Kain runs a gauntlet, with a twist.

Started by ThunderGodEneru12 pages

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I don't think you ever see ANYONE do it. The whole regulation thing is kinda featless, but still.
But still what? I just proved that Kain can't regulate magic from another verse.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
But still what? I just proved that Kain can't regulate magic from another verse.

Still... if Kain could beat all the characters before Kefka and absorb their powers...

He doesn't beat Kratos.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Failure.

"The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth."

What a sad little use, its been done time and time again, ofcourse its in Nosgoth because the character is in it lol...what else is it going to say? Regulate the magfic in Tokyo? in the DS universe? in Warcraft?

also check out your quote above buddy ol pal, I just bolded something else...just nearly as important as Voyeur rubbish on how he is apprently limited just because of his "role", role and power are not the same 😉 .

Originally posted by Voyeur
omg, Regulation via Balance.

there is no canon proof the has that much of an extreme over it. When the word balance and regulate come together in context, it means he must maintain a neutrality where one can't become stronger then the next.

Nothing shows he ever uses this balance regulation to tap and pump up his own magic, or to rid every single use of magic across the land that other people use. So, there's no canon facts that state he has that much of extreme.

Besides iirc, he never even took up the job, he ignored his duties, even if he could, when did he take time to learn it? Even then, guardian of the pillar of [b]BALANCE that regulates magic. Not, "lol i cans have all teh majikcs?" -.- [/B]

WHy do you keep saying this bulletshit? it says nothing about via balance at all, it simply says thats his role it never states that that is a limit on any of his powers.

Hes a regulator, that IS the extreme, thats what the power is. No it means, as the quote actually says it does that that was his role...as if he gives a damn about balance against a character in a VS debate.

That last paragraph makes no sense, it says he regulates magic and those things you just stated are what that regulation means.

And you said that before, he wouldnt ask if he can have it, he just takes it, it would be like a prisoner telling a judge and jury what his sentence should be......thing is ,Kain is the judge and the jury of magic.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
He doesn't beat Kratos.

beoz Kratos is biggzor buffsor?

your typical low calibre arguments are not worth my time but seriously whats he going to do? swing his blades of Chaos around hoping to hit something? before Kain just tosses him about like shit in a TK storm? lawlz......

Kratos is perhaps the easiest one on the list for Kain to defeat with impunity.

And then if he grows large and becomes immune to TK, hes a big cumbersome oath who will end up completly outmanovuered by the already much faster Kain.

Originally posted by Burning thought
What a sad little use, its been done time and time again, ofcourse its in Nosgoth because the character is in it lol...what else is it going to say? Regulate the magfic in Tokyo? in the DS universe? in Warcraft?

also check out your quote above buddy ol pal, I just bolded something else...just nearly as important as Voyeur rubbish on how he is apprently limited just because of his "role", role and power are not the same 😉 .

WHy do you keep saying this bulletshit? it says nothing about via balance at all, it simply says thats his role it never states that that is a limit on any of his powers.

Hes a regulator, that [b]IS the extreme, thats what the power is. No it means, as the quote actually says it does that that was his role...as if he gives a damn about balance against a character in a VS debate.

That last paragraph makes no sense, it says he regulates magic and those things you just stated are what that regulation means.

And you said that before, he wouldnt ask if he can have it, he just takes it, it would be like a prisoner telling a judge and jury what his sentence should be......thing is ,Kain is the judge and the jury of magic.

beoz Kratos is biggzor buffsor?

your typical low calibre arguments are not worth my time but seriously whats he going to do? swing his blades of Chaos around hoping to hit something? before Kain just tosses him about like shit in a TK storm? lawlz......

Kratos is perhaps the easiest one on the list for Kain to defeat with impunity.

And then if he grows large and becomes immune to TK, hes a big cumbersome oath who will end up completly outmanovuered by the already much faster Kain. [/B]

1. So if something says so and so can do something to so and so, we assume he can do the same to something else? Magic works differently in different verses, the physics are different, so yes, there is a difference, but since you're not exactly what I would refer to as an intelligent human being you do not realise this.

But we assume he can do more than what he has done for his role right? And also, Kain only influences the regulation, he does not directly cause it on his own.

3. Well you wanna use titles Kefka is the actual God of all magic.

Kain is the judge and jury? Kefka is the law itself.

