Sephiroth vs Link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've been quoting my own posts so you can read them again, for one.

but yeah, one way Link wins is throwing .. well anything at Sephiroth. Or stabbing Sephiroth once, or ripping him limb from limb. Sephiroth can't do anything to Link, he's too durable.

@Terry, then I'd get to claim Seph stands still and waits his turn while Link one shots him. 😆

Edit: Also, if I'm the one who's obsessed, why are you guys claiming Sephiroth wins when all the evidence points to Link winning? Exactly.

I'm going to copy you, Link can't one shot Sephiroth, period 🙂.

Originally posted by Terryc250
The moon explosion is a fake feat obviously.

Cool he took hits from someone stronger then himself, great.

Umm no its not, show me him dodging a whip? You can't? Alright then it's not a feat.

Yeah and Link has how many games? Yet he hardly even gets anymore powerful, all he gets is more uber items.

Umm actually you did say that? Want me to find the quote to make you look like a fool?

Hover in the air? Huh? Its a fictional magical item, its the reason why he's capable of lifting it. Stop trying to make real life things out of magical items.

Sephiroth > Link, everyone knows this except you and your little clique. Everyone who has played Zelda knows how strong Link really is, and what can harm him.

Link isn't a juggernaut, Link is just a kid with courage and uber items.

Game facts > Your fan theories.

1; I'm sure this comforts you somehow.

2; Yes, stronger than Link, who is so uch stronger than Seph as to be rediculous.

3; it's been shown, youre just in denial. 😐

4. Lol, Link has two, tops, per Link. you get four and two movies, which are an almost limitless medium, and yet Link's feats are still much better.

5. Lol, just like when you took what Lootic said out of context? Go ahead an quote me out of context, you'll still be wrong.

6. That's pretty much your explanation of the gauntlets, which is rediculous, the gauntlets add to his strength, making him stronger, thus he is strong. Source = moot. Stop trying to strawman things you don't want to acknowledge.

7. Everythign you say here is utter lulz. All of the evidence is on my side, my "fan theories" are backed with math. what's morel ikely to be correct? Your biased assumptions or my calculator? Exactly.

@Wil, difference is when I said it, I had proof, you don't. 😉

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@Wil, difference is when I said it, I had proof, you don't. 😉

Nothing is quick enough to hit him, Sephiroth is lightning fast, and can teleport.

Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Nothing is quick enough to hit him, Sephiroth is lightning fast, and can teleport.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1; I'm sure this comforts you somehow.

2; Yes, stronger than Link, who is so uch stronger than Seph as to be rediculous.

3; it's been shown, youre just in denial. 😐

4. Lol, Link has two, tops, per Link. you get four and two movies, which are an almost limitless medium, and yet Link's feats are still much better.

5. Lol, just like when you took what Lootic said out of context? Go ahead an quote me out of context, you'll still be wrong.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste I never said "invulnerable to anythign evil"<--That is your own personal strawman. Strawman fallacies=fail. And this is liek the millionth one you've made in less than forty pages, well played.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's immune to TK, especially from evil sources ala the mastersword's repellant aura. You did -not- read it because if you had you'd know it affects TK, curses, [b]anythign evil, is the source of 90% of Zelda PIS, and forces the enemy to defeat Link with direct force. =P [/B]

Basically you said Link has an aura that repels him from TK, Curses, ANYTHING EVIL.

6. That's pretty much your explanation of the gauntlets, which is rediculous, the gauntlets add to his strength, making him stronger, thus he is strong. Source = moot. Stop trying to strawman things you don't want to acknowledge.

Sorry but Game facts > Your theories.

7. Everythign you say here is utter lulz. All of the evidence is on my side, my "fan theories" are backed with math. what's morel ikely to be correct? Your biased assumptions or my calculator? Exactly.

Like Isaid out of context, and lol @ Seph being anywhere close to as strong as Link.

Lol, if that is the best you can really do this thread needs to die, cause I won it 38 pages ago. Gamemechanicbalancing<Canon>Your rediculous assumptions.

