by the cannon to the city in the sky
watch this vid for understanding what it is about
okay so the height of the city in the sky is about 5000 meters, I assume that cause it is above the thick clouds which end at this height, I guess that link weighs about 100 kilograms, He has some serious muscle mass and a heavy gear to move around(its also a nice number to count with XD). i guess the gravity is the same as here on Tellus(9.82) but since Im lazy I say its 10. I assume there is no air resistance(cause Im lazy XD).
okay to count how much energy link needs to get to the city in the sky I use this formula:
mgh=E
m= mass of the object in this case link
g= gravity, I said I will use 10 as number here
h= height above starting point
E= energygives
100*10*5000=5* 10^6 (LOL)
so 5 millions of joule LOL thats much
then further on I can count what speed link travels at at the beggining with this formula:
(mv^2)/2=E
m= mass
v= velocity
E=energygives:
(100*v^2)/2=5*10^6
100*v^2=10^7
v^2=10^5
v= aprox. 320 m/s which is about 1000 km/hthis is a good proof of what link can stand, remeber that there is lots of energy lost when shooting away something with something as inaccurate as cannon as(much ass XD) sound and heat also into the ground that absorbes some of the energy LOL.
link doesnt take any damage of this fligth btw
The moon destructs with link in it?theres no doubt there is a destrucion of the moon and link is certainly inside it. Well actually this is the most fun part of the whole thing cause you have said it vaporized, collapsed, disappeared and that it has no logical disappearing and thus has no energy involved, you have changed your statement everytime we have showed that it still should harm link pretty badly. So pick one that can logically leaves some type of particles(since there is a rainbow left) and this time stick with that.
I say it is burning cause it really looks like that, the colors can be explained by that diffrent materials has diffrent flame colors, and the rainbow could be the still burning particles that has becommen so light that the air is carrying the particles, the diffrent materials could have diffrent lightness which means they will be sorted so that you can se a nice rainbow this seems like the most logical to me.
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Originally posted by XanatosForeverSpeed;Agility;Reflex:
Also noted in this fight that Majora uses whip based weapons that are able to travel faster then the speed of sound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier That means those attacks from Majora break the sound barrier, which means they are faster then the speed of sound, and Link can react and dodge them accordingly. Link is faster then the speed of what it takes to break the sound barrier. And thus upon breaking it, and Link showing he can dodge them with ease proves his speed, agility and reflex all in one go. Young Link, Adult Link or any of his forms would all be capable of this respectively.
and then we also have zant which TP link handles with ease, I have cleared the game with 3 lives(which means no extra heart containers) btw so this guy sucks.
as you see zant uses confusion tactics, insta teleportation and can levitate, I won against him only loosing one heart(I lost it when he started his teleportation spinning), but it is possible to win against him without loosing a single, no problem, btw those balls he is shooting is the same magic midna uses(midna is the imp that aids link in this game)
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lootic, Link has no feats of being smarter then Sephiroth, thats baseless claims.
exactly my point. this is what your sephiroth being stronger than link statement is, cause there is no proof of sphiroth being stronger than link.
sword that repels evil?
the master sword repels evil magic and cursescutscene that cures link from curse starts at 0:35
ganon uses dark magic against link at 1:15 and some serious quick spinning at 2:26 yea thats right HoT link can use his magical spinattack all the time if he wants to(thats how I used to combat in OoT and MM)
btw didnt you wanted the debate to have a nicer tone or was it only that my namecalling beated yours that made you go to peach and report me. Not that Im against the rules, I really think the rules and mods here is pretty good and you did the right thing to report me violating the rules, its just that you didnt really stop your flaming, lol
moon, links ability to dodge a teleporting opponent(he has done that in almost all zelda games), durability strrength everything is there, try read it(click the link(no pun intended) which says "post" at the top of the quote). also being shot out of a canon is a VERY legit feat since the forces WITHOUT the wind is enough to faint a normal person, and why would the hi speed aeroplanes need special desining to stand those speeds LOLLOLLOLLOL?
@terry: sorry but you fail to understand, just as shin said. :/
Why do you keep copying and pasting the same junk over and over again? Can you stop please?
Moon what? "moon" isn't a feat. He fought a person who teleports, for all we know in the real fight Zant hit him a lot with it. Also, Zant is not as fast as Sephiroth, not even close.
