Kain runs a gauntlet, with a twist.

Started by Voyeur12 pages

Originally posted by Burning thought
really? according to what? point out an exageration because ime using exactley what the canon tells me. Kain not being mainstream or populour does not=him not as powerful as Sephiroth, Link, Kratos etc, and unitl you can debate this your simply trolling/blowing out hot air.
Pointing out the obvious of your hyperbole won't do a bit of good. It's been brought to your attention before, and you refuse to accept it. You put Kain on a pedestal. As bad as Terry is with Sephiroth. At least when I debates with Scream, I make him see the falsehood in some things and that Link isn't as powerful at moments, but, that is because my knowledge. It isn't my fault a few of you aren't smart enough to go learn for yourself where you could debunk him.

Your biggest flaw is not understanding how words work in context. It actually is a lot like the Chateau Romani. In the game it lasts from 12:00 AM the first day all the way till 12:10 AM (+ time in the pocket universe) 3rd day-4th Day. You all misread a non-canon thing to say it lasts for 3 days. Which is literally only so because the game time is 72 hours. But it shows in the game it lasts an extra 10 minutes, and w/e the estimated time it would be to clear 4 extra dungeons and a final boss with 3 forms. Clearly drinking it would endow the target with an unlimited and untapped magical resource if the game went on. But you all refuse to realize the obvious, also when I showed Bakers infinite theorem to back it up. But you, Take the phrases like "The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth." And butcher and bend words to fit what you want Kain to accomplish. It's far from canon. It's just your personal view and interpretation of it. It's different from something that says ""She'll give you a bottle filled with Chateau Romani, a vintage drink that will strengthen your magic so that it will never run out unless you warp back in time." How can I warp that? It says right there, canon, will never run out unless you reverse time to the point where one would of never drank the milk. Unlike you, who butcher words like regulate and balance to fit the situation.

I read this http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/kain1.php
And all of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kain_(Legacy_of_Kain) &
this one http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/lok/guardians.php

Now....Kain never became the guardian of balance. He was tricked to kill the others, while just being resurrected, and then killed the boss and instead of restoring the power to the Pillar, he just said, screw it and ruled the world. So even if a Guardian of the Pillar of balance has such an ability, Kain isn't that. He never took that role. So how or when was he ever passed on such an ability? Yeah, he was SUPPOSE to be, but ignored it. It even says how in the following time lines the Pillar just became and stayed a ruin. So it's clear the pillars were abandoned and any thing connected to them, so that power that they even once had, is meaningless.

I also want to point out to you. Fire & water, share the same properties in all universes, worlds, and games. Respectfully. But you see, Magic isn't so simple. Each universe has different sources & origins to what MAKES up that magic. Regardless if you want to accept the fact you think Kain controls such a limited word like magic, doesn't mean a thing. Because the magic in other worlds don't operate or work the same, they're not the same, they have a different energy, function, source, origin, and it makes other universes magic different from Nosgoth's magic. Where Guardian's of the pillar of balance have such a feat.

That is where the flaws lie. Magic is unique to where it is at. Lifestream & materia in FF doesn't originate or work the same as Nosgoth magic. The 3 Goddesses blessing beings with divinity of 'spells', isn't the same as magic in Nosgoth. Magic is a word. That's all. The magic in other universes are something entirely new and unique, to their function. Magic isn't Magic. Not in the way you think. It isn't universal. Only by a word. So, sorry, your claims are false. And you do indeed exaggerate this profound ability, which honestly, Kain doesn't even have from what I've read.

So kindly, stop the fellatio. And learn that this fallacy of an unlimited boundary that Kain can control "magic" in every world, every universe, every dimension, every fraction of such in existence of that 'word', just isn't how it is.

If you can't see the error of your way of thinking after this, then just kindly ask a modderator to close this thread. Because it is pointless. You win by forfeit due to your undying devotation to a character.

Originally posted by Voyeur
Pointing out the obvious of your hyperbole won't do a bit of good. It's been brought to your attention before, and you refuse to accept it. You put Kain on a pedestal. As bad as Terry is with Sephiroth. At least when I debates with Scream, I make him see the falsehood in some things and that Link isn't as powerful at moments, but, that is because my knowledge. It isn't my fault a few of you aren't smart enough to go learn for yourself where you could debunk him.

