Sephiroth vs Link

Started by K1ll3r104 pages

"You found the Golden Gauntlets! You can feel even more power coursing through your arms! Grab with (A) and lift stuff up!"
— In-game description

When worn, they grant Link God-like strength, allowing him to not only lift rock pillars which, based on their appearance, easily weigh several tons, but hurl two of them a great distance and shatter the third.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Gauntlets

Yes Terry is right, he couldn't move fast through a wall, it would explode. He would have had to teleport, whether that was from the morphing to particles and moving at the speed of light or just existing at one point and then existing at another point.

Screampaste, fine not as fast as the speed of light but faster than Link?
Also, before Weiss infuses with the lifestream Omega has absorbed Sephiroth is better then him, he still might be eqaul to him when he does and that is without the Negative Lifestream.

There are multiple ways to gain power and abilities in FFVII, two of these are, JENOVA cells and raw Mako infusion (condensed lifestream) SOLDIERS get both, except Sephiroth has a perfect melding with JENOVA cells making him the best (better then Weiss without most of the lifestream imbued within him).

Since the Negative Lifestream is just the Lifestream under Sephiroths control it only makes sense that he can imbue himself with it becoming better then Weiss Empowered.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
"You found the Golden Gauntlets! You can feel even more power coursing through your arms! Grab with (A) and lift stuff up!"
— In-game description

When worn, they grant Link God-like strength, allowing him to not only lift rock pillars which, based on their appearance, easily weigh several tons, but hurl two of them a great distance and shatter the third.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Gauntlets

Thanks. Now that we've established that it is infact strength, and you've found the only description with the term 'arms' used, explain how his legs don't buckle? [Also, this is simply what comes up when you put your cursor over the gauntlets, it's explaining how they work in gameplay, lol.]

Unless his legs are that strong without the gauntlets, the gauntlets make them stronger too. Just because that description mentions his arms doesn't mean it doesn't strengthen the rest of him. If you're wearing a shirt and pants, and I say nice shirt, you are not naked from the waist down.

Link's legs, regardless of the source, are obviously strong enough to support the force of launching a 1000+ ton [really it's closer to 1300] stone. Terry's trying to argue against this, which btw, is CANON, with Zelda's gameplay mechanics. The engine wouldn't support Link jumping across entire dungeons and smashing through doors, [which would also break gameplay] and furthermore, even if it were a viable way to play the game, there was no space left on the cartridge.

Even if Link's arms were the only part of him with god like strength, he'd still win this with ease because this ends as soon as he pulls something out of his pocket and chucks it at Sepgiroth, this is a spite thread. Go back a page and look at the math.

Furthermore; Omega Wiess =/= Sephiroth
LS =/= NL

Sephiroth's never shown that ability. As for "faster than Link", Link can slow time, canon fact, and Seph, no matter how fast he moves, will never outrun the comet Link throws at him. at 10.6 Km/s it's moving atleast 11x faster than anything Sephiroth has ever shown the ability to dodge/react to. And that's if it weighs 100 lbs, and we round Link's strength down ALOT. K? With more realistic numbers factoring in the full weight of the rock, the full distance and arc of the throw, [and thus the higher speed it moved at] and the realistic weight of something like a steel sheild, it easily breaks 300 machs. I've personally mathed this atleast ten seperate times. Sephiroth gets one-shotted ftw. 😱

So, realisticly, this is spite incarnate. Link is pretty much designed to destroy someone like Sephiroth.

Everybody ignore ScreamPaste.He knows nothing about Sephiroth, and a lot about Link. Sephiroth is all out stronger than Link, it's a fact, spite thread, the end.

@ ScreamPaste

His legs don't buckle because the golden gauntlets(his arms) does the lifting, not Links body. As i said earlier, lifting requires you to use your entire body, so if GG granted his entire body strength Link would have attained dramatic physical boost throughout his entire body in which he did not. As the statement even says it only granted power through his "arms" which proves my point that the GG does all the lifting, not Links entire body.

By the time Link even reaches for something he would have a sword through his head.

Link has to play a freakin song before he can slow down time.

And what do you mean the lifestream isnt the negative lifestream? Take away Sephiroth influence, and the negative lifestream is just lifestream. If anything the negative lifestream is stronger then the regular lifestream. We've seen what j-cells have done to things, it amps up their power many folds over.

Again, Link would be killed before he can even reach for something.

Spite indeed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Thanks. Now that we've established that it is infact [b]strength, and you've found the only description with the term 'arms' used, explain how his legs don't buckle? [Also, this is simply what comes up when you put your cursor over the gauntlets, it's explaining how they work in gameplay, lol.]

