The Spectre vs. most powerful Celestial.

Started by D_Dude121015 pages

Yeah, I thought we used feats and not implied power to determine the winner of a VS thread. But how come everytime Spectre is pitted against something, people always bring in the "Wrath of God" argument. Post scans with feats please, I'm sure in the many issues of the Spectre, he's shown the level of power that you've been making him out to have.

Originally posted by Astner
The Spectre has never exerted the power of the Presence. The argument you're making is based on that the Spectre is the wrath of god, which isn't right to begin with. He's an agent of god, just like the angels. He doesn't as you suggest channel the power of the Presence more than Superman does.

He has his own power, and it has always been limited. When he temporarily merged with the Source, he obtained powers which was anything he'd ever felt. He was even unable to handle it. That suggest that he never had that kind of power before. Even a mere percentage of the Presence power would dwarf the power of the Source, heck even Lucifer ignored the Source.

The most powerful version, to date, of the Spectre would be when he fought the Anti-Monitor, since he was unable to handle the power of the Source. So anything that can defeat the IC: Anti-Monitor can defeat the Spectre.

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Except for the fact that you forgot to mention that Spectre was amped by all the magicians during the Crisis and you didn't mention all the times/foes that the Spectre's powers were completely ineffectual. 😛

Concur also

Great post by Astner

Originally posted by iceman24567
Just like a sex offender I hope you don't have any kids for their sake 😬

now who's the troll? 😱 tiamut ftw

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
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Scathan's power is but an atom in the eyes of The Presence.

And did you even bother reading my post before replying?
Scathan ain't doing jack shit to Spectre.
If The Presence wants The Spectre to kill Scathan, then it shall be done.

and scathan was backed by toaa 😬

Spectre is the wrath of "God". If the Presence says that wrath will come to Scathan then it shall.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Spectre is the wrath of "God". If the Presence says that wrath will come to Scathan then it shall.

Uhm, Spectres only the wrath of god in DC world. I'd assume they're in a neutral place. Otherwise people could say that TOAA is backing Scathan and Scathan doesn't approve of the Spectre being alive anymore.

Originally posted by Nestical
and scathan was backed by toaa 😬
This is forum rumor.

You can make such assumptions but it was never stated

beating Protege should be enough to win against Spectre though

Other than being called the "wrath of god" in every thread, does Spectre have any feats that put him above the level of an abstract?

Originally posted by kgkg
This is forum rumor.

And Spectre channelling the Presence's power isn't?

Originally posted by Astner
And Spectre channelling the Presence's power isn't?
I didn't make that claim did I?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Not exactly. If the Presence wants Spectre to win, you might as well be fighting the Presence itself unless you are a supreme being yourself.

Celetials are creations of eternity. Scathan is a celestial, and my problem is, his feats are dubious. The whole fight was craptacular writing that made no sense.

This is one of the few things I agree with Mr. M on. That shit is basically the kind of writing we ignore on this forum.

Just like in coie... 😂

When has this happened in a comic? Give me one example of the presence allowing the Spectre overpower some huge threat while tapping into his personal power. If this is what you keep claiming then please back it up. It's obvious this has been a sad excuse for dc fanboys to get the Spectre the win when it's obvious he gets crushed.

Celestials

I like the idea of the Fulcrum

Crispin Allen ftw

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just like in coie... 😂

When has this happened in a comic? Give me one example of the presence allowing the Spectre overpower some huge threat while tapping into his personal power. If this is what you keep claiming then please back it up. It's obvious this has been a sad excuse for dc fanboys to get the Spectre the win when it's obvious he gets crushed.

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Originally posted by Astner
The Spectre has never exerted the power of the Presence. The argument you're making is based on that the Spectre is the wrath of god, which isn't right to begin with. He's an agent of god, just like the angels. He doesn't as you suggest channel the power of the Presence more than Superman does.

He has his own power, and it has always been limited. When he temporarily merged with the Source, he obtained powers which was anything he'd ever felt. He was even unable to handle it. That suggest that he never had that kind of power before. Even a mere percentage of the Presence power would dwarf the power of the Source, heck even Lucifer ignored the Source.

The most powerful version, to date, of the Spectre would be when he fought the Anti-Monitor, since he was unable to handle the power of the Source. So anything that can defeat the IC: Anti-Monitor can defeat the Spectre.

Never read a Spectre comic, I take it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just like in coie... 😂

When has this happened in a comic? Give me one example of the presence allowing the Spectre overpower some huge threat while tapping into his personal power. If this is what you keep claiming then please back it up. It's obvious this has been a sad excuse for dc fanboys to get the Spectre the win when it's obvious he gets crushed.


Dude do you not understand that Spectre is the "WRATH of GOD"! He deals out punishment to the wicked because the Presence demands it. What would the point be if the Wrath Of God can't stop the wicked.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Dude do you not understand that Spectre is the "WRATH of GOD"! He deals out punishment to the wicked because the Presence demands it. What would the point be if the Wrath Of God can't stop the wicked.

so what happened when he fought AM?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Dude do you not understand that Spectre is the "WRATH of GOD"! He deals out punishment to the wicked because the Presence demands it. What would the point be if the Wrath Of God can't stop the wicked.

And Tiamut is equal to the Fulcrum which seems to be just like the Presence. Tiamut doesn't even need permission to do things or any of that. He does them on his own. the spectre has to have the presence power him up otherwise he gets stomped by everyone. Tiamut, the dreaming celestial ftw. or scathan, or exitar, or TOAA

If the Fulcrum is indeed TOAA or some aspect of it, it would go a long way to explaining why Scathan is > LT.