Originally posted by Genesis
I'll see your Tank and raise you a bearded Troll.I'll see your Smoker and raise you a Licker.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. This battle is restricted to Majini, Matured Las Plagas, and non-human Las Plagas infected (meaning adjule).
I don't even know what a bearded Troll is, and Lickers were not being produced in the Majini metropolis, so they are not a part of this fight.
Originally posted by Genesis
I'll see your Hunter and raise you an Adjule.
Personally, I don't see how an Adjule could possibly compare to a Hunter, but I haven't seen any footage of Adjules attacking, so *shrugs*...
Originally posted by Genesis
I'd say the Majini have more military based tactics considering they use firearms, among other things.
Mental capacity to wield firearms =/= military level strategizing.
Originally posted by Genesis
What? Why? I'd love to see a Witch even step to a Chainsaw Majini or even a Hyena Adjule.
...Witches are more powerful than Tanks. Tanks are stupidly strong.
Originally posted by Genesis
They're almost mindless. The Majini are exceedingly intelligent compared to the Infected. Also, the Majini are far more durable.
Sort of. The Horde are generally brainless, with only the instinct to spread the Infection. The Special Infected, however, are very intelligent, particularly in their preferred style of dealing with opponents.
Also, last I checked, Majini went down by bullets the same as Horde, so they can't be that durable.
Originally posted by Genesis
A tank can hurl concrete? He can't handle four humans with guns. Imagine soldier Majini with guns, crossbows, molotovs, etc.
Wrong. A Tank can easily handle four humans with guns, unless the humans know how to bait it well. Majini as a whole are not fast or smart enough to bait a Tank.
Soldier Majini are non-existent here, because the metropolis wasn't a military installation. Axes and chainsaws, even though the types from RE are a little stupid, are relatively easy to find in a big city, which is why Axe and Chainsaw Majini are allowed.
Some might get their hands on firearms, but nowhere near the level of firepower they could get from a military base. Out of the weapons you've listed, molotovs are probably the greatest threat to a Tank, and even then it also makes the Tank move faster.
Originally posted by Genesis
Get real.
This is unnecessary. It does nothing to add to the debate as a whole. Try not to do it again, please.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
...Witches are more powerful than Tanks. Tanks are stupidly strong.
I have to disagree on this. Tanks are more useful and stronger. A witch has to sit there crying until someone bothers her. A Tank just destroys everything in its path. A Witch also has one target so the Witches here can only kill 10 zombies. Tank is way more durable as well.
Originally posted by niduin
i give it to the The Majini because they are actually part of a cult (kind of) not mindless beings of killing so they are more organized and also when you shooth their heads off they are still alive
They're usually organized by the Agitator, which is indeed part of this battle, but other than that, I don't consider them all that more organized.
As for shooting their heads and living, if you've read the first post, you should know that only a set number of Majini will have their Las Plagas matured. Depending on the types, it may or may not give them an advantage.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I have to disagree on this. Tanks are more useful and stronger. A witch has to sit there crying until someone bothers her. A Tank just destroys everything in its path. A Witch also has one target so the Witches here can only kill 10 zombies. Tank is way more durable as well.
You've brought up the matter of versatility, not the matter of power. Yes, Tanks are much more useful than Witches as a whole, but Witches are stronger than Tanks, and proven by canon. A Tank can not one-hit incapacitate/kill a survivor when said survivor is at full health, or even in the green. A Witch can.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
You've brought up the matter of versatility, not the matter of power. Yes, Tanks are much more useful than Witches as a whole, but Witches are stronger than Tanks, and proven by canon. A Tank can not one-hit incapacitate/kill a survivor when said survivor is at full health, or even in the green. A Witch can.
In game on expert it can. Out of game via cutscene and whatnot we haven't seen a survivor get hit by a Tank for obvious reasons nor a Witch. Witches can't break walls or knock cars around.
Originally posted by niduin
im sorry but that is contradictory, the parasite is said to mature within seconds.
It is not contradictory at all, good sir. I have not limited the speed with which a Matured Las Plagas will manifest, I have only limited the number of Majini who will have their parasites mature. It is canon that not every Majini who is shot will transform.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In game on expert it can. Out of game via cutscene and whatnot we haven't seen a survivor get hit by a Tank for obvious reasons nor a Witch. Witches can't break walls or knock cars around.
This is true. In fact, I think I will concede, because now that I think about it, a majority of the Witch's killing power may actually come from her claws, which is something the Tank lacks.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
This is true. In fact, I think I will concede, because now that I think about it, a majority of the Witch's killing power may actually come from her claws, which is something the Tank lacks.