Math > your theories.

Sephiroth throws somethign at Link and it boucnes off, because comparitively, Sephiroth throws like a pre-teen vegetarian girl, with no arms.

No its not out of context. By repel, you mean curses, TK, "anythign evil" cannot harm him, meaning he's invulnerable to evil things. So, no its not out of context it's what you said.

You didn't win shit, you won the prize of making a fool out of yourself, that's about it.

My theories? I don't make any theories, that's you. And Game Facts > your theories, sorry but its true.

Too bad Link isn't physically invunerable, Sephiroth kills him anyway he wants to.

Originally posted by Voyeur
READ THIS TERRY, moon feat fake? gtfo scrub

Originally posted by Terryc250
No its not out of context. By repel, you mean curses, TK, "anythign evil" cannot harm him, meaning he's invulnerable to evil things. So, no its not out of context it's what you said.

You didn't win shit, you won the prize of making a fool out of yourself, that's about it.

My theories? I don't make any theories, that's you. And Game Facts > your theories, sorry but its true.

Too bad Link isn't physically invunerable, Sephiroth kills him anyway he wants to.

I won this thread ages ago.

Your theories. They're flawed, math > your silly opinions, and canon > your opinions, too.

Link doesn't need to be physicly invulnerable to be beyond Sephiroth.

No, those gauntlets don't make him more durable they make him stronger, his skin is still the same toughness. Durability has nothing to do with Strength especially when magic is involved (Golden Gauntlets) game canon says that the Golden Gauntlets give him god like strength nothing more, please stick to facts and don't try and use any real world math on a fictional game that uses magic. Your math or anyones(except the programmers) math doesn't apply to these games sorry. This is the fact: Golden Gauntlets is a magical item that magicaly increases Links strength to be on par with a god.

Link cannot fly, even if he could throw something at Sephiroth he would have to pick it up, teleport, slice and dead.

you're right k1ll3r, the math doesn't apply to these games. It applies to thinking outside the confine of the game and going beyond. Evolving past a "in the box" style of thinking. Stop being so damn linear. I think the fact Scream even bothers trying to use such shade of gray thinking by going past the aspects of a game, and using physics, science, and math, to school you guys is a real feat in its own, because god knows you kids don't know what the hell he's spewing out. What is wrong with showing the realities of what Link is capable of? and developer, programs and coding, those numbers don't mean shit in these debates.

When has Sephiroth ever teleported? Honestly, is there a video or canon quote, proof, facts, cut scene from a game, where he literally teleports? I admit, he is fast. He moves and leaps around with, ease, I have never seen him transcend from disassembling his physical atoms and rearranging them else where, with out the use of having to travel the actual distance from one point to another.

Teleportation usually inquires a energy signature as well, upon the start up and ending actions of the teleport. (i.e. Night Crawler has smoke, Tetsuo has red "electricity", Dr. Manhattan creates a blue surge, etc. etc.) Teleporting is bending space and time and affects the surrounding area when one disappears and reappears. I believe from what I have seen of Sephiroth he merely just moves and travels the distance at speeds not visible to the naked HUMAN eye, fast, but not as instant as teleportation.

by the by, the negative life stream seems to only affect nature and life of a planet, which Sephiroth himself says in the movie. It has no affect on humans. It has never shown feats of it being able to. The only thing other then that is a side effect of the sickness, that doesn't seem to befall anyone except the children since they have weak immunities. It'd take an (X) amount of time to affect a fully, healthy and matured adult.

any who...

side note: there are different ways to teleport as well. Based on how Sephiroth teleports, IF HE CAN, assuming you provide quotes and canon proof stating he's capable of it, then I can help you figure out the speed he is traveling during his teleport momentum. But let me state, teleporation in means of speed of the warp, is not the same as when one starts it or ends it. Those are initial and ending speeds with their own lag. It takes time. Almost all my favorite characters teleport, there's different levels to it in means of speed, travel, energy signature and so forth. It's not "lolBlinkstep".

