The Infected (Left 4 Dead) vs. The Majini (Resident Evil 5)

The Majini.

Lesser forms of Majini are quite smarter than the Infected, able to sometimes duck/sidestep through gunfire and wield weapons with precision like chainsaws, chainguns, and even rocket launchers.
The stronger forms are deadlier. If you hit them with a headshot, often mature Las Plagas pop out of their heads and swing at you, taking huge chunks out of your health.

And like what Genesis said, in Pro mode, at the start of the game it only takes 2 hits from the weakest Majini to kill you.

Originally posted by Genesis

Don't even try saying the Tank would chuck concrete at it. The Ndesu uses giant steel pipes in the game. The concrete would bounce off of it's body. Hell, bullets bounce off of it's body. Literally.

He runs up and slaps him or slaps a huge object into him.

I'm not sure what "[b]=/=" means. Could you explain?

Does not equal.

How so? A Tank is wholesomely larger and stronger than a witch. A tank can smack a car into the air and tear concrete out of the ground. A witch can run and scratch.

He has already conceded this point.

The generic Majini have about as much intelligence as the special infected. That means the evolved Majini and the more advanced specimens exceed the intelligence of the lesser forms. This means the special infected could have difficulty with regular Majini.

Boomers are fat ninjas, Hunters are extremely agile and fast. Smokers are sneaky and Tanks own.

It takes several bullets. Sometimes, the Majini won't even fall at first or will transform. Save two kinds of special infected, most of the infected are dropped with few gun shots. In particular, the regular infected.

The only bullets that one shot Infected are shotguns up close and high caliber hunting rifle bullets that shoot through almost anything. ARs uzis and pistols can't one shot any infected outside of a boomer or head shot.

No. Tanks have difficulties and succumb to the survivors. That's four. How many Majini did you see wielding guns in RE5? Can you count? Did you see how some were armored? Some had the capacity to have shields? The gatling gun Majini?

No, personal experience with a tank means nothing here. If you watch the intro video you'll see that they kept running from the Tank. They didn't even kill it, they only escaped to the point where he couldn't get them. Doesn't matter how many of them wield guns or gatling guns. There are no shields nor gatling guns in this battlefield. Xanatos did a good job being as descriptive as possible.

Wait, the Majini aren't fast? They can run, jump, climb and some can even jump significant distances. Like, from the ground to the roof of a building.

So can a hunter.

They're non-existent in your scenario because the infected would lose with them involved. What difference is there? The Majini cut down several infected and begin to throw these axes, bottles, machetes, shovels, pipe wrenches, etc. The crossbow Majini are in the metropolis. What about the metropolis Majini that throw dynamite? Molotovs?

More like he is trying to keep it balanced, axes, machetes, shovels, wrenches and crossbows will bounce right off of the Tank.

You fail at physics. Fire doesn't make something faster. It's probably the other way around. I'd say the greatest threat to a tank would be getting axed, bowed and molotov'd by crazed Majini.

Its a part of the game's physics, just like shooting a Majin's head off doesn't always kill it. I'm so sure if I were to light your ass on fire then you'd run as fast as possible. Tanks on fire run faster, that is fact. Axes and bows will bounce right off of him seeing as bullets barely pierce his skin.

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer
The Majini.

Lesser forms of Majini are quite smarter than the Infected, able to sometimes duck/sidestep through gunfire and wield weapons with precision like chainsaws, chainguns, and even rocket launchers.
The stronger forms are deadlier. If you hit them with a headshot, often mature Las Plagas pop out of their heads and swing at you, taking huge chunks out of your health.

And like what Genesis said, in Pro mode, at the start of the game it only takes 2 hits from the weakest Majini to kill you.

There are no chainguns or rocket launchers here so that point is moot. Anyway a Tank has proven to be durable to gatling gun bullets as well.

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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
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Xanatos didn't clarify that either of these are at the "hard" level or "pro" setting and he simply wouldn't because that is a GAME MECHANIC. It is null and void to the discussion.

I don't see where the Majini have more military and tactical thought just because they are shown to be able to use and carry weapons. If I give some kids guns, they just go 'pew pew', they don't have plans and ambushes.

The Infected on the other hand have shown to be able to set up ambush points and smokers especially. They're able to grab you at your weakest hour and just strike while you split away from the group. That can be the same fate for a Majini with a threatening weapon, he can be dragged away in the field or up a skyscraper.

