@ Voyeur - No, not ALL teleportation works that way. It's that simple. I bring in Time travelling because its the exact same analogy. In science, you can only open up a wormhole and travel to either the future, but to travel to the past you can only travel to when the wormhole is first opened. Does that mean ALL time travelling works in that method? No. It's no different from teleportation. Teleportation is simply what its defined as, dissappear and reappear at a different location. Time travelling is simply travelling through the past and present. Whether they do it in a complete impossible (scientific wise) way, or they do it in a scientific way, it doesn't matter. Not everything in fiction has to be scientifically possible, infact MOST fictional things aren't scientifically possible, and that's what you need to understand.
No, Sephiroth teleports. Why do you think Square gives him that ability in every single game, even the non-canon ones? How else can he teleport into a room? Easy, because he teleports.
It doesn't matter what fairies represent, they don't have powerful feats, or anything to suggest theyre powerful and can withstand things. If a fairy withstood that, Sephiroth sure as hell would withstand it and be behind Ganon in a split second.
No, you are not one to define how magical things work, science isn't one to define how magical things work, the only people who can define that are the 'god' of their respective universe, the game developers, script writers, etc.
Also Cloud could get ran over by a huge stone, and it does no damage to his body either, that makes Clouds durability huge as well. Yet, Sephiroth sword cut into his skin like nothing
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@ ScreamPaste -
Why would I need to "debunk" speculation? It's speculation and nothing more.
That's great, it still goes back to my negative lifestream analogy and remnants.
See thats the problem here, it didn't show him actually doing it. FOr all we know he had to prepare and needed time to do it. THere is no proof he can do it anyplace, anytime, he wants.
Where is Ganons strength feats? Sephiroth is just as strong if not stronger then Link, remember the power force feat? Yeah Sephiroth does it under his own strength, unlike Link.
Show me Link taking sword hits, i bet you're going to use gameplay. I don't have a "fanboy clique". Unlike you, i don't talk to anyone on these forums outside of these forums. The people who post here agree'ing that Sephiroth rapestomps Link are simply randoms. Pretty much the only people who vote for Link are either your little clique, or avid anti-Sephiroths who would say even solid snake, and dan would beat Sephiroth.
I don't even know why you're denying it, I dont know kiler, will, or facist, or TGE. You guys have made it clear that you guys are like like fan buddies.
That's great, Navi is just a fairy with no powerful feats, and yet she wasn't sucked into that void or whatever. Sephiroth being sucked is just ridiculous. He'll be behind Ganon before Ganon even raises his arm.
To all the people who say they're sick of this thread, can't you simply ignore it?
Actually its quite clear Link has won this. I've seen many of Terrys posts just deny what Link supporters say, and restate whatever he said before.
I don't think the Link evidence is speculation. Its more like...common sense is the best phrase I can thank of for it, but that just makes me sound like a jerk...
Sephiroth cannot harm Ganon either. The Master Sword is the only thing that can.
Lol funny, how this guy just signed up a couple days ago and made posts only in this thread supporting link, hmm.
And no, it really is speculation. It's basically saying "perhaps this is possible because of this" with no real evidence of it actually being a fact.
That's only if Ganon gets an artifact to help him.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sephiroth already won this, this thread has been over for a while.
what is up with the harassment on here I'm sick of it -.-
well I'd like to point out. I don't care WHO you guys THINK wins, because I know who is smarter :]
and hey, news flash. TELEPORTATION IS from SCIENCE FICTION. It's called SCIENCE fiction for a reason. Wanna take a wild stab at it?
I'm really fed up with this, you're in a clique/group. you're all socks business. I already warned you and so has Peach Terry.
You also didn't catch the part, Ganon slices Link, and he is not cut. Iron knuckles weild giant sharp bladed axes, and don't pierce Link's skin. And I won't go into a debate about this, because from your statement you obviously did not read my proofs/facts. Fairies in the LoZ universe, dwell over life. They have feats. Sephiroth can not bring people back to life, nor can he bestow divine magic from the goddesses onto people, permanently increase some one's life or heal and replenish life & 'magic'. So please. No.
Any way. Agreed. Close the thread.
Terry will never give up. He just keeps accusing us of being socks or a clique and it's really asinine and I'm fed up with it to be quite honest. He never reads anything. It lieterally took him 29 pages to realize I was saying the pocket universe blew up and and contained an energy based explosion from Light and I didn't talk about the moon at all except it evaporated as an end result due to thermal evaporation.
None the less. Allsmay ainsbray allway oundray.
Voyeur, there's teleportation is "fiction" not EVERYTHING is "science fiction". Sci-fi films and games, sure there could be a scientific method of teleportation, time travel, etc. FICTIONAL games, where magic is involved, does NOT fall under the same category as sci-fi.
Ganon does that all in gameplay, Cloud slices Sephiroth a billion times in gameplay, it doesn't matter. You're saying fairies can bring people back to life? Even if they could that's not a feat that proves they're physically powerful. Movement speed, willpower, etc, will most likely make Sephiroth not even flinch to that dark wave.
Because you were going on about Link tanking a "moon explosion" so that's what I thought you were pushing for. I read that stuff about Link tanking a universal explosion, but i didn't actually believe that you are trying to prove that, because that's just ridiculous.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
[QUOTE=11716133]Originally posted by Terryc250
Lol funny, how this guy just signed up a couple days ago and made posts only in this thread supporting link, hmm.
I WAS saving this, but meh..
ScreamPaste wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 11:59 PM:
Alright, the first thing you should know, is I do alot of down-rounding in these numbers specificly so that if I screw up, I err on the pesimistic side, thus these are not exagerated fanboy numbers, at all.