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it is out of context, and I was in a rush when I made the post. The REST of my posts, which you ignore, keep it in context.

I won this thread ages ago.

Your theories. They're flawed, math > your silly opinions, and canon > your opinions, too.

Link doesn't need to be physicly invulnerable to be beyond Sephiroth.

You still said what you said. So you take it back now? K.

You won nothin, you already lost credibility the first time you said Link > Sephiroth. And you made yourself look stupid by posting these fake feats about Link.

No, Game Facts > everything. Because you know, we're talking about the game characters.

@ voyeur

FF7 Sephiroth teleports into the temple of ancients instantly, 8:05
YouTube video

Sephiroth when he was still part human in crisis core, 5:25
YouTube video

Crisis core was his weakest form because he was still part human, then FF7 is his second most powerful form, then AC was stated he reached a new height in power and the newest evolution of jenova.

He has super speed along with teleportation.

No, the lifestream is the source of everything, power, energy, magic, life. It helped disintegrate meteor when meteor was going to destroy the planet, people who were exposed to it died instantly and were infected by geostigma (because jenova-cells had started tainted the lifestream by then), Sephiroths first human body was destroyed when he jumped in the lifestream as well. The lifestream can physically destroy things, Sephiroths sword is even made out of the negative lifestream.

You cannot put maths on magic in a fictional game, its stupid to try. Sure using maths where it seems as if the game uses real world physics and maths is fine but using it to justify how a magical gauntlet works?

He teleported in a scripted event in the first game. I admit they were lesser 'clones' of him with Jenova cells (he was controlling them) however he is Jenova.

You are wrong, the negative lifestream is exactly the same as the lifestream just jenova cells have corrupted it and Sephiroth is in control of it, much like Aeris was in control of the lifestream and stopped meteor and holy from destroying the world. Cloud even while being protected by one in control of the lifestream became a vegetable when he came in contact with it, Sephiroths original body disintergrated when he was thrown into the lifestream (later reforming at the north crater).

The geostigma was from the body being infected with jenova cells and the planet (and thier bodies) where fighting against them and that caused the sickness.

first vid = teleporation

second vid = moving at extremely fast speeds.

difference? Energy signature and the phasing. Which makes sense, since you said he's weaker in the second video. But he can teleport. And he teleports at the speed of light. And so yes, lets go based off of Advent Children. I remember only one scene where Sephiroth may of appeared to teleport to be above cloud along the skyscraper, but he merely could of jump very high and at an extreme speed.

Which in fact appears to what he is doing in the first and second videos, you see that 'leap' animation. He must have to game some momentum first to add to the starting velocity. Which proves he was moving at very fast speeds in the second video, and the other times after the first initial teleport in the first, were examples of that leap + speed.

So there you have it, the fastest he can travel during speeds of teleportation is the speed of Light. That is excluding how long it was taking him to start up his teleport and end it. (which looks like it takes him a while) he seems to be better off just moving at his faster speeds, instead of having to waste signature energy on reassembling his particles via light. Also it's evident that Sephiroth's teleportation show no feats of distance. He seems to have a very limited construct of where to travel. So earlier, you said he could teleport to hawaii? Sorry mate, that is bs based on what is shown here. Sephiroth can teleport. He can teleport during travel speeds of the speed of light. He is restricted and very limited in means of distance he can travel as via the videos and canon. He is also fast other wise and can phase from attacks that are slower then that speed. He seems to like the phase around at that speed, just like his teleportation. Nothing is really used in terms of travel. Just quick escapes of reaction time.

@ k1ll3r: what magic genius? the physical strength feat of the empowered Golden Gauntlets of what it would take to lift and throw the volume based pillar? yeah, sorry, it is a strength feat that is physical that can be shown with math and physics. We're not talking about oogie boogie bull shit like the energy per square centimeter of a magical blast.

and alright, so everything links back to the Jenova cells. Still it is pretty null and void to have an effect on Link in any real quick or harmful way.