The infected are obviously meant to work together and cooperate as a team. And zombies have an innate ability to know that. hence, bile from boomers, and hunters teaming up with smokers. Tanks and Witches do not need true support but with those numbers, it's obvious they'd get it.

And, just because in game play guns don't fall out of your hand, doesn't mean in a real match if some one chucked giant concrete at you and hit your weapon, chances are it would drop. So the Tank can act as archers in times of war.

and the witch would be able to shred and attack at speeds above the majini, pinning and rapping a target she locked on to very fast. And then quickly moving to the next. It wouldn't take that long to kill a Majini for her. let alone she's free to go ballistic and attack any I think after focusing on one.

The Infected are fast. Tanks are full of pure muscle and speed. The normal horde are quick and react and RUN, the witch is a blitz of speed. Hunters can leap and react and are agile, with great reflexes. Smokers get around probably a little faster then the Majini's speeds but he can kite and snipe, so it's not a huge need. Even boomers with all their gurth and weight are able to get around the city through climbing and such.

Their abilities are just more impressive and are meant to cooperate with each others.

The Majini are just symbiotes with guns going pew pew. They don't actually have abilities to team up and help each other.

Originally posted by Genesis
Las Plagas? Do you mean Type 2 Plagas? Also, Majini *ALL* have their Type 2 Plagas matured within seconds.

From the game itself:

"Type 2 Plagas differs from its predecessor in that
it is administered in its mature state, and from
that point the host can almost immediately be
controlled. "

Thanks for the quote, but answer me this: does every single Majini you shoot have their parasite mature, or do some of them just die? From what little experience I had with the game, I didn't see tentacles bursting out of heads when I shot Majini, but that may have been because it was a demo. Regardless, I've already stated in the rule set that the number of Matured Las Plagas has been limited for the sake of balance.

Originally posted by Genesis
Ndesu. It's a giant troll entity in the RE5 game. I'd consider it a non-human Type 2 Plagas specimen. Therefore, according to your rules, it can enter the fight.

This fight is supposed to be between two generic entities: the Infected and the Majini. Therefore, despite it being a Type 2 Plagas specimen, it is not allowed. Show me something to convince me that Ndesu can be considered Majini, and I'll rescend my verdict.

Originally posted by Genesis
Don't even try saying the Tank would chuck concrete at it. The Ndesu uses giant steel pipes in the game. The concrete would bounce off of it's body. Hell, bullets bounce off of it's body. Literally.

See above.

Originally posted by Genesis
I've played and beaten the game. They're agile, they pounce, they're strong and they turn into something quite fierce. Hyenas and dogs alike.

Do they hunt in packs or are they single fighters? Except for the transformation, you could easily translate that description to a Hunter, so yes, I see your reasoning for comparing them. That doesn't mean I think an Adjule can take on a Hunter.

Oh, and the whole transformation bit? Still under the Matured Plagas limit, so you don't think that you can have a swarm of transformed Adjule running amok. *sighs* Maybe I should've specified more...

Originally posted by Genesis
I'm not sure what "=/=" means. Could you explain?

Gladly, in case you haven't heard it from someone else. It basically translates to "does not equal." So, in the context of the last message, the mental capacity to wield a firearm does not equal the ability of military level strategy.

Originally posted by Genesis
How so? A Tank is wholesomely larger and stronger than a witch. A tank can smack a car into the air and tear concrete out of the ground. A witch can run and scratch.

This is a moot point, as I've already conceded that the Witch is not stronger than a tank, just deadlier.

Originally posted by Genesis
The generic Majini have about as much intelligence as the special infected. That means the evolved Majini and the more advanced specimens exceed the intelligence of the lesser forms. This means the special infected could have difficulty with regular Majini.

I'm willing to admit that I don't really know about the intelligence of Majini, since I only have the experience from a demo I played briefly.

Originally posted by Genesis
It takes several bullets. Sometimes, the Majini won't even fall at first or will transform. Save two kinds of special infected, most of the infected are dropped with few gun shots. In particular, the regular infected.