Unless his legs are that strong without the gauntlets, the gauntlets make them stronger too. Just because that description mentions his arms doesn't mean it doesn't strengthen the rest of him. If you're wearing a shirt and pants, and I say nice shirt, you are not naked from the waist down.

Link's legs, regardless of the source, are obviously strong enough to support the force of launching a 1000+ ton [really it's closer to 1300] stone. Terry's trying to argue against this, which btw, is CANON, with Zelda's gameplay mechanics. The engine wouldn't support Link jumping across entire dungeons and smashing through doors, [which would also break gameplay] and furthermore, even if it were a viable way to play the game, there was no space left on the cartridge.

Even if Link's arms were the only part of him with god like strength, he'd still win this with ease because this ends as soon as he pulls something out of his pocket and chucks it at Sepgiroth, this is a spite thread. Go back a page and look at the math.

Furthermore; Omega Wiess =/= Sephiroth
LS =/= NL

Sephiroth's never shown that ability. As for "faster than Link", Link can slow time, canon fact, and Seph, no matter how fast he moves, will never outrun the comet Link throws at him. at 10.6 Km/s it's moving atleast 11x faster than anything Sephiroth has ever shown the ability to dodge/react to. And that's if it weighs 100 lbs, and we round Link's strength down ALOT. K? With more realistic numbers factoring in the full weight of the rock, the full distance and arc of the throw, [and thus the higher speed it moved at] and the realistic weight of something like a steel sheild, it easily breaks 300 machs. I've personally mathed this atleast ten seperate times. Sephiroth gets one-shotted ftw. 😱

So, realisticly, this is spite incarnate. Link is pretty much designed to destroy someone like Sephiroth. [/B]

Quoting yourself won't make you any less wrong.

Problem is I'm not wrong, I just want you to start reading my posts, it's clear that you don't, as you continually spew previously debunked theories and baseless claims.

Just for good measure..

Thanks. Now that we've established that it is infact strength, and you've found the only description with the term 'arms' used, explain how his legs don't buckle? [Also, this is simply what comes up when you put your cursor over the gauntlets, it's explaining how they work in gameplay, lol.]

Unless his legs are that strong without the gauntlets, the gauntlets make them stronger too. Just because that description mentions his arms doesn't mean it doesn't strengthen the rest of him. If you're wearing a shirt and pants, and I say nice shirt, you are not naked from the waist down.

Link's legs, regardless of the source, are obviously strong enough to support the force of launching a 1000+ ton [really it's closer to 1300] stone. Terry's trying to argue against this, which btw, is CANON, with Zelda's gameplay mechanics. The engine wouldn't support Link jumping across entire dungeons and smashing through doors, [which would also break gameplay] and furthermore, even if it were a viable way to play the game, there was no space left on the cartridge.

Even if Link's arms were the only part of him with god like strength, he'd still win this with ease because this ends as soon as he pulls something out of his pocket and chucks it at Sepgiroth, this is a spite thread. Go back a page and look at the math.

Furthermore; Omega Wiess =/= Sephiroth
LS =/= NL

Sephiroth's never shown that ability. As for "faster than Link", Link can slow time, canon fact, and Seph, no matter how fast he moves, will never outrun the comet Link throws at him. at 10.6 Km/s it's moving atleast 11x faster than anything Sephiroth has ever shown the ability to dodge/react to. And that's if it weighs 100 lbs, and we round Link's strength down ALOT. K? With more realistic numbers factoring in the full weight of the rock, the full distance and arc of the throw, [and thus the higher speed it moved at] and the realistic weight of something like a steel sheild, it easily breaks 300 machs. I've personally mathed this atleast ten seperate times. Sephiroth gets one-shotted ftw.

So, realisticly, this is spite incarnate. Link is pretty much designed to destroy someone like Sephiroth.

**** YEAH SEPHIROTH WINS! I mean, what can Link do? the Negative life stream and telekinesis are blocked by master sword but I mean, we got speed BLITZ, ****ING a blitzzzz of speed?!!! and teleportation. I mean, link has fought people who have instant teleportation and can speed react to them but I mean, come on?

And look how strung we are, Sephiroth can cut a falling building already in given momentum. THats like if I had a sword out and some one threw a stick of butter at me, dude IM BUFF. What can Link do? lift a 1000+ ton pillar and throw things 3 X the speed of light? LULULUL so what *****. I'm Sephiroth.

I got not two, not four, not even 88, but O N E wing. How can you top my one winged pretty boy ass? YOU CAN'T, Sephiroth stomps IMO. I mean I know he is pure evil and wicked and Link has several items that are created and made to smite and bring down such things and he has the speed and agility, reaction time to probably hit me but, dude, Sephiroth's WILL, W I LL, is unstoppable. You can't mess with it.