*sigh* Yes, but basically ScreamPaste is saying that the way in which the way Gauntlets gives him the strength is through actually changing his muscles and durability instead of just magically granting him the strength. Is it really physical strength or is it the magical strength of the gauntlets?

We ARE talking about oogie boogie bull like some item granting someone who wears them the strength of the god.

When do you seem him start up his teleportation? I thought it was when he teleported, do you think the animations of him moving while talking before he teleports is him starting his teleportation? But he is teleporting something not apart of him from miles and miles away at the north crater and it only contains some Jenova cells.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
*sigh* Yes, but basically ScreamPaste is saying that the way in which the way Gauntlets gives him the strength is through actually changing his muscles and durability instead of just magically granting him the strength. Is it really physical strength or is it the magical strength of the gauntlets?

The source of the strength is moot, strength doesn't mean durability, this is true, I'm not claiming the gauntlets make him more durable. What I AM saying is HE HAS to be durable to lift those, that it his own durability, when he throws a 1000+ ton stone and doesn't get crushed into past,e it's because he's durable. I'll respond to the rest of the posts above later on.

So you are saying that even without the gauntlets his durability is that great?

So if one of those pillars fell on him he would survive but he just wouldn't be able to lift it?

(I didn't quote you I paraphrased my understanding of what you said)

@ voyeur

That "leaping" animation isn't exactly a leaping animation. Its like no different then dante's teleportation. Dante does the exact same kind of animation and his was stated to be teleportation. If you watch it slowly you can see his physical body dematerialize, then materialize. Fast movement speed doesn't show a body dematerialize.

In the first FF7 video, you cannot say he's restricted to where he can go. We don't know where Sephiroth is but clearly he wasn't in the room which is why Cloud said "Where are you Sephiroth?" then he instantly teleports inside the room.

And about the AC fight, Sephiroth didn't use any of his abilities in that fight, except for TK'ing the top of the building on Cloud. There was this one time he did a burst of speed which I posted in this thread earlier, but other then that, he didn't even reach his remnant Loz's speed when they were actually fighting sword to sword.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
So you are saying that even without the gauntlets his durability is that great?

So if one of those pillars fell on him he would survive but he just wouldn't be able to lift it?

(I didn't quote you I paraphrased my understanding of what you said)

Golden Gauntlets =/= Magic.

They're an item. (what they're powered by or what they exactly do to allow Link to be stronger isn't certain. I'm guessing it's like an extreme juiced based steroid like thing that multiply and amplifies Link's already endowed strength.)

And no, when the hell did I say that? I'm said pretty specifically that with the Golden Gauntlets, that PHYSICAL FEAT of strength stands. When did you pull these magical sentences out of your ass about pillars falling on Link? I'm guessing if he had the golden gauntlets on and that type of pillar was falling on him he'd be able to brace it and catch it, then toss it. But not with out the Gauntlets, which are canon and apart of the debate and an item Link has on.

@Terry: none the less it would stand that Sephiroth's capable of reaching the speed of Light specifically. In terms of during the travel distance time of teleportation. You guys want to make up new things about teleportation, that is fine. I'm just getting the case across, he can reach speeds of 299,792,458 m/s (about 186,282.397 miles per second). AKA Speed of Light.

And lets have some common sense here. In order for Sephiroth to audibly hear Cloud say, "Where are you Sephiroth?" and then teleport instantly to the room upon reaction to hearing that, he would of had to of been with in the boundries of that yell for the sound to travel. So some where around the temple outside, or near it, or what not. None the less, nothing shows Sephiroth is capable of teleporting distances that you're claiming. He can teleport, he is very fast other wise, and he can reach the speed of Light during his moments of travel of the teleport. He isn't shown or able to go long distances, he merely is shown during short travel distances. He can react to speeds slower then the speed of light, and then phase from them.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
So you are saying that even without the gauntlets his durability is that great?

So if one of those pillars fell on him he would survive but he just wouldn't be able to lift it?

(I didn't quote you I paraphrased my understanding of what you said)

1 Yes

1 Correct.

3 Fair.