4. No, because Kratos is stronger, faster(show me Kain reacting to lightning jack), more versatile, more powerful, and more skilled. TK? Kain's weak ass TK isn't restraining something as strong as Kratos, sorry.

Or he can just use his TK which is superior to Kain's and pop his head like Ares did to the Barbarian army, both were the Gods of War, but Kratos was a more powerful God than Ares ever was.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. So if something says so and so can do something to so and so, we assume he can do the same to something else? Magic works differently in different verses, the physics are different, so yes, there is a difference, but since you're not exactly what I would refer to as an intelligent human being you do not realise this.

But we assume he can do more than what he has done for his role right? And also, Kain only influences the regulation, he does not directly cause it on his own.

3. Well you wanna use titles Kefka is the actual God of all magic.

Kain is the judge and jury? Kefka is the law itself.

4. No, because Kratos is stronger, faster(show me Kain reacting to lightning jack), more versatile, more powerful, and more skilled. TK? Kain's weak ass TK isn't restraining something as strong as Kratos, sorry.

Or he can just use his TK which is superior to Kain's and pop his head like Ares did to the Barbarian army, both were the Gods of War, but Kratos was a more powerful God than Ares ever was.

1. Not really, magic works similiar in most verses, channeling energy, mana etc, theres diffrent schools and perhaps sometimes they get their magic from diffrent sources but that doesnt make a diffrence on what magic is. Ime not an intelligent human being? if so then you must consider yourself what? less than ape?

Were not assuming anything, he has the power as it says so, by defintion of his power, he can do exactley what ive stated he can do. And thats a fairly moronic statement, he influences it but doesnt cause it? it happens because he influences it, therefore he causes it... 🙄

3. No ime not using titles, Kains title is scion of balance, I was describing what regulation means for Kain, and sorry but being God does not make you the law......trumped...like most of your arguments.

4. Before I show you Kain reacting to lightning, show me kratos doing so outside of gameplay. Versatile? lmao...bullshit, skilled? not likely, Kain has been alive as the leader/general of many armies and is the forfront of every battle for around 1000 years, wahts Kratos? a trival human general? fighting human wars?

What crap, again prove kratos' strength is throughout his body, Kain could just grab him by the throat, raise him into the air and hes doomed, if he is at his full size then Kain wont use TK, simple...

Never had Tk, never shown TK etc, stop using crappy titles to whimper your arguments, what a poor statement from a poor debator.

Creating magic of that world and being able to regulate are two different things. That is where Kain's jurisdiction gets restricted.

And you pointed it out yourself, the source of magic from difference universes is the key. Kain can control magic in nosgoth, which has a difference source then Materia in FF, the lifestream, or Divine Magic from the goddesses will in LoZ, they're all difference sources and ways to give power to the birth of magic in that universe. There for, it isn't reasonable to say Kain can intervene with the divinity of other worldly based sources. Or that once taken out of Nosgoth, how can one say he still even has that ability in general?

Super Man is super on our planet, but take him back to an area with Red Sun rays, and he's nothing. The area of where a person is, does hold restrictions on their abilities. Be it the gravity, physics, etc. of that new plane of fighting. So in Nosgoth, Kain does have the ability to regulate balance of magic. But Magic in other universes come from unique and variable sources that Kain's title wouldn't entirely give him reason to hold a power over. Even so, it is still in Nosgoth. That's the key. So if you were even to get some one to agree that he controls ALL universes source of magic, they'd need to be in Nosgoth at least for it to still be valid.

Originally posted by Voyeur
Creating magic of that world and being able to regulate are two different things. That is where Kain's jurisdiction gets restricted.

And you pointed it out yourself, the source of magic from difference universes is the key. Kain can control magic in nosgoth, which has a difference source then Materia in FF, the lifestream, or Divine Magic from the goddesses will in LoZ, they're all difference sources and ways to give power to the birth of magic in that universe. There for, it isn't reasonable to say Kain can intervene with the divinity of other worldly based sources. Or that once taken out of Nosgoth, how can one say he still even has that ability in general?

Super Man is super on our planet, but take him back to an area with Red Sun rays, and he's nothing. The area of where a person is, does hold restrictions on their abilities. Be it the gravity, physics, etc. of that new plane of fighting. So in Nosgoth, Kain does have the ability to regulate balance of magic. But Magic in other universes come from unique and variable sources that Kain's title wouldn't entirely give him reason to hold a power over. Even so, it is still in Nosgoth. That's the key. So if you were even to get some one to agree that he controls ALL universes source of magic, they'd need to be in Nosgoth at least for it to still be valid.

