Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Right, because most people when they punch do not put force behind it. 😐
That wasn't my point...
My point is that, there is a balance between speed and force. The stronger a punch is, or the more force behind it, the slower it will be because you have to work your muscles more to throw the punch, usually the difference is only a fraction of a second for normal people. However in this situation Raiden is fighting someone who is not just a bit faster than he is. He is, much, faster than he is.
My point is that if Raiden hopes to tag him with a "punch", he'd have to throw something like a jab, a quick punch, which wouldn't be strong enough to "knock his head off".
Simply put, he doesn't have speed to use a one hit KO punch if he wants to actually hit him.
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And it sucks that there's now a thosuand Wesker vs. threads. It makes him irritating because fans are going crazy.
Originally posted by Final BlaxicanMuch faster? Raiden was blocking turret fire that was going 1,200-1,500 meters per second when he was human. That is nearly four times the speed of sound. As a Cyborg he is much faster, able to actually dodge it as well.
That wasn't my point...My point is that, there is a balance between speed and force. The stronger a punch is, or the more force behind it, the slower it will be because you have to work your muscles more to throw the punch, usually the difference is only a fraction of a second for normal people. However in this situation Raiden is fighting someone who is not just a bit faster than he is. He is, much, faster than he is.
My point is that if Raiden hopes to tag him with a "punch", he'd have to throw something like a jab, a quick punch, which wouldn't be strong enough to "knock his head off".
Simply put, he doesn't have speed to use a one hit KO punch if he wants to actually hit him.
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And it sucks that there's now a thosuand Wesker vs. threads. It makes him irritating because fans are going crazy.
Raiden has spun multiple Geckos around with his legs, and while in a crippled state stopped Arsenal Gear, with leverage, sure, but he still stopped it, Arsenal Gear is a mobile fortress, and is thousands of tons.
He ca do it with a jab.
Why is Wesker faster? Because he looks like he is teleporting? Big whoopdy doo.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Much faster? Raiden was blocking turret fire that was going 1,200-1,500 meters per second
Prove it's 1500 meters per second, and also show me him doing it so I can see the gun in question myself.
Raiden has spun multiple Geckos around with his legs, and while in a crippled state stopped Arsenal Gear, with leverage, sure, but he still stopped it, Arsenal Gear is a mobile fortress, and is thousands of tons.He ca do it with a jab.
Doubtful.
Why is Wesker faster? Because he looks like he is teleporting? Big whoopdy doo.
Show me superior Raiden sped feats then. He doesn't look any faster than, say, Yoda.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican1. http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtml
Prove it's 1500 meters per second, and also show me him doing it so I can see the gun in question myself.Doubtful.
Show me superior Raiden sped feats then. He doesn't look any faster than, say, Yoda.
It was a big gun, mounted on Metal Gear Ray, hence being 1,500 mps, and it is fully automatic.
2. Based on what exactly? He has never been hit by anything that strong.
3. Other than what I just named? So he looks like he can teleport? Big whoop. And notice how he only does it in short bursts.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtmlIt was a big gun, mounted on Metal Gear Ray, hence being 1,500 mps, and it is fully automatic.
So wait, just to make sure I understand your argument here.
You don't know what type of gun it actually is. You don't know what it's classification is. You don't know what materials it's made of. You don't know what type of bullets it uses. You don't know what the material of the bullets itself is. You don't know what the range of the gun is.
However, because it "looks big", it automatically fits into one of those three highly fallacious fields? Nevermind the fact that it's attached to a fictional weapon in a fictional universe where logic and reality rarely exist?
2. Based on what exactly? He has never been hit by anything that strong.
A flaming pilalr from a collapsing building fell on hi mand Chris and he suffered 3rd degree burns all over his face. They healed in three minutes. He was shot point blank range by a handgun and after being shot he fell a couple hundred feet out of a moving airplane into a volcano. No physical damage on his body what-so-ever. Also note that he was poisoned heavily at the time. Only his shirt was ripped off. He was tackled out of a window by Jill and they fell a few hundred feet over a sheer cliffside and landed in the rock ridden Atlantic ocean below. He was not injured and in fact managed to swim to shore with Jill in his arms. Chris fired an missile round at him and he caught it in midair an inch away from his face. Chris shot it and the round exploded an inch away from his face. No physical damage on his face. He was only stunned.
Has Raiden ever tanked a missile before?
3. Other than what I just named? So he looks like he can teleport? Big whoop. And notice how he only does it in short bursts. [/B]
Raiden has never done a single thing more impressive speed wise. So who cares?
And no it's not in short bursts. Come back when you've beaten the actual game, and you'll know better.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican1. I know that the weapon is a futuristic weapon that has two gatling guns on each wing. And considering the fact that the very thing is made of top line tech along with being heavily armor plated, you think it would have shit guns? And this is human Raiden.