Sephiroth Wins, stomp, case closed. Amirte? ofcursImrite. I don't care what Link can actually do or has on Sephiroth, he can't win. so STFU, DICK or GTFO.

Originally posted by Voyeur
I mean, link has fought people who have instant teleportation and can speed react to them but I mean, come on?

Link hasn't fought people at the strength of Sephiroth's

Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Link hasn't fought people at the strength of Sephiroth's

Actually, since Ganon and Zant literally just tear a hole in reality wherever they want, theirs is better than Sephiroth's.

Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Link hasn't fought people at the strength of Sephiroth's
I know am I right? I mean, he's fought Ganondorf who is considerably stronger but you're SO right man, what is Link going to do against some one of Sephiroth's strength. Lulz what a noob Hylian am i right?

@ScreamPaste
uhh I replied to all your posts. And all you can do is just requore yourself and say "zomg you guys arent reading!!" which is all you've been doing for the past 47 pages.

@voyeur

Umm why would TK and NL be blocked by the master sword? SPeculation, and only speculation. "Master sword lifted a curse therefore it must block all of Sephiroths attacks!!! dur"

Honestly, show me the master sword withstanding TK. Show me Ganon trying to TK Link and failing, can you? No. Speculation, and nothing more. Saying the NL wouldn't harm Link is just ridiculous. Then why would Ganons punch harm him? Loz' punch would harm Link, Kadaj's would harm Link, Yazoo would harm Link, all those guys were created from the NL. Sephiroths sword would harm Link.

And Sephiroth can regenerate. Sephiroth can give far more output of force then two 5000 ton trucks crashing into eachother at the speed of sound. One throw and Link would be dead, and no he cannot regenerate, unless you want to make up another bs theory.

Yes you're right, Sephiroth stomps Link hard.

And show me some Ganon feats? Show me Ganon tearing a hole in reality with physical strength? Oh you're not going to show it? That's what i thought.

You know who really wins this fight? Leon Kennedy

And once more Terry makes a bunch of claims without actually supporting them. Lol, by feats, Sephiroth can't even generate as much force as Link taking a dump, ke. He can't hurt Link with his silly little sword, and the NL isn't going to help him, it's featless and applies to the "repellable" clause of the master sword's EULA.

that dark void that ganondorf used to try and seal Link/disarm or TK him with. The master sword protected him for it being effective, genius. I showed you that vid. See, you don't read/watch/learn from anything I've ever posted. You think you win, because you never fully read when I whoop your ass.

@ Screampaste

Umm the actual ingame quote supports me more then it supports you. You think the GG grants Link power throughout his entire body allowing him to lift it. When it says its only power in the arms.

Lol again you purposely ignore Sephiroths feat, be in denial all you want.

NL isn't "repellable" by Links master sword just like Ganons punch isn't.

@Voyeur

The dark void isn't TK. Link just overcame it while the fairy wasn't strong enough, nothing even said it was because of the master sword. That's all you guys can say "zomg you not read!!" is that your excuse for getting owned? Or are you really trying to compare the dark void with the NL? This is probably why you think i don't read your posts, it's because you keep saying dumb things which I have already explained to you. If YOU have read my posts, then you should know theyre completely different. Since you know, the NL can become physical? Take Loz for exmaple? Or Kadaj? Yazoo? Sephiroths sword?

I've seen AC and NL DOES NOTHING IN IT! nothing. At all. He never does anything with it. All it does, is the fact it's tainted causes kids to get sick. There's no feats of him doing anything you claim it can do.

and I already showed you a post and quotes, the Master Sword repels evil. Ganon's attack is evil. There for, it repels it. The Sword even has energy and a life of it's own sort of speak. Since at the end it Glows and shines to its full power, and Zelda explains to Link the master sword is allowing him to use it's full ability now and strike down Ganon with it. Like Bleach's Zanpakto and crap or w/e it's called.

Link over came being sealed into another dimension with sheer strength alone? .... wow you really want to give Link more credit then, cool. Remember I showed you in all the other vids of Ganon tk'ing and then sealing them into a dimension. Same with Phantom ganon, etc. How he TK'ed Zelda and sealed her, then ported. Yeah, see how he uses TK in all those? How I even pointed out he levitates during the fight. See Link is shown being pulled forward and fighting it, because Ganondorf is trying to TK him into the dimension rift to seal him there. So if you want to say Link is doing that on his own sheer will, awesome. I was trying to explain to you that it is the holy divine power to repel such evil and wicked attacks from the Master Sword.