He has no juristiction limit, where are you getting that from?......

But controlling magic has nothing to do with source, it does not say that in the information I provided, i think your guessing and trying to make up excuses, Kain is regulating the magic, not necesserily the source. Also your last comment would be a major assumption to assume he loses his powers outside of Nosgoth, one we could assume about link, and every other character in gaming but the thing is, its usually assumed that in the neutral universe characters fight in in VS battles, all their abilities work the way they would in their own universe, otherise fights would be boring and not make much sense or better gauge the power of those within them.

Thats because he is weak to that kind of sun and we know that as fact, no such thing is stated or hinted towards Kain and his regulation. By your logic, anyone can destroy/defeat the Living tribunal from Marvel because his powers are nothing outside his judgement in marvels universe. And no, your last statements do not hold any truth, show me evidence of where your getting this "only in Nosgoth" thing from? because it seems to me your inventing limits for Kain just for the sake of it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Not really, magic works similiar in most verses, channeling energy, mana etc, theres diffrent schools and perhaps sometimes they get their magic from diffrent sources but that doesnt make a diffrence on what magic is. Ime not an intelligent human being? if so then you must consider yourself what? less than ape?

Were not assuming anything, he has the power as it says so, by defintion of his power, he can do exactley what ive stated he can do. And thats a fairly moronic statement, he influences it but doesnt cause it? it happens because he influences it, therefore he causes it... 🙄

3. No ime not using titles, Kains title is scion of balance, I was describing what regulation means for Kain, and sorry but being God does not make you the law......trumped...like most of your arguments.

4. Before I show you Kain reacting to lightning, show me kratos doing so outside of gameplay. Versatile? lmao...bullshit, skilled? not likely, Kain has been alive as the leader/general of many armies and is the forfront of every battle for around 1000 years, wahts Kratos? a trival human general? fighting human wars?

What crap, again prove kratos' strength is throughout his body, Kain could just grab him by the throat, raise him into the air and hes doomed, if he is at his full size then Kain wont use TK, simple...

Never had Tk, never shown TK etc, stop using crappy titles to whimper your arguments, what a poor statement from a poor debator.

1. No it doesn't, you're just saying it does so Kain will win because you like him more. Magic is of different natures in many different verses, the source is usually different. So no, you are wrong, and continue to be the laughing-stock of this forum.

2. It says that he can do it to Nosgoth's magic. Nothing else. He influences the regulation, in the same way you can influence the actions of a small child, you are not the sole reason for it.

3. Kefka possesses all the magic power of his world, he has unrivaled mastery over its magic, and unlike Kain's has feats to back him up.

4. Outside of gameplay? I am sorry, but when it is an actual required tactic in the game, it happened, to say it didn't is piss-poor logic, which is not surprising considering who I am talking to. And at the end of the fight it may as well of been a cut-scene. Shit, you wanna see some agility feats from Kratos?

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Show me anything from Kain that compares. And please for the love of God, humor me and put up the vid with Kain stabbing Raziel, would be hilarious.

Kain possesses superhuman powers above the vast majority of his foes. Kratos was a human general who led Spartans, some of the finest warriors to have ever lived, to countless victories, his only defeat being the Barbarians whose brutality matched his own and I believe out-numbered him. He is able to take any weapon and wield it with great skill, Kain swings random slashes with the Reaver. Kratos is far more skilled.

He has been sent head-first through like ten feet of solid stone without so much as having a sore neck, neck strength. And your notion that Kratos' neck would be weaker than the rest of his body is hilarious.

Ares had TK, Kratos functionally is Ares in this fight, they are the same being, they can do the same things.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. No it doesn't, you're just saying it does so Kain will win because you like him more. Magic is of different natures in many different verses, the source is usually different. So no, you are wrong, and continue to be the laughing-stock of this forum.

2. It says that he can do it to Nosgoth's magic. Nothing else. He influences the regulation, in the same way you can influence the actions of a small child, you are not the sole reason for it.

3. Kefka possesses all the magic power of his world, he has unrivaled mastery over its magic, and unlike Kain's has feats to back him up.