Your biggest flaw is not understanding how words work in context. It actually is a lot like the Chateau Romani. In the game it lasts from 12:00 AM the first day all the way till 12:10 AM (+ time in the pocket universe) 3rd day-4th Day. You all misread a non-canon thing to say it lasts for 3 days. Which is literally only so because the game time is 72 hours. But it shows in the game it lasts an extra 10 minutes, and w/e the estimated time it would be to clear 4 extra dungeons and a final boss with 3 forms. Clearly drinking it would endow the target with an unlimited and untapped magical resource if the game went on. But you all refuse to realize the obvious, also when I showed Bakers infinite theorem to back it up. But you, Take the phrases like "The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth." And butcher and bend words to fit what you want Kain to accomplish. It's far from canon. It's just your personal view and interpretation of it. It's different from something that says [b]""She'll give you a bottle filled with Chateau Romani, a vintage drink that will strengthen your magic so that it will never run out unless you warp back in time." How can I warp that? It says right there, canon, will never run out unless you reverse time to the point where one would of never drank the milk. Unlike you, who butcher words like regulate and balance to fit the situation.

I read this http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/az/kain1.php
And all of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kain_(Legacy_of_Kain) &
this one http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/lok/guardians.php

Now....Kain never became the guardian of balance. He was tricked to kill the others, while just being resurrected, and then killed the boss and instead of restoring the power to the Pillar, he just said, screw it and ruled the world. So even if a Guardian of the Pillar of balance has such an ability, Kain isn't that. He never took that role. So how or when was he ever passed on such an ability? Yeah, he was SUPPOSE to be, but ignored it. It even says how in the following time lines the Pillar just became and stayed a ruin. So it's clear the pillars were abandoned and any thing connected to them, so that power that they even once had, is meaningless.

I also want to point out to you. Fire & water, share the same properties in all universes, worlds, and games. Respectfully. But you see, Magic isn't so simple. Each universe has different sources & origins to what MAKES up that magic. Regardless if you want to accept the fact you think Kain controls such a limited word like magic, doesn't mean a thing. Because the magic in other worlds don't operate or work the same, they're not the same, they have a different energy, function, source, origin, and it makes other universes magic different from Nosgoth's magic. Where Guardian's of the pillar of balance have such a feat.

That is where the flaws lie. Magic is unique to where it is at. Lifestream & materia in FF doesn't originate or work the same as Nosgoth magic. The 3 Goddesses blessing beings with divinity of 'spells', isn't the same as magic in Nosgoth. Magic is a word. That's all. The magic in other universes are something entirely new and unique, to their function. Magic isn't Magic. Not in the way you think. It isn't universal. Only by a word. So, sorry, your claims are false. And you do indeed exaggerate this profound ability, which honestly, Kain doesn't even have from what I've read.

So kindly, stop the fellatio. And learn that this fallacy of an unlimited boundary that Kain can control "magic" in every world, every universe, every dimension, every fraction of such in existence of that 'word', just isn't how it is.

If you can't see the error of your way of thinking after this, then just kindly ask a modderator to close this thread. Because it is pointless. You win by forfeit due to your undying devotation to a character. [/B]

Nah bullshit, you see youve brought no hyperbole at all, its simple fact Kain has this power and thats that, trying to invent limits such as source of magic or other such nonsense and misreading the information ive given you for the sake of Kain being weaker than what the source actually says does not count as hyperbole, just your inability at looking at a source.

It shows in-game it lasts an extra 10 minutes so it automatically lasts longer....ime sorry but thats gameplay. And we all refuse to "realise" the bullshit assumption of "well just because it lasts an extra hour or so must mean its infnite!".

Your the one doing the butchering bullshit, Regulation means what regulation means, as is the context with the universe his role is to balance magic, thing is, role does not =limit, a role of a policeman is to stop a crook, however that does not limit him, he could still join the crook if he so chooses.

No he never sacrificed himself for the Pillars, that does not take away any powers at all...he didnt pass on it, he passed on him dieing.

Your still trying to downplay magic regulation by trying ot invent limits on your own assupmtions through bringing up sources, energies when at the end of the day their all magic, their all of a similiar use. In Warcraft magic is very similiar to the LOk, just because it comes from diffrent beings doesnt make a diffrence on the fact that they can both use it to fire energy bolts. Stop trying to invent limits based on random assumptions.

Ime sorry but theres no fallacy, it clearly states he has the power to regulate magic, and ill take the canon over your random bringing up limits, i dont care if magic in universe A comes from the great big bear of love or magic from universe B has a source of the backside of a mongoose, its magic, Kain regulates magic, end of story.

That last sentence is another load of BS, just because I dont agree with everything I say its apprently because of "undying devotion to a character"? lol......yeh right, ime sorry but Canon>you and your assumptions.

I'm sorry but the words "uses magic to regulate other magic IN Nosgoth" doesn't mean he controls magic ****ing every where. That's it, bottom line.

so yeah, just close the thread. Because talking to you is a god damn waste of time when it concerns Kain. That's obvious.

side note: I love that you compared him to a policeman because, Police have a jurisdiction limit. They can not go into another county/state or country it if it is out of their jurisdiction. (i.e. police have no power in Mexico)

So you're right. That's a perfect example.