I already explained the Fairy was strong enough to resist being TK to sealed but she drained all her power doing it. But in the Ganon fight Navi gives it all she gots and then at the end flies up to the heavens and just disappears. (dies)

so yeah. Sheer pure Link strength and will alone, or master sword, you choose which one you want him to be able to repel evil and not be TK'ed and sealed into a dimension.

As for NL, once again. I've see AC. He never does anything you're saying it does. So no facts Sephiroth can do any of that with NL. All he ever does is make the sky go black,ooooOoooo. More dramatic effect to the final battle. Then he explains how with the NL he'll drain the very life and nature from the planet and etc. etc. Evil plan monologue.

So yeah. TK, useless. NL? featless. Speed? he is fast, but Link has reaction time. Strength? I'm sorry, he has no unlimited and unknown strength fallacy. All he's ever shown is to stick his sword out and let a falling building get cut. And he's shown putting strength into that swing, effort. So, it wasn't even easy for him to do that.

Teleportation? I said you should except that I even said he does a dematerialize and rematerialize energy signature based one via Light, breaking down his Jenova cells into particles and traveling on it to go light speed, while being intangible. You don't want too? Fine. Proof of burden of what, how and the speed he goes is all on you. Until then, he just goes "really" fast. Just that our naked human eye's can't see.

so it would come down to Sephiroth having to fight with his sword. And Link, with his Shield, is the superior swordsmen. Speed? Agility? useless against, Turtle Style. Defense is the best offense.

I know you're going to go on some rant but honestly, before you do stop, re-read and think about it. You're wasting time. You should try to find more feats of Sephiroth's sword now and his swordsmen skill. Use it's Length to your advantage and space.

Originally posted by Voyeur
[B]I've seen AC and NL DOES NOTHING IN IT! nothing. At all. He never does anything with it. All it does, is the fact it's tainted causes kids to get sick. There's no feats of him doing anything you claim it can do.

I've told you what the NL is. It's simply the lifestream under Sephiroths influence. It still works the same way, that's why the remnants were capable of using it as magic, Sephiroth was able to make the remnants out of it, etc.

"All it does, is the fact it's tainted causes kids to get sick." <-- I don't understand what you mean by this.

I've given you lifestream feats, the NL is the lifestream under Sephiroths influence. If a hammer is capable of destroying a dish by itself, and now i have the hammer in my hand (under my control) does that make me capable of destroying the dish as well? Yes.


and I already showed you a post and quotes, the Master Sword repels evil. Ganon's attack is evil. There for, it repels it. The Sword even has energy and a life of it's own sort of speak. Since at the end it Glows and shines to its full power, and Zelda explains to Link the master sword is allowing him to use it's full ability now and strike down Ganon with it. Like Bleach's Zanpakto and crap or w/e it's called.

Ganons punch is evil too, Ganon is evil to, does that make Link immune to ganon? No.


Link over came being sealed into another dimension with sheer strength alone? .... wow you really want to give Link more credit then, cool. Remember I showed you in all the other vids of Ganon tk'ing and then sealing them into a dimension. Same with Phantom ganon, etc. How he TK'ed Zelda and sealed her, then ported. Yeah, see how he uses TK in all those? How I even pointed out he levitates during the fight. See Link is shown being pulled forward and fighting it, because Ganondorf is trying to TK him into the dimension rift to seal him there. So if you want to say Link is doing that on his own sheer will, awesome. I was trying to explain to you that it is the holy divine power to repel such evil and wicked attacks from the Master Sword.

Yeah, because its not hard to overcome it, it couldn't even seal a small fairy. You showed me a video of Ganon putting one of his creations (which was already dead btw) "from another dimension" back into a different dimension, the time it took, or preparation it took to do it is unknown. That's the only video you posted that actually showed anything. You never posted any videos of Ganon attempting to TK Link and failing.


I already explained the Fairy was strong enough to resist being TK to sealed but she drained all her power doing it. But in the Ganon fight Navi gives it all she gots and then at the end flies up to the heavens and just disappears. (dies)

That's great, the fairy never had any physically powerful feats to begin with.


so yeah. Sheer pure Link strength and will alone, or master sword, you choose which one you want him to be able to repel evil and not be TK'ed and sealed into a dimension.

No proof it was the master sword, more like another attempt by you to push for the master sword making Link immune to evil things. It didn't show Ganon TK'ing anyone, it just showed him with the dark waves.


As for NL, once again. I've see AC. He never does anything you're saying it does. So no facts Sephiroth can do any of that with NL. All he ever does is make the sky go black,ooooOoooo. More dramatic effect to the final battle. Then he explains how with the NL he'll drain the very life and nature from the planet and etc. etc. Evil plan monologue.

