Well the Fulcrum does say that the dreaming Celestial is the Only being to question him and that he's seeded planets for life for an immeasurable amount of time. So if he's not TOAA then he's his brother or something. He also said the Dreaming Celestial is the only being to become and individual, suggesting he operates outside the influence of the Fulcrum/TOAA (if indeed what the Fulcrum says is true).
Scathan was never backed by TOAA.
That is nothing but a mere assumption by some Marvel fans.
Spectre has been backed by The Presence. At least most of the time.
In COiE, although he lost, he has weakened AM by a large degree.
Just enough for Doctor Light, Alex Luthor Jr, SBP, Darkseid and Superman to punch AM to the sun for the BFR win.
Originally posted by xJLxKingHe needed help in revelations and was powerless against Libra for one. I get the plot device you are trying to sell but it fails here. For one even if it were true the Celestials aren't wicked.
Dude do you not understand that Spectre is the "WRATH of GOD"! He deals out punishment to the wicked because the Presence demands it. What would the point be if the Wrath Of God can't stop the wicked.
Originally posted by NesticalExactly. Celestials any one of them easily destroys the Spectre unless amped.
so what happened when he fought AM?
Originally posted by quanchi112Fail Libra was the Anti life equation Crispin Allen with little experience lost to him not a low feat 👇. Crispin Allen after realizing his full potential was "Gods fist" just like the Fulcrum is "all powerful and all knowing".
He needed help in revelations and was powerless against Libra for one. I get the plot device you are trying to sell but it fails here.
I honestly don't believe the Fulcrum is the TOAA. However, even if he is why are people saying TIamut is equal to him. He is in no way, shape or form equal to the TOAA in terms of power. He broke a bond and thus protrayed a power so to speak which was different then all other celestials. However, that had to do with conscience not the same power as the TOAA which is ludicris. I mean people come on a celestial being equal in power to TOAA and creator of everything in marvel.. the pen behind everything in marvel and now people are saying a celestial is equal to that. Come on people.
Originally posted by iceman24567It was more a matter of Crispus gaining the will to do it. Spectre couldn't act without his host. And after the loss of his son, just didn't seem to care. Once his son was resurected, it was game on.
Fail Libra was the Anti life equation Crispin Allen with little experience lost to him not a low feat 👇. Crispin Allen after realizing his full potential was "Gods fist" just like the Fulcrum is "all powerful and all knowing".
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I honestly don't believe the Fulcrum is the TOAA. However, even if he is why are people saying TIamut is equal to him. He is in no way, shape or form equal to the TOAA in terms of power. He broke a bond and thus protrayed a power so to speak which was different then all other celestials. However, that had to do with conscience not the same power as the TOAA which is ludicris. I mean people come on a celestial being equal in power to TOAA and creator of everything in marvel.. the pen behind everything in marvel and now people are saying a celestial is equal to that. Come on people.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He needed help in revelations and was powerless against Libra for one. I get the plot device you are trying to sell but it fails here. For one even if it were true the Celestials aren't wicked.
so what happened when he fought AM?
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
The Fulcrum: "You are no longer my DEVICE. In shattering that bond, you have proven a power equal to my own.."
Yup, Tiamut is his equal.
haha. this is so silly its not even funny. so now ur telling me tiamut can do whatever he wants n is now the pen i.e. "same power" as his creator. lol how silly
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
we dont know who the ful is? do the words hyperbole mean anything to u?
Originally posted by Juntai
Never read a Spectre comic, I take it?
The Presence himself refers to the Spectre as his agent. Spectre, and Spectre alone is the one referring to himself as the "Wrath of God" or "God's fist".
But when we take a look as events such as when the Spectre merged with the Source he obtained a level of power he never experienced before, he was even unable to hold it. Out of that we can conclude that the Spectre never exerted such power before.
We can take that point further and say that the Spectre never have been beyond the Source--other than when they merged.
Source > Spectre
For you to suggest the opposite--that Spectre channels the power of the Presence directly--is ridiculous, because he has never exerted such power on panel.
When you go around trolling Spectre threads, making claims about how the will of the Presence determines the outcome. You are supposed to be ready to back those claims up. If the opposing debaters start posting panel feats of Spectre's opponent you would have to counter them with feats of the Spectre.
That's what I'm doing right now. Show me. Show me evidence that the Spectre has exerted powers beyond the Source, and is capable of surpassing all the other abstracts in the DC universe--and no, a Dr. Fate statement won't cut it, panel feats or the words of a narrator is required.
You've created, or at least contributed to the Spectre respect thread so you can pull out the scans necessary--the alternative would be giving me the number of a specific issue. If you don't I'll take it as a concession from your part.