Originally posted by Burning thought1. Sure thing Tom.
Thats just you hating on me because I dont love Pyron as much as you do. Youll find a contradiction to your last statement in me conceding that Kain loses in my first response in the Kain vs Apprentice thread.....Pyron is very vulerable, he has zero resistances to magic powers, since a lot of the gaming universe use a lot of magic powers, Pyron is not as invicnbile as you would like to belive.
2. Magic powers? There is no difference between magic and any other source of power, saying "It's Majik!" is not a viable debating tactic. Kain has not proven to be immune to any of Pyron's powers, only Pyron's powers are actually efficent to use against Kain.
Originally posted by Terryc250Bandwagon? You're generally not very smart, so I generally ignore most you say. Show Ganon doing something? Cannot recall.
It's funny how you jump in everyones bandwagon everytime i put down a character you adore. All I did was ask you to show me Ganon doing something, you purposely ignore it like usual.And now you jump in the anti-Sephiroth bandwagon again, which is funny because the last time i was here you said Chaos Vincent stomps out Dante, Sephiroth > Dante as well.
This anti-Sephiroth bandwagon is played out.
I have always been on the "anti-Sephiroth bandwagon" jack. And you are using the idiotic and infamous A>B>C logic tactic, do not do it, and by feats Chaos and Omega>>>Sephiroth, not my fault the FFVII writers you love so much have no friggin concept of continuity.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Sure thing Tom.2. Magic powers? There is no difference between magic and any other source of power, saying "It's Majik!" is not a viable debating tactic. Kain has not proven to be immune to any of Pyron's powers, only Pyron's powers are actually efficent to use against Kain.
1. Relax Violent2Dope
2. Its a diffrent degree of power, thinking just becaue someone can survive a physical punch doesnt mean they have the same resistance to fire, lightning, ice, or curses, or mind powers or illusions or having your soul ripped out etc etc
Originally posted by Terryc250The entire Lifestream backed by the will of Aerith, who in death is incredibly powerful.
Lifestream was capable of disintegrating meteor remember? It destroyed sephiroth body when he first jumped in. Ruvie was exposed to it and died instantly when the first form of NL came to Midgar when it stopped meteor. Denzel just being by Ruvie's body was contracted with geostigma. Obviously it can harm people, even Sephiroths sword is made by the NL.
The Nega Lifestream is a pitiful amount of power compared to the whole thing.
Ruvie is a normal human.
Sephiroth's sword is a solid weapon which has feats, and even then, it has never harmed anyone of signifigant durability.
With Chateau Romani Link's magical energy is limitless.
Even if Kain wanted to "Regulate" and cut off his magic, it'd be a paradox. Infinite and unending magic trying to be drained? It's an infinite. So doing that would be useless.
Link would there be able to use his Spells and magical items, & have the following equipment on.
Equipment:
Head: (OoT) Zora Tunic
Back: (ALtTP) Magic Cape-making him for ever invisible/intangible/invulnerable
Body: (OoT) Zora Tunic
Weapon: Light Sword (powered up Master Sword with Sols in TP)
Shield: (OoT) Mirror Shield
Shoes: (ALtTP) Pegasus Boots + Roc Feather
Gloves: (OoT) Golden Gauntlets
Slung around his back: Hero's Bow & Quiver [holds 100] (TP) + Hawk Eye [increases accuracy and distance to use Bow at]
Quiver Ammo: 20 Ice Arrows, 30 Silver Arrows, 50 Light Arrows
Hanging at his Right side: Long-Shot (OoT)
Hanging at his Left side: Gale boomerang
Pouch Contains; 5 Deku Nuts, Ether Medallion, Quake Medallion, Bombos Medallion, 2 Bottles (Chateau Romani & Fairy or Red Water of Life) Fierce Deity Mask.
Powder Keg.
Pet/Minion
Bow-Wow
Magic & Powers:[excluding "Spell"]
Din's Fire
Farore's Wind
Nayru's Love
http://zs.ffshrine.org/album/ocarina-of-time/inst-us/26-27.jpg
Blood is a specialized bodily fluid that delivers necessary substances to the body's cells — such as nutrients and oxygen — and transports waste products away from those same cells.
