Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, BT, you're argument is that we should just guess what ever we feel is right, rather than use a non-bias, exacting method for quantifying feats?
Never did I say this, your argument ofcourse is to use a factual and fairly logical practice to explain something thats fictional and illogical, ill say again...your argument not the developers, they did not use that math and theres no indication that they intended link to be a 1000 tonner, also ive said before, the information in your Loz guide may simply be from the same company but from a diffrent group to design the guide, not necesserily the people who write the main canon so them claiming its granite may not be true unless you have evidence its information is considered canon.
Also as ive already said but you obviously ignored is that its more logical to take into account obvious facts from the game itself, e.g. Link is lifting a stone far larger than what anoher character has lifted so therefore he must be stronger, trying to use math in an illogical and fictional game to try and explain how link to throw an apple or a pebble at incredible speeds is redundant and pretty ridiculous especially since its you who created this idea, not the developers.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Look what he said.Now look what the first sentence of that article said.
Yeh,
produce an enjoyable game or gameplay
Which wouldnt be if there were not things such as invisible walls to make players go long routes through a game to find more encounters rather than just skipping over a low wall to reach his goal....
OR in this case, blue key for red door etc etc, if that rock was not there or was replaced by a fence that link could hop over all the gameplay between then and getting the gauntelts would not exist, therefore making it a less enjoyable game, regardless, I was right, infact the quote you took makes me more right than he is because he listed mechanics that are not necesserily based around game enjoyment, simply a preference of gameplay.
What makes it worse is that there are many rocks of the same type that look exactley the same and probably show the same animation for moving them which the LoZ routers are trying to pass off as a cutscene lol...
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
That's usually how he works.
Usually? find me a few quotes to factually back up that I "usually" use these methods....
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYou consider moving a slab of granite a puzzle? Puzzles are meant to be mentally challenging...Lol.
It seems you dont know what a gameplay mechanic is:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_mechanic
Puzzles are a mechanic of the gameplay
Nobody is denying him strength, simply the amount based on out of game math 🙄
Yet you yourself try to calculate strength when your characters are involved. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You consider moving a slab of granite a puzzle? Puzzles are meant to be mentally challenging...Lol.Yet you yourself try to calculate strength when your characters are involved. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I think I've heard mentionings of Raziel being class 40 strength as conclusion by Burning Thought calculations.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You consider moving a slab of granite a puzzle? Puzzles are meant to be mentally challenging...Lol.Yet you yourself try to calculate strength when your characters are involved. Hypocrisy at its finest.
"meant" to be....I find very few puzzles in these kinds of games mentally challenging.
I dont use calculations really, I just did what I said to do, compare rocks to other real rocks and make a rough estimate. Its not the same. And this is actual consistant strength anyway, not some gameplay mechanic where all the rocks are the same.
And you just admitted they were at best 40 tons, although I was rounding down, consdering the fact the objects were square and the ones I was comparing to are smaller and of odd uneven shape.
I dont use calculations really, I just did what I said to do, compare rocks to other real rocks and make a rough estimate. Its not the same. And this is actual consistant strength anyway, not some gameplay mechanic where all the rocks are the same...So you guess.
Thanx for provin' meh point, sir.
You use a less accurate method of what I do for the same purpose, and one that is much easier to smear with bias. Numbers are non-biased.
K.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIt is not meant to be a puzzle. I was able to do that without any mental strain when I was five. If you actually think that was meant to be a puzzle in a game filled to the brim with actual puzzles, you are an idiot.
"meant" to be....I find very few puzzles in these kinds of games mentally challenging.I dont use calculations really, I just did what I said to do, compare rocks to other real rocks and make a rough estimate. Its not the same. And this is actual consistant strength anyway, not some gameplay mechanic where all the rocks are the same.
And you just admitted they were at best 40 tons, although I was rounding down, consdering the fact the objects were square and the ones I was comparing to are smaller and of odd uneven shape.
Okay. So you use shitty, inaccurate calculations. Line a slab of granite the same size next to the one in OoT, guess what? It'll be about the same weight! 😱 Scream's method is exactly the same, only more accurate. Not consistent strength? He does it two-three times in the last ten minutes of the game, when he gets the gauntlets. It is very consistent.
At best, they were 40 tons. And he pushed it. A class 40 that does not make.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It is not meant to be a puzzle. I was able to do that without any mental strain when I was five. If you actually think that was meant to be a puzzle in a game filled to the brim with actual puzzles, you are an idiot.Okay. So you use shitty, inaccurate calculations. Line a slab of granite the same size next to the one in OoT, guess what? It'll be about the same weight! 😱 Scream's method is exactly the same, only more accurate. Not consistent strength? He does it two-three times in the last ten minutes of the game, when he gets the gauntlets. It is very consistent.
At best, they were 40 tons. And he pushed it. A class 40 that does not make.
When you were 5? thats probably the typical age of the gamers who play LoZ, so theres no change in the argument, the puzzle is the obstacle and how to remove it...it does not "have" to be hard for you, me or bob marley.
Yes thats quite obvious but you cant actually do that, so you would have to find a piece of granite thats the same size and shape in the real world to display it. My argument to screampaste that I last made expulshes the use of math anyway. Yes and Kratos has difficulty pulling up little gates throughout all his games, big deal.....and 3 times is not consistent, even if it is the end of the game it does not make a diffrence, all of those instances are with a block exactley the same, not all of which are apprently canon if any are at all. There are many arguments against Screampastes math to be mistaken for canon or fact. 1000 ton link or in your favour, 1000 tonner Ganon does not exist.
"shrug" he can overcome 40 tons and exert it to move the obstacle. Theres little to no diffrence in the end, the only diffrence would be if the object was on wheels which it was not, it was scraping along the ground and he did not push it, he lifted and flipped which is more impressive.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The typical age of gamers who play Zelda is actually near thirty, FYI, BT. Most of us have been playing LoZ games since the eighties, and the typical gamer is around this age now.
At your age now, would you have trouble beating the Water Temple for the first time? What about Zelda II?
I think people would have trouble on that Water Temple their first time at any age.