4. Outside of gameplay? I am sorry, but when it is an actual required tactic in the game, it happened, to say it didn't is piss-poor logic, which is not surprising considering who I am talking to. And at the end of the fight it may as well of been a cut-scene. Shit, you wanna see some agility feats from Kratos?

YouTube video

Show me anything from Kain that compares. And please for the love of God, humor me and put up the vid with Kain stabbing Raziel, would be hilarious.

Kain possesses superhuman powers above the vast majority of his foes. Kratos was a human general who led Spartans, some of the finest warriors to have ever lived, to countless victories, his only defeat being the Barbarians whose brutality matched his own and I believe out-numbered him. He is able to take any weapon and wield it with great skill, Kain swings random slashes with the Reaver. Kratos is far more skilled.

He has been sent head-first through like ten feet of solid stone without so much as having a sore neck, neck strength. And your notion that Kratos' neck would be weaker than the rest of his body is hilarious.

Ares had TK, Kratos functionally is Ares in this fight, they are the same being, they can do the same things.

1. Erm no? is that your only argument? sounds like trolling to me and some bullshit besides that, as I said before, whre does it say Kain has to regulate the source and not the magic itself? who is assuming that would actually make a diffrence? and the last part of your post is your whiny delusions.

2. No it doesnt, it states his role is to regulate the magic in Nosgoth, it doesnt say he can only do it to Nosgoths magic, thats just his role, his power of regulation still remains the same in either case...

3. Feats you couldnt provide in the Kefta thread we all bullied you out of earlier? the one where Kefta's opposition couldnt provide pretty much any evidence at all...amusing

4. So you admit its just gameplay mechanics? no....sorry, not a feat 🙂

And as youve stated youve seen the video, Kain moves pretty much instantly across the area and you think a few jumps by kratos and pretty much typical movement for him is impressive speed? ridiculous, Kain could be far out of kratos' range using teleportation and using mist would be even further and harder to detect. Kratos is not fast, and has nothing he could really harm Kain with tbh.

You just outlined how Kain is superior, he fought as a general as i said for thousands of years and pretty much turned the human race in Nosgoth as his play things, he has fought with the Soul reaver blade for most of those years giving him longer useage and time with his weapon of choice than any of kratos' weapons especially if you have him use the BoO and furthermore Kain has had his superhuman abilities through pretty much all of this so he would know how to use them together.

errr what? so your saying me claiming the amount of strength in his neck does not equel his entire body, or his arms, or his legs hilarious? sorry kid but unfortunaltey for you, your showing your ignorence, the muscles in the neck are not as strong as the arms or legs, simple fact, whats more important ofcourse is that Kratos has no neck feat to get free of Kains TK, Kratos is doomed, what he going to do? tense his neck in hope of somehow breaking Kains TK? ......right.....if you think hes capable of that then we must be walking down the realm of fantasy where Kain could likewise toss a mountain with tk hmm? nonsense...actually go and find some evidnece then get back to me tod

Ares and kratos=two diffrent characters, with diffrent feats, diffrent shown abilities etc, we cant assume Kratos has the same just because he has gained Ares title, now as you would say, stop whimpering and babbling your opinion and evidenceless bullshit and GTFO of this thread would you kindly?

the bottom line is the magic in Nosgoth, is not universal. It's as simple as that. The president of the United States controls and governs the military. But if he went to Japan, he doesn't have power of their military. It's as simple as that honestly.

Magic, is different in every universe. The source and how it works, does play a role. Magic in Nosgoth, doesn't work the same way as Magic in Golden Sun, or LoZ, or GoW. Magic is a universal TERM to describe something of a mythical science fiction, but that is all. It doesn't universally link and combine how these sources work, where they come from. In Nosgoth the Guardian of the Pillar of Balance is subject to that world. The magic in Nosgoth is subject to magic in Nosgoth. Just like how Sephiroth's control over Negative Lifestream, means nothing against other characters. Because it's the Lifestream is FF specific.

See, example. Having the full Triforce grants the wielder to meet their heart's desire. It doesn't say, "The Triforce grants a wish in Hyrule." It just says, it grants a wish. So that term can be hold and universally so to any degree, it just is what that weilder's heart desires. Any character of any place could have it and use it.

But Kain's title is specific to his universe, to Nosgoth. Because simply, magic and Nosgoth doesn't work the same as Magic in WoW, LoZ, GoW, etc. And yes you must be specific about it because that title is specific to that lore and world.