It takes just as many rounds for Infected to drop, unless they get a face full of buckshot or sniped by a hunting rifle. Do the Majini feel pain? Considering that getting shot makes them stagger, I'm willing to say they do. The Infected don't feel pain, so even while they're getting shot, they're still coming at you, and they come fast. The weakest of the Special Infected, the Boomer, can still take at least one pistol shot before going down, and when it does it goes with a bang.

Originally posted by Genesis
No. Tanks have difficulties and succumb to the survivors. That's four. How many Majini did you see wielding guns in RE5? Can you count? Did you see how some were armored? Some had the capacity to have shields? The gatling gun Majini?

You're still basing a lot of this off of the fact that the Majini were near a military installation, where they had access to that kind of equipment. That's not the case in this fight. Base and GG Majini are not a part of this fight. You shouldn't let that worry you, though. You still have quite a few options.

Originally posted by Genesis
Wait, the Majini aren't fast? They can run, jump, climb and some can even jump significant distances. Like, from the ground to the roof of a building.

If you wouldn't mind, could you show me a video of them doing so? I've only seen trailers and played the demo briefly, and from those, I've seen them climb, walk menacingly, and take swings at the PC. So I don't consider them fast.

Originally posted by Genesis
They're non-existent in your scenario because the infected would lose with them involved.

You might be right. Certainly the Infected are at a disadvantage, since they have to get into melee range to do much anything (except the Special Infected). I am trying to make a balanced battle, after all. In any case, there was no need to point it out. In fact, it's somewhat rude, as it sounds like your accusing me of trying to tilt it in favor of the Infected, which I'm not.

Originally posted by Genesis
What difference is there? The Majini cut down several infected and begin to throw these axes, bottles, machetes, shovels, pipe wrenches, etc. The crossbow Majini are in the metropolis. What about the metropolis Majini that throw dynamite? Molotovs?

Yes, good idea, throw away the weapons that are allowing you to survive. I can understand a few crossbow Majini being around after finding crossbows in sports hunting shops and the like, just like some Majini will have pistols, maybe the occasional rifle.

Dynamite? Uhh, maybe, but that's a big maybe. I don't think dynamite is usually just lying around. Again, the only real obstacle I see so far is the molotovs.

Originally posted by Genesis
You fail at physics.

You're quite the rude one, aren't you? 😬

Originally posted by Genesis
Fire doesn't make something faster. It's probably the other way around. I'd say the greatest threat to a tank would be getting axed, bowed and molotov'd by crazed Majini.

Fair enough, I should have worded myself better. The fire doesn't make the Tank move faster, the Tank just moves faster when it's on fire. Does that sound better? Bows and molotovs I can understand, but I don't really think thrown axes could hurt the Tank. Maybe an Axe Majini could do some damage.

Originally posted by Genesis
Actually, it does.

No. Telling someone to "get real" is in no way constructive criticism, or a rebuttal to any current remarks. It's just bashing.

Originally posted by Genesis
You need to or you really shouldn't reply.

As is this. In your reply, I sincerely hope that you be more civil.

Originally posted by Genesis
I know L4D is fun but the Majini have all of the capabilities of the infected and then some.

I'm sure RE5 is a blast as well, but popularity does not equal victory in this particular debate.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
The Majini.

Lesser forms of Majini are quite smarter than the Infected, able to sometimes duck/sidestep through gunfire and wield weapons with precision like chainsaws, chainguns, and even rocket launchers.
The stronger forms are deadlier. If you hit them with a headshot, often mature Las Plagas pop out of their heads and swing at you, taking huge chunks out of your health.

And like what Genesis said, in Pro mode, at the start of the game it only takes 2 hits from the weakest Majini to kill you.

Originally posted by Genesis
Oh, I had no idea we were using game mechanics. In that case, the Majini win. On the Professional difficulty, the Majini hit you once and you're in "Dying" mode. This means that you have either ten seconds for your partner to heal you or another hit from a Majini equals pwnage. You don't get several chances like on L4D.

I'm trying not to rely on game mechanics, considering they unrealistically limit actions.

destroyer, chainguns and rocket launchers are not likely to be found in a civilan city, though I'm sure other firearms would be. Also, if you'd read the first post, you would know that there is a limited amount of Matured parasites that will manifest.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
None of them have anything on a tank. Tanks are far more durable and wreak havoc all over the place. It takes a lot of bullets to kill a tank.