He never got that role, that title, that job or power. He was meant to, it WAS his destiny. but show me a quote from the game or canon fact that Kain actually became the guardian of the pillar of balance.

but w/e you're a waste of time. Go blow LoK some where else honestly.

And I posted more evidence then gameplay about Chateau Romani, so thanks for looking over that. You're a doll.

*rolls eyes*

key words you used "smiliarity" DOES Not equal, the same. Hence, you have an obvious inability and have destroyed your credibility to define words when used in context. Do you know what context means? I hope you do.

Originally posted by Voyeur
I'm sorry but the words "uses magic to regulate other magic IN [b]Nosgoth" doesn't mean he controls magic ****ing every where. That's it, bottom line.

so yeah, just close the thread. Because talking to you is a god damn waste of time when it concerns Kain. That's obvious.

side note: I love that you compared him to a policeman because, Police have a jurisdiction limit. They can not go into another county/state or country it if it is out of their jurisdiction. (i.e. police have no power in Mexico)

So you're right. That's a perfect example.

He never got that role, that title, that job or power. He was meant to, it WAS his destiny. but show me a quote from the game or canon fact that Kain actually became the guardian of the pillar of balance.

but w/e you're a waste of time. Go blow LoK some where else honestly.

And I posted more evidence then gameplay about Chateau Romani, so thanks for looking over that. You're a doll.

*rolls eyes*

key words you used "smiliarity" DOES Not equal, the same. Hence, you have an obvious inability and have destroyed your credibility to define words when used in context. Do you know what context means? I hope you do. [/B]

No it says his ROLE is to regulate magic in nosgoth with his magic, thats not a limit...

yeh maybe it wouldnt be a waste of time if i just agreed on everything, hell yeah durability makes you immune to Tk! zomg! yeh durability means you cannot be regulatedz! everything youve said so far youve said is a load of rubbish youve invented yourself.

lol what the hell? you didnt even read my post, that wasnt even the point I was making or hinting on....

errrrr the same informaiton you actually just told me you fu*king read? the one that shows you all the balance guardians? what the fvck....ive shown you that information twice and youve even claimed youve read it yourself...

You showed no evidence whatsoever, you just went on about how somehow it must be infnite just because he has it still after a few minutes in-game

Youve destroyed your credability by claiming youve read sources then asking for proof later on, you destroyed your credability when you cannot even read the evidence you claim to have read in the first place, completly ignoring the context the statement is made in and furthermore you destroy any credability (What am I saying? you had none to start with) in trying to invent limits for Kain when none are stated.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Telling me I exaggerate Kain is irrelevent to Kain vs said gauntlet

I have changed your post for truths sake.

You exagerrate Kain's abilities than what they already are.

Originally posted by Gumachi
You exagerrate Kain's abilities than what they already are.
Quote for truth.
But I'm already working on something to beat this Twilight-Tard.

side note: saying he was suppose to be, and actually became, are 2 different things. Show game quotes where some one officially made kain the guardian of the pillar of balance.

Heh, very true. Who knows what is going to happen next? First he thinks Kain can beat Pyron 😐

Originally posted by Voyeur
Quote for truth.
But I'm already working on something to beat this Twilight-Tard.

side note: saying he was suppose to be, and actually became, are 2 different things. Show game quotes where some one officially made kain the guardian of the pillar of balance.

Ive got better, how about the Developer and character designer herself?

although the information I gave outlines the balance guardians in the source you apparently read you suck at denile or you are handicapped and cannot read since youve proven that by not being able to read the source in the first place but. here:

http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Amy_Hennig.html

What is the difference between the Scion of Balance and the Balance Guardian?

The Scion of Balance is the figure who is destined to return the Pillars to vampiric rule, the one who was prophesied by the ancient Vampires. Kain is both, whereas the other Balance Guardians were not.

But as i said, actually find some actual evidence or get the hell out, whimpering about how ime apprently exagerrating just because ime following the canon and not inventing random limits is absurd and retarded.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Heh, very true. Who knows what is going to happen next? First he thinks Kain can beat Pyron 😐

Whats funny is I could debate it,all you can do is troll and whimper about it while comitting various fallacies..good job...durlaugh

Since when did I troll and since when did I whine? Sounds like your whining now. And I could report you for flaming.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Since when did I troll and since when did I whine? Sounds like your whining now. And I could report you for flaming.
kek, tell him to QQ more.

WTF is QQ[and kek]? Lol.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Since when did I troll and since when did I whine? Sounds like your whining now. And I could report you for flaming.

You cant because I didnt flame.....telling you that your whining is not flaming.

Never said it was 😉 and where was I trolling?

just stay on topic and take your fight over to PMs if you wish