Oxygen is the key word. The Zora Tunic has proven to be able to give Link and unlimited supply of Oxygen in situations where he normally wouldn't. (i.e. under water) But it'd be reasonable to assume that Link would be able to use the Zora Tunic to survive in Outer Space above the Exosphere where oxygen is low to none. So even if Kain was to begin to siphon and pour out blood from Link, Link would still have a sufficient Oxygen supply to fight, move and perform normal actions. Even if this idea doesn't settle well, Link is still invisible/invulnerable/intangible by means of Magic Cape.
Now honestly, I don't think Kain is going to stand a chance this time around against a composite Link. I feel I fairly restricted his items and equipment based on what an actual and personal human would be able to carry. Personally he'd even be able to carry a second weapon. If you feel the Zora Tunic isn't enough we can go to Zora Armor.
Item info: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Items_and_Weapons_of_The_Legend_of_Zelda_series
Originally posted by Burning thoughti thought Kain gets one of the opponent's best ability
Kain doesnt drain magic but for the sake of lulz can you show me that weird thing you mentioned, what is Chateau RomaniAnd you still cannot live while having your blood sprayed around like firtaliser, soon any Strength or speed advantage Link had will be Kains as well.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Bandwagon? You're generally not very smart, so I generally ignore most you say. Show Ganon doing something? Cannot recall.I have always been on the "anti-Sephiroth bandwagon" jack. And you are using the idiotic and infamous A>B>C logic tactic, do not do it, and by feats Chaos and Omega>>>Sephiroth, not my fault the FFVII writers you love so much have no friggin concept of continuity.
Everytime you try to say Zant does this and that, Ganon does this and that. I ask you to show me, you disappear.
Like it or not A>B>C logic works over 90% of the time. And rarely fails, I can give you probably 200 times it has worked, and i bet you can't even name 10 times it has failed.
In terms of feats Chaos/Omega is not > Sephiroth. I've numerously given you reason after reason why Sephiroth has done much more then them, and is capable of doing much more then them. Yet you ignore it because you're blinded by your bandwagon's ideology.
Me, being a fan of the FF7 compilation, reading the guides, playing just about every FF7 game, except the cellphone game one. In my opinion, I agree with the words the creators have said. So whos side holds more weight? The creators and mine, or yours?
The entire Lifestream backed by the will of Aerith, who in death is incredibly powerful.The Nega Lifestream is a pitiful amount of power compared to the whole thing.
Ruvie is a normal human.
Sephiroth's sword is a solid weapon which has feats, and even then, it has never harmed anyone of signifigant durability.
The whole thing wasn't what disintegrated meteor.
And? The fact is NL is harmful. Portion of the lifestream was capable of disintegrating Meteor. Sephiroth's NL is atleast capable of harming physical beings. Again, if we look at the fact Sephiroths sword was made out of a bit of the lifestream yet is able to chop columns of concrete and buildings while lighting them ablaze, how much damage could a metropolis city worth of the NL do?
Also keep in mind that Ruvie who was exposed to the NL had black fluid running out of all the holes in her remains, Denzel being close to Ruvies body was contracted with Geostigma. Being attacked by NL can very well infect a person body with J-cells/Geostigma.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain doesnt drain magic but for the sake of lulz can you show me that weird thing you mentioned, what is Chateau RomaniAnd you still cannot live while having your blood sprayed around like firtaliser, soon any Strength or speed advantage Link had will be Kains as well.
I don't think you understand, blood is only important because it carries oxygen and other nutrients. If a person has other means of an infinite oxygen supply, then blood becomes void.
And now, what? Kain doesn't "drain" magic but what does he do? He can just magically shut it off now? Bull. I read up on it and it's obvious he is the guardian to the pillar of Balance. Who Regulate Magic. Balance & Regulate, when used together in that obvious context, is meant to make sure there is an even steady flow of magic. Even if, he could control it, what? he has to take it away or cut it off at some source, but how can he do that to an infinite supply and unending source? He couldn't, it'd be a paradox and infinite.
He'd be able to take Link's normal Hylian strength and speed advantages, but not the items he obtains. Items don't contain blood in which to offer up their power.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Chateau_Romani
when you play the game Majora's Mask you have 72 hours to complete the game before the Moon Crashes. If you were to drink at 12:00 AM on the 1st day it will last till your final fight against Majora and then the game ends. So it's obvious that when drank it would be able to supply a person with infinite source of magic.