How many times do I have to tell you before you can comprehend that the NL is the Lifestream? You know what the lifestream is capable of? I probably gave you feats about 5x now, start paying attention please. And yes, just like all the other things the lifestream is capable of, it can transform the entire planet.


So yeah. TK, useless. NL? featless. Speed? he is fast, but Link has reaction time. Strength? I'm sorry, he has no unlimited and unknown strength fallacy. All he's ever shown is to stick his sword out and let a falling building get cut. And he's shown putting strength into that swing, effort. So, it wasn't even easy for him to do that.

Umm TK would work on Link? Because remember? You didn't prove that TK wouldn't work on it.

The lifestream helped disintegrate meteor? Killed tons of people just by being near it, destroyed Sephiroths first body?

Link doesn't have any reaction time, zero feats worthy of mention. People who actually have real speed feats and reaction time feats many many many folds greater then Link have fallen to Sephiroth quite quickly

Stick his sword out and let a falling buidling get cut? I don't even know what you're talking about because that never happened. But what did happen is Sephiroth slicing up parts of buildings which because of the force turned the concrete ablaze. And Sephiroth striking barriers, and other swords with so much force that the output of energy caused iron and concrete about a meter away to crator.


Teleportation? I said you should except that I even said he does a dematerialize and rematerialize energy signature based one via Light, breaking down his Jenova cells into particles and traveling on it to go light speed, while being intangible. You don't want too? Fine. Proof of burden of what, how and the speed he goes is all on you. Until then, he just goes "really" fast. Just that our naked human eye's can't see.

Sephiroth simply teleports, you know, dissappear, reappear somewhere else instantly? You can't just "move really fast" into a solid room without destroying the walls.


so it would come down to Sephiroth having to fight with his sword. And Link, with his Shield, is the superior swordsmen. Speed? Agility? useless against, Turtle Style. Defense is the best offense.

Uhh what are you talking about? Link would have a sword through his head before he even knew it. Link would be utterly useless against Sephiroth.


I know you're going to go on some rant but honestly, before you do stop, re-read and think about it. You're wasting time. You should try to find more feats of Sephiroth's sword now and his swordsmen skill. Use it's Length to your advantage and space.

That's something you should think about. Find some feats of Link being able to reacting to someone as fast as Sephiroth. Find feats of Link having speeds atleast rivalling one of the weaker FF7 characters. Or else it would just look like Tifa vs Loz(Sephiroths remnant) where she got speedblitz'd.

it's time to digivolve into...SKULL GREYMON.

just close this thread -.-;

it's like talking to a year book.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Thanks. Now that we've established that it is infact strength, and you've found the only description with the term 'arms' used, explain how his legs don't buckle? [Also, this is simply what comes up when you put your cursor over the gauntlets, it's explaining how they work in gameplay, lol.]

Unless his legs are that strong without the gauntlets, the gauntlets make them stronger too. Just because that description mentions his arms doesn't mean it doesn't strengthen the rest of him. If you're wearing a shirt and pants, and I say nice shirt, you are not naked from the waist down.

Link's legs, regardless of the source, are obviously strong enough to support the force of launching a 1000+ ton [really it's closer to 1300] stone. Terry's trying to argue against this, which btw, is CANON, with Zelda's gameplay mechanics. The engine wouldn't support Link jumping across entire dungeons and smashing through doors, [which would also break gameplay] and furthermore, even if it were a viable way to play the game, there was no space left on the cartridge.

Even if Link's arms were the only part of him with god like strength, he'd still win this with ease because this ends as soon as he pulls something out of his pocket and chucks it at Sepgiroth, this is a spite thread. Go back a page and look at the math.

Furthermore; Omega Wiess =/= Sephiroth
LS =/= NL

Sephiroth's never shown that ability. As for "faster than Link", Link can slow time, canon fact, and Seph, no matter how fast he moves, will never outrun the comet Link throws at him. at 10.6 Km/s it's moving atleast 11x faster than anything Sephiroth has ever shown the ability to dodge/react to. And that's if it weighs 100 lbs, and we round Link's strength down ALOT. K? With more realistic numbers factoring in the full weight of the rock, the full distance and arc of the throw, [and thus the higher speed it moved at] and the realistic weight of something like a steel sheild, it easily breaks 300 machs. I've personally mathed this atleast ten seperate times. Sephiroth gets one-shotted ftw. 😱

So, realisticly, this is spite incarnate. Link is pretty much designed to destroy someone like Sephiroth.