Smashing through many thick concrete walls > being shot out of a canon.
Originally posted by Ultimate WilI've been quoting my own posts so you can read them again, for one.
Can you think of any way Link wins?
but yeah, one way Link wins is throwing .. well anything at Sephiroth. Or stabbing Sephiroth once, or ripping him limb from limb. Sephiroth can't do anything to Link, he's too durable.
@Terry, then I'd get to claim Seph stands still and waits his turn while Link one shots him. 😆
Edit: Also, if I'm the one who's obsessed, why are you guys claiming Sephiroth wins when all the evidence points to Link winning? Exactly.
A, even if Seph were anywhere close to as strong as Link, he's nowehre near as durable.
then don't try to claim the good, so I don't have to highlight the bad. =]
Lolfaildenialcopout. All the evidence points to Link winning. He's stronger, more durable, and Seph is probably faster, but even so you have no evidence of just how fast he is, and we go by feats here. [And I'm gracious enough to roudn all of Link's feats down.] Calling my *factual* Link imaginary cause you can't stand how much of a stomp-fest this is?
Link isn't as durable as you make him out to be, moon explosion was a fake, the only reason is was capable of lifting that much weight was because of the golden gauntlets, you tried to use real life physics for a magical item. Link gets harmed from things far less.
Then don't use gameplay as durability feats, then i won't use gameplay as durability feats. Characters have a game mechanic called HP.
Seph "probably" faster? HAHA. See even something so blatantly obvious, you have trouble admitting to. Sephiroth is many many folds faster then Link. I posted a video of Sephiroths movement speed in AC. Stop ignoring my posts plz. You're gracious enough to round Links FAKE feats down.
Moon explosion was a fake, dodging the speed of sound was a fake, invulnerable to "anything evil" was a fake.
Your claim of Links body being invulnerable because able to lift the rock pillars isn't a fact, he used the golden gauntlets. For all we know the golden gauntlets absorbs all the pressure into the gloves allowing him to lift whatever he wants.
you make me laugh, I think I'll keep you as a pet.
Even if the moon feat were "fake" [lol] he doesn't even need that feat, he's proven to take hits from a being even stronger than himself, with swords, and survive. =] This is canon, what you're referring to is the lower end gameplay mechanics to kep the game from being boring. It wouldn't sell if you could just ignore everythign that wasn't a boss.
Dodging the whip crack is a legit feat, if you think it's anythign otherwise you're delusional.
Yes, probably, I don't have to admit anything here because we go by feats, and in four games and two movies, Seph has squat other than fighting other characters who move slower than the things they dodge to begin with.
I never said "invulnerable to anythign evil"<--That is your own personal strawman. Strawman fallacies=fail. And this is liek the millionth one you've made in less than forty pages, well played.
Lol, wait, wait, so your rediculous theory that the gauntlets somehow hover in the air, and just sort of keep Link's hands inside them, a rediculous theory that makes no sense given that the CANON description is that it gives Link strength, nothing more, is somehow more valid than logic, physics, math, and exactly how that would really work? Righto, kiddo. If Link were not durable enough tosurvive it's weight he would never have been able to throw it.
Sephiroth has nothing on Link, this is also fact, unless you can somehow miraculously prove me wrong, gtfo. I'm tired of your strawmen and illogical arguments. you don't even understand the physics of being fired out of a cannon with enough force to break the sound barrier AND fly high above the clouds.
Just so we're clear, 1+1=2 no matter where you go. My math>You're silly baseless claims. that's canon to irl, kthnx.
The moon explosion is a fake feat obviously.
Cool he took hits from someone stronger then himself, great.
Umm no its not, show me him dodging a whip? You can't? Alright then it's not a feat.
Yeah and Link has how many games? Yet he hardly even gets anymore powerful, all he gets is more uber items.
Umm actually you did say that? Want me to find the quote to make you look like a fool?
Hover in the air? Huh? Its a fictional magical item, its the reason why he's capable of lifting it. Stop trying to make real life things out of magical items.
Sephiroth > Link, everyone knows this except you and your little clique. Everyone who has played Zelda knows how strong Link really is, and what can harm him.
Link isn't a juggernaut, Link is just a kid with courage and uber items.
Game facts > Your fan theories.