Originally posted by Terryc250What about people who has a great immune system or those who survived weren't killed off instantly? this information will be very helpful because the only ones that seem to die faster are mostly kids who's systems aren't very good.
Right, I can say that about you as well.Everytime you try to say Zant does this and that, Ganon does this and that. I ask you to show me, you disappear.
Like it or not A>B>C logic works over 90% of the time. And rarely fails, I can give you probably 200 times it has worked, and i bet you can't even name 10 times it has failed.
In terms of feats Chaos/Omega is not > Sephiroth. I've numerously given you reason after reason why Sephiroth has done much more then them, and is capable of doing much more then them. Yet you ignore it because you're blinded by your bandwagon's ideology.
Me, being a fan of the FF7 compilation, reading the guides, playing just about every FF7 game, except the cellphone game one. In my opinion, I agree with the words the creators have said. So whos side holds more weight? The creators and mine, or yours?
.. Where the hell did you get that from? When has Aeris had "will" to make the lifestream more powerful then it is? If she led the lifestream, that's all she did. She didn't amp it up with some power.
The whole thing wasn't what disintegrated meteor.
And? The fact is NL is harmful. Portion of the lifestream was capable of disintegrating Meteor. Sephiroth's NL is atleast capable of harming physical beings. Again, if we look at the fact Sephiroths sword was made out of a bit of the lifestream yet is able to chop columns of concrete and buildings while lighting them ablaze, how much damage could a metropolis city worth of the NL do?
Also keep in mind that Ruvie who was exposed to the NL had black fluid running out of all the holes in her remains, Denzel being close to Ruvies body was contracted with Geostigma. Being attacked by NL can very well infect a person body with J-cells/Geostigma.
Originally posted by Voyeur
I don't think you understand, blood is only important because it carries oxygen and other nutrients. If a person has other means of an infinite oxygen supply, then blood becomes void.And now, what? Kain doesn't "drain" magic but what does he do? He can just magically shut it off now? Bull. I read up on it and it's obvious he is the guardian to the pillar of Balance. Who Regulate Magic. Balance & Regulate, when used together in that obvious context, is meant to make sure there is an even steady flow of magic. Even if, he could control it, what? he has to take it away or cut it off at some source, but how can he do that to an infinite supply and unending source? He couldn't, it'd be a paradox and infinite.
He'd be able to take Link's normal Hylian strength and speed advantages, but not the items he obtains. Items don't contain blood in which to offer up their power.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Chateau_Romani
when you play the game Majora's Mask you have 72 hours to complete the game before the Moon Crashes. If you were to drink at 12:00 AM on the 1st day it will last till your final fight against Majora and then the game ends. So it's obvious that when drank it would be able to supply a person with infinite source of magic.
That tunic doesnt say it gives him infnite Oxygen, it just says it lets him breathe underwater. Theres a diffrence, because being able to breathe underwater is the lack of requirement for Oxygen.
HIs role is to balance everyone in Nosgoth, his power he has to balance is regulation, but he never followed his role in the beginning of the games canon, hes not likely to do it against Link, certainly not going to reserve himself in any way, shape or form. And you can break an infnite source, by cutting off the source. If you had a jet of water that fired its supply round a circuit and back to itself, starting the water around again. Its infnite, but you can smash/block the entrance..stopping the circuit.
Items "should" have blood for lulz....but no they dont... 🙁
Although thats an assumption, you cant assume it will go on forever especially when it actually states "for three days". You cant blame the game lasting that long for it not being longer.
But you can assume that Kain is able to rupture hearts and cause cardiac arrest even though he isn't capable of doing that with in the game? Please. Do not squander me with hopes of romantics to make Kain be able to break out of game mechanics and Link not too. You're not Terry and I like debating with you.
The Chateau Romani can bless you with infinite magic the entire start of game play through out the end. It's obvious that if you'd continue to go on and play that your Magic would become unyielding.
Water isn't infinite. It has to come from some where actually, and you can find that point and cut it off. But where are you going to find this source? It's just there. In Existence. Flowing through the Hero and allowing him to use his magic with out consequence.
So, Magic Cape. Spells, etc. Composite Link w/ out spell or full triforce.
As for the Blue Tunic/Zora Tunic or Zora Armor. I'd have to supply you with more detail in which they're capable of and then go into detail of how Fish and other things breathe under water.