Even if, EVEN IF, Kain had supremacy over any and all types of magic, it would only hold true in Nosgoth. Because that's where his title and regulation is. It's in the realm of Nosgoth that he controls "magic"
"The role of the Balance Guardians was a regulatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth."

It's this simple. He governs Magic in Nosgoth. If this fight took place in Nosgoth, then he could control other types of magic. (BEING very generous and as an extreme) But out of his jurisdiction, which by that quote is Nosgoth, he can't control other magics. Besides the fact remains that the source and manner of how other worlds/universes magic functions, is different then Nosgoth's, so you can't say Kain has a power of things like runes, etc.

Normally other things from other games can respectfully flow into another, but this is pretty straight forward. The Guardian of the pillar of Balance and the use of their magic to regulate magic, is in Nosgoth. That is why things and most vs take place in a neutral playing field I'm guessing. Where neither being can take an advantage over the other.

I mean, that's how I see it. If you want to be narrow minded in an inverse ironic way to say that "No, He controls ALL universes magic" then w/e.

If you think that way then I'd like to point out, Link can create duplicates of himself into statues and bring them to life with the Dominion Rod then. So, Kain, if he gets to Link, would have to fight Link, young Link, Deku Link, Goron Link, Zora Link, Deity Link. All at once. Each with unique abilities. Yeah, composite Link can do that.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Elegy_of_Emptiness

Also: if he has such an over bearing ability, then by the rules I believe such an advantage quickly becomes null and void. So, he can't have it. Just like Link is automatically banned to have his full Triforce, Ganondorf is defeatable by things outside of Lightarrows and master sword, etc.

Originally posted by Voyeur
the bottom line is the magic in Nosgoth, is not universal. It's as simple as that. The president of the United States controls and governs the military. But if he went to Japan, he doesn't have power of their military. It's as simple as that honestly.

Magic, is different in every universe. The source and how it works, does play a role. Magic in Nosgoth, doesn't work the same way as Magic in Golden Sun, or LoZ, or GoW. Magic is a universal TERM to describe something of a mythical science fiction, but that is all. It doesn't universally link and combine how these sources work, where they come from. In Nosgoth the Guardian of the Pillar of Balance is subject to that world. The magic in Nosgoth is subject to magic in Nosgoth. Just like how Sephiroth's control over Negative Lifestream, means nothing against other characters. Because it's the Lifestream is FF specific.

See, example. Having the full Triforce grants the wielder to meet their heart's desire. It doesn't say, "The Triforce grants a wish in Hyrule." It just says, it grants a wish. So that term can be hold and universally so to any degree, it just is what that weilder's heart desires. Any character of any place could have it and use it.

But Kain's title is specific to his universe, to Nosgoth. Because simply, magic and Nosgoth doesn't work the same as Magic in WoW, LoZ, GoW, etc. And yes you must be specific about it because that title is specific to that lore and world.

Even if, EVEN IF, Kain had supremacy over any and all types of magic, it would only hold true in Nosgoth. Because that's where his title and regulation is. It's in the realm of Nosgoth that he controls "magic"
"The role of the Balance Guardians was a regulatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth."

It's this simple. He governs Magic in Nosgoth. If this fight took place in Nosgoth, then he could control other types of magic. (BEING very generous and as an extreme) But out of his jurisdiction, which by that quote is Nosgoth, he can't control other magics. Besides the fact remains that the source and manner of how other worlds/universes magic functions, is different then Nosgoth's, so you can't say Kain has a power of things like runes, etc.

Normally other things from other games can respectfully flow into another, but this is pretty straight forward. The Guardian of the pillar of Balance and the use of their magic to regulate magic, is in Nosgoth. That is why things and most vs take place in a neutral playing field I'm guessing. Where neither being can take an advantage over the other.

I mean, that's how I see it. If you want to be narrow minded in an inverse ironic way to say that "No, He controls ALL universes magic" then w/e.

If you think that way then I'd like to point out, Link can create duplicates of himself into statues and bring them to life with the Dominion Rod then. So, Kain, if he gets to Link, would have to fight Link, young Link, Deku Link, Goron Link, Zora Link, Deity Link. All at once. Each with unique abilities. Yeah, composite Link can do that.

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Elegy_of_Emptiness

Its just magic, simple as that, whether Nosgoths magic is universal or not it does not matter, kain regulates magic, thats his ability. And that is an awful analogy because you would still be assuming magic from another universe would be beyond Kains control.