Alright, we'll begin with the granite rock. [Mathed as white granite, lighter than black.]
Let me be clear, this is me being VERY conservative and working with rounded numbers. [rounded DOWN to the nearest million in the case of mass in pounds.]
If the stone Link threw in the original feat moved approx 225 metres [nice down rounded estimate] horizontally [I'm not bothering to math the high arc, screw that. If I -did- I'd get an even larger number, so this is more down-rounding.]
and 2 million pounds is 907184.739 kilos, and it was in the air approx 3 seconds, [thus moving at an easily mathed 75 m/s]
K=1/2mv^2
M= 907184.73999
V= 75
this means K [kinetic energy] = 2551457081.25 joule.
^Link is capable of generating an extremely high level of joulage with his muscles, and that is not his peak possible throw, but as his best feat, we round it down to be on the safe side.
Now that we know how much energy he can produce, roughly, we can apply that energy to a simple equasion for throwing somethign of the same density as the granite.
Now, just for purposes of being conservative, rather than put in the realisitc weight of something like his sheild, we'll put in.. 100 lbs? K. Watch.
K = 2551457081.25 joules
m = 100 pounds = 45.359237 kilograms
Thus:
velocity (v) = 10606.6017178 meter/second
velocity (v) = 3818376618.52 centimeter/hour
velocity (v) = 1060660.17178 centimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3006595762.52 foot/day
velocity (v) = 34798.5620663 foot/second
velocity (v) = 1503297881.26 inch/hour
velocity (v) = 417582.744795 inch/second
velocity (v) = 10.6066017178 kilometer/second
velocity (v) = 20617.5843505 knot
velocity (v) = 31.1683858883 mach sea level 15 C
velocity (v) = 916410388.416 meter/day
velocity (v) = 23726.2923179 mile/hour
velocity (v) = 6.59063675498 mile/second
velocity (v) = 10606601.7178 millimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3.53798150513E-05 speed of light in vacuum
velocity (v) = 11599.5206888 yard/second
Terry. You can't even give me the genre for what your game is in even though it is in the title.
And regardless. Teleportation is from Science Fiction. That's where it was first used in line of works, that is the category it follows under. So, even if it is in fantasy and RPG's, it's still a science fiction based idea and it just simply is put into that universe. Same as when magic appears in Sci-Fi stuff. That magic doesn't become science fiction. It is still fantasy based lore, i.e. Sword in the stone and such.
A fairy bringing some one back to life is not a physical feat -.- And yes, in the LoZ universe, Fairies can revive people back from death. That's fact. But oh well
velocity (v) = 3.53798150513E-05 speed of light in vacuum
that's roughly 3 x the speed of light. You should of accepted my friendly offer when I said Sephiroth can teleport. Now you have no proof.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
It has a speed of "ignition" so to speak.Not true, you are talking about the archaic form of teleportation, the dematerializing and movement from one space to the other.
imo he never teleports then. He just shines and glows and goes really fast. How does he go into a room and then leave? he glows and moves really fast. Show me a quote from the game where they say "Sephiroth teleported." Until then, he only moves fast. And, I said only during teleport he can go speed of light. Now, you have nothing.
3.5 x the speed of light, coming at Seph. He won't see it. you have N O proof he can react to something that fast. And he has no feats or proof showing he can move that fast. Besides the word "instant" which from the videos you showed of him, you can still see him moving. Teleportation only looks instant and fast because the teleporter is at sub-atomic particle level. (during that time he'd be intangible, but only go speed of light)
Terry. I advise you accept my generosity that Sephiroth can teleport before I make the burden of proof fall back on you. None the less, there's no way in hell he's dodging an object moving 3+ times the speed of light. Kek.
And before you say that math is BS? Scream was debunked by 2 other people before they finally made him realize how the math really works and then they finalized it. It's 100% fact. Pretty impressive.
@ ScreamPaste -
I don't care what the Golden Gauntlets have lifted, because that doesn't mean Link has the durability. It's the "GOLDEN GAUNTLETS" that makes it possible for Link to lift. Lifting requires the entire body to lift, if the golden gauntlets gave him strength throughout his entire body, then he would have had a dramatic physical boost, in which his physical body did not change at all with the GG. Therefore the only explanation is that the GG takes in all the pressure allowing Link to have the strength to lift everything.
@voyeur
It's a fantasy game, where magic is induced. Where magic is involved it means that it has to relation to science. If you're going to say "teleportation" has to work one way, then you have to say that "time travelling" works in the scientific way as well. And we all know it does not. Therefore its the same with teleportation.
How else can you magically appear inside a room when you were not in the room in the first place? Common sense tells us he teleported. "Moving fast" does not allow you to appear inside a room out of no where. Unless he phased through walls. And Sephiroths teleportation was basically instant.
Originally posted by Terryc250
@ ScreamPaste -I don't care what the Golden Gauntlets have lifted, because that doesn't mean Link has the durability. It's the "GOLDEN GAUNTLETS" that makes it possible for Link to lift. Lifting requires the entire body to lift, if the golden gauntlets gave him strength throughout his entire body, then he would have had a dramatic physical boost, in which his physical body did not change at all with the GG. Therefore the only explanation is that the GG takes in all the pressure allowing Link to have the strength to lift everything.
I've debunked this a hundred times, it's in the canon that they make him stronger, coding a dramatic strength boost would have broken Zelda's puzzle-based game play.
With that said, Link wins this too easily for this thread to remain open. It's spite.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've debunked this a hundred times, it's in the canon that they make him stronger, coding a dramatic strength boost would have broken Zelda's puzzle-based game play.With that said, Link wins this too easily for this thread to remain open. It's spite.