Yeah I think they made her a one hit incap because she wouldn't be much of a threat if you were able to keep running while she was hitting you. It would be too easy to handle her.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Witches could be more deadly then Tanks, but she's just an emo freak who will only attack 1 person. If the witch went around attacking all the other survivors she could be alot more deadly then a Tank, she's much faster, and incaps survivors in 1 hit.
Very true. She is emo because she can't change her tampon without scratching herself and giving her a hystarectomy or however you spell it.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
If she had more health it might be. In any case, it's still easy to handle her for veteran players by now. They all know how to Cr0wn her. XD
Yeah we all own the witch now. If only a Tank was able to do that.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Witches could be more deadly then Tanks, but she's just an emo freak who will only attack 1 person. If the witch went around attacking all the other survivors she could be alot more deadly then a Tank, she's much faster, and incaps survivors in 1 hit.
True, but lethality =/= power.
This thread is starting to get derailed. I ask that any further posts resume the debate.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. This battle is restricted to Majini, Matured Las Plagas, and non-human Las Plagas infected (meaning adjule).
Las Plagas? Do you mean Type 2 Plagas? Also, Majini *ALL* have their Type 2 Plagas matured within seconds.
From the game itself:
"Type 2 Plagas differs from its predecessor in that
it is administered in its mature state, and from
that point the host can almost immediately be
controlled. "
I don't even know what a bearded Troll is, and Lickers were not being produced in the Majini metropolis, so they are not a part of this fight.
Ndesu. It's a giant troll entity in the RE5 game. I'd consider it a non-human Type 2 Plagas specimen. Therefore, according to your rules, it can enter the fight.
Don't even try saying the Tank would chuck concrete at it. The Ndesu uses giant steel pipes in the game. The concrete would bounce off of it's body. Hell, bullets bounce off of it's body. Literally.
Personally, I don't see how an Adjule could possibly compare to a Hunter, but I haven't seen any footage of Adjules attacking, so *shrugs*...
I've played and beaten the game. They're agile, they pounce, they're strong and they turn into something quite fierce. Hyenas and dogs alike.
Mental capacity to wield firearms =/= military level strategizing.
I'm not sure what "=/=" means. Could you explain?
...Witches are more powerful than Tanks. Tanks are stupidly strong.
How so? A Tank is wholesomely larger and stronger than a witch. A tank can smack a car into the air and tear concrete out of the ground. A witch can run and scratch.
Sort of. The Horde are generally brainless, with only the instinct to spread the Infection. The Special Infected, however, are very intelligent, particularly in their preferred style of dealing with opponents.
The generic Majini have about as much intelligence as the special infected. That means the evolved Majini and the more advanced specimens exceed the intelligence of the lesser forms. This means the special infected could have difficulty with regular Majini.
Also, last I checked, Majini went down by bullets the same as Horde, so they can't be that durable.
It takes several bullets. Sometimes, the Majini won't even fall at first or will transform. Save two kinds of special infected, most of the infected are dropped with few gun shots. In particular, the regular infected.
Wrong. A Tank can easily handle four humans with guns, unless the humans know how to bait it well. Majini as a whole are not fast or smart enough to bait a Tank.
No. Tanks have difficulties and succumb to the survivors. That's four. How many Majini did you see wielding guns in RE5? Can you count? Did you see how some were armored? Some had the capacity to have shields? The gatling gun Majini?
Wait, the Majini aren't fast? They can run, jump, climb and some can even jump significant distances. Like, from the ground to the roof of a building.
Soldier Majini are non-existent here, because the metropolis wasn't a military installation. Axes and chainsaws, even though the types from RE are a little stupid, are relatively easy to find in a big city, which is why Axe and Chainsaw Majini are allowed.
They're non-existent in your scenario because the infected would lose with them involved. What difference is there? The Majini cut down several infected and begin to throw these axes, bottles, machetes, shovels, pipe wrenches, etc. The crossbow Majini are in the metropolis. What about the metropolis Majini that throw dynamite? Molotovs?
Some might get their hands on firearms, but nowhere near the level of firepower they could get from a military base. Out of the weapons you've listed, molotovs are probably the greatest threat to a Tank, and even then it also makes the Tank move faster.
You fail at physics. Fire doesn't make something faster. It's probably the other way around. I'd say the greatest threat to a tank would be getting axed, bowed and molotov'd by crazed Majini.
This is unnecessary. It does nothing to add to the debate as a whole. Try not to do it again, please.
Actually, it does. You need to or you really shouldn't reply. I know L4D is fun but the Majini have all of the capabilities of the infected and then some.
Oh, I had no idea we were using game mechanics. In that case, the Majini win. On the Professional difficulty, the Majini hit you once and you're in "Dying" mode. This means that you have either ten seconds for your partner to heal you or another hit from a Majini equals pwnage. You don't get several chances like on L4D.