So wait, just to make sure I understand your argument here.You don't know what type of gun it actually is. You don't know what it's classification is. You don't know what materials it's made of. You don't know what type of bullets it uses. You don't know what the material of the bullets itself is. You don't know what the range of the gun is.
However, because it "looks big", it automatically fits into one of those three highly fallacious fields? Nevermind the fact that it's attached to a fictional weapon in a fictional universe where logic and reality rarely exist?
A flaming pilalr from a collapsing building fell on hi mand Chris and he suffered 3rd degree burns all over his face. They healed in three minutes. He was shot point blank range by a handgun and after being shot he fell a couple hundred feet out of a moving airplane into a volcano. No physical damage on his body what-so-ever. Also note that he was poisoned heavily at the time. Only his shirt was ripped off. He was tackled out of a window by Jill and they fell a few hundred feet over a sheer cliffside and landed in the rock ridden Atlantic ocean below. He was not injured and in fact managed to swim to shore with Jill in his arms. Chris fired an missile round at him and he caught it in midair an inch away from his face. Chris shot it and the round exploded an inch away from his face. No physical damage on his face. He was only stunned.
Has Raiden ever tanked a missile before?
Raiden has never done a single thing more impressive speed wise. So who cares?
And no it's not in short bursts. Come back when you've beaten the actual game, and you'll know better.
Copout, it would classify as a "big gun," which according to the source I provided, can shoot at about 1,500 mps. Shit, the speed of a typical rifle bullet is 1,000 mps, which is more than three times the speed of sound, the guns Ray was using are logically more advanced and larger guns, and they are automatic, Raiden can block them.
2. And all of that equals him being able to take hits from a guy who while injured, missing one arm, although with a bit of leverage, stopped a giant ship that easily weighs multiples of 1,000 tons? Raiden would physically b!tch Wesker.
His body was not crushed by Arsenal Gear. Wesker is not doing shit to him.
3. Only Wesker's feats cannot be quantified. The calculations for how fast you have to be to disappear from sight have already been done. It is about 200 miles per hour for a human sized object. Wesker's fastest reflex feats were dodging sniper shots I believe, and gatling shots, which though impressive, does not make him faster than Raiden by any long shot.
I did the calculations, wtf it looks like is of no importance at all, how's about you do some of your own?
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. I know that the weapon is a futuristic weapon that has two gatling guns on each wing. And considering the fact that the very thing is made of top line tech along with being heavily armor plated, you think it would have shit guns? And this is human Raiden.Copout, it would classify as a "big gun," which according to the source I provided, can shoot at about 1,500 mps. Shit, the speed of a typical rifle bullet is 1,000 mps, which is more than three times the speed of sound, the guns Ray was using are logically more advanced and larger guns, and they are automatic, Raiden can block them.
2. And all of that equals him being able to take hits from a guy who while injured, missing one arm, although with a bit of leverage, stopped a giant ship that easily weighs multiples of 1,000 tons? Raiden would physically b!tch Wesker.
His body was not crushed by Arsenal Gear. Wesker is not doing shit to him.
3. Only Wesker's feats cannot be quantified. The calculations for how fast you have to be to disappear from sight have already been done. It is about 200 miles per hour for a human sized object. Wesker's fastest reflex feats were dodging sniper shots I believe, and gatling shots, which though impressive, does not make him faster than Raiden by any long shot.
I did the calculations, wtf it looks like is of no importance at all, how's about you do some of your own?
Originally posted by SuperherovandalOnly Raiden is faster than Wesker.
Honestly Wesker doesn't seem like he can lose this battle just cause he could probably dodge every one of Raiden's attacks and even if he gets stabbed he can take it. I mean even after he was overinfected by Chris and Sheva he took multiple bullets and was stabbed by Sheva. and Raiden doesn't have the virus to help him. and I'm pretty sure that if Raiden had an RPG explode right next to him he'd be splattered. So yeah I'd say that he's more durable. The only thing that Raiden most certainly has over Wesker is strength but strength doesn't matter when you can't hit your target.
And took the weight of Arsenal Gear on him.
He is far more durable to blunt force.
Originally posted by Genesis
How so? A bullet does zero damage to Wesker's face. A steel pipe bends over his forearm. Suddenly, the magic punch will do the trick? Really?I think Wesker and his ridiculously high speed movement will do the trick.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Only Raiden is faster than Wesker.
If you can show me an example of Raiden moving so fast, that he can transfix his visual matter into invisibility, I'll concur.
Review the second video Blax posts in the initial post of this thread. He is STANDING STILL while shooting and he is able to instantly relocate without extensive movement. He is arguably teleporting.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Raiden is alot stronger than any bullet, Genesis.
Wesker has endured more than just bullets, steel pipes and knifes. He has also endured the strength of a Tyrant. They can tear through steel without effort.
Wesker moves far too quickly. I don't believe Raiden can pull it off.