This entire paragraph does not sound like an argument at all, you just stated magic is a universal term, well by defintion Kain is not limited just because magic comes from a diffrent universe then is he....no..hes not, your inventing the limit out of nothing.

His title is irrelvent, his title means nothing, its his power that were discussing which is why I think you and TGE are getting confused, his power is not subject by his universe, certainly not in a VS debate.

🙄 how many times....The ROLE , that is not a limit, nor does it hint one on Kains regulatory powers, somebodies role is not their bond or their limit, which is what your trying to say, thing is, thats not true in any sense and kains regulatory powers remain over magic.

No you see this is where you completly wrong, he does indeed govern magic in Nosgoth but thats never stated his limit, just like how Link slashing with his sword, or lifting heavy rocks all happens in the LOZ universe, the same thing happens for Kains magic regulation in Nosgoth. By quote his role in Nosgoth is such, not his juristiction which has not has only bene given one limit, magic....And yes i can if they use magic.

Ofcourse its in Nosgoth, just like how Link and the Goddesses powers are in the Legend of Zelda universe, that doesnt mean their automatically powerless in a neutral universe or in a debate...thats absurd.

Me using the actual evidence and not trying to guess, assume and completly invent my own limits on Kain to contradict his powers is apprently "narrow minded"......riiggght..

You would probably have to make a good case for that, it sounds like it could take a long time nad is probably much more complicated than what you make it out to be.

wow BT if the words "in Nosgoth" make you think he controls all other universes magic, then...honestly.....kek. No, it doesn't, the LIMIT IS STATED IN THE ROLE, in his power, that limit is IN NOSGOTH. I'm sorry BT, but that is the limit, there is the logic. that is the common sense.

And yes he controls MAGIC, but the MAGIC in nosgoth doesn't come from the same source or operate the same in other universes. That is where you faulter, that is the flaw. Nothing says that he understands how the magic in other worlds work. MAGIC is just a word. The actual way how it operates is something unique entirely. Magic ISN'T like water, or fire, where it's practically the same in every universe. It's unique. It's different on how it originates, where it comes from. That's why your statement is false. It's a unlimited fallacy that isn't going to happen.

example; A pyrokinetic or Water manipulator could control water and fire in other universes, since they are the same properties. But Magic is a unique thing, specific and cultural. It isn't the same type, energy or source in all other universes. That's it bottom line. I hope you can understand that.

And yeah, nvm, I noticed a flaw in the dominion rod I remember from game mechanics but then again, that is a game mechanic.....either way. He could at least make ONE copy of himself then.

"in Nosgoth" is the environment Kain lives in, you will also have to read my post to realise that his role is to regulate magic in Nosgoth, not that Nosgoth is his limit, or his juristiction, this has no hold over his power, which is stated to be regulation. by defintion Kain could amplify his simple magic energy bolt through his regulation and slice a hole through Kratos with ease, hell why not make it a beam and slice through his entire opposition without having to face them one at a time...saves some time..

And here you go again, inventing things, who says anything about magic sources? it doesnt say he regulates the source of magic in Nosgoth does it? no....does it say the way magic works or even hint have any baring on regulation? no....all thes things you are inventing yourself. And its impossible to be a no limits fallacy when its a direct statement, a no limits fallacy is completly diffrent not to mention your the one inventing random limits that you can think of, not the games canon.

Hm I thought it was more complicated than how you made it sound.

Kain clears it with ease, because Burning Thought isn't going to lose this.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Kain clears it with ease, because Burning Thought isn't going to lose this.
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You[BT]exaggerate Kain too much.

Originally posted by Gumachi
You[BT]exaggerate Kain too much.

really? according to what? point out an exageration because ime using exactley what the canon tells me. Kain not being mainstream or populour does not=him not as powerful as Sephiroth, Link, Kratos etc, and unitl you can debate this your simply trolling/blowing out hot air.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional responseor to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

How am I trolling? You are exaggerating Kain, and i'm not going to say why, because, of course you don't like to listen.

Originally posted by Gumachi
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional responseor to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

How am I trolling? You are exaggerating Kain, and i'm not going to say why, because, I simply cannot and I was making a worthless statement.

Telling me I exaggerate Kain is irrelevent to Kain vs said gauntlet

I have changed your post for truths sake.