Ndesu would lift a Tank over it's head and rip it in half =|

But anyways, Ndesu isn't in this match, because I do believe that they needed to be created in labs and stuff, not just mutate from some normal human.

I would say that the Majini COULD win if they get their hands on firearms.

The Majini, although they do feel pain, manage to shrug off gunshot wounds.

And I would say The Infected are slightly faster then the Majini

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Stronger versions of Majini, the Ndesus, are twice or thrice as huge as Tanks.
I don't think that punch/slap will even inflict any damage at all to a Ndesu.

Can't believe I missed this post, but I believe I've already explained it earlier. Thus far, Ndesu is considered a Type 2 Plagas specimen, but not inherently Majini. If you can provide me with some form of evidence to the contrary, I will revise my decision.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
The Majini, although they do feel pain, manage to shrug off gunshot wounds.

This is the only part I have any real need to comment. Unless gameplay has changed significantly from the demo, Majini most certainly do not simply shrug off bullet wounds. They realistically stagger, which is at least one second of time lost in the recognition of pain. The Horde don't feel pain at all, so they can get hit by a bullet in the shoulder or leg, and still keep going.

Normal people would be down on the ground screaming in pain if shot. The Majini, although do grimace in pain, manage to keep fighting.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
Normal people would be down on the ground screaming in pain if shot. The Majini, although do grimace in pain, manage to keep fighting.

Bullshit! I dare you to shoot me right now and watch me take it with ease.

😐

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Bullshit! I dare you to shoot me right now and watch me take it with ease.

Entertaining though that might be, this particular comment does nothing to expand the debate. I can appreciate humor, I just ask that you try not to spam. 🙂

Fing, yes, most average citizens would indeed drop from a single bullet wound, and the fact the Majini only stagger does prove they're a cut above regular people, but the fact they stagger is enough to put them at a disadvantage. One second is all it would take for a Smoker to ensnare a Majini distracted by pain.

He runs up and slaps him or slaps a huge object into him.

No. The Ndesu would just stomp him. The tank's slap would do nothing. The Ndesu is much larger and stronger.

Does not equal.

Thank you very much. I've seen that around lately and I'm like "WTF?"

Boomers are fat ninjas, Hunters are extremely agile and fast. Smokers are sneaky and Tanks own.

You seem biased. Instead of gathered explanations, you just go on about how good the infected are compared the Majini. What makes them better? The Majini are fast. They're sneaky (We seem them hiding in boxes and doors) and they have the power that the infected do as well. They can smash through concrete (As seen in the Public Assembly level) they can push down barriers you put up (Like huge shelves.) and they can bust up doors. They're like the infected EXCEPT for one detail; The Majini are far superior when it comes to intelligence.

The only bullets that one shot Infected are shotguns up close and high caliber hunting rifle bullets that shoot through almost anything. ARs uzis and pistols can't one shot any infected outside of a boomer or head shot.

Actually, a pistol can take down a regular infected in just a few shots.

No, personal experience with a tank means nothing here. If you watch the intro video you'll see that they kept running from the Tank. They didn't even kill it, they only escaped to the point where he couldn't get them. Doesn't matter how many of them wield guns or gatling guns. There are no shields nor gatling guns in this battlefield. Xanatos did a good job being as descriptive as possible.

Canon of the game dictates and assumes the main players make it through each film without losses. This overrides gameplay mechanics. This would mean they've survived Tanks and have killed them. For example, there wouldn't be a "Dead Air" campaign if not for that cutscene in "Death Toll" and the survivors making it to the end, right? If the Tanks won (Canonically) no more survivors.

So can a hunter.

Yes, but most Majini are capable of this. The Hunter is a special infected.

More like he is trying to keep it balanced, axes, machetes, shovels, wrenches and crossbows will bounce right off of the Tank.

That's a lie. In the game, bullets do not bounce off of the tank. Why would anything else? What evidence do you have they will bounce off of him? Blood spurts from him when the bullets make contact. I'm pretty sure this means that bullets enter him.

Its a part of the game's physics, just like shooting a Majin's head off doesn't always kill it. I'm so sure if I were to light your ass on fire then you'd run as fast as possible. Tanks on fire run faster, that is fact. Axes and bows will bounce right off of him seeing as bullets barely pierce his skin.

What the? You can't use game mechanics during a versus match-up.

Originally posted by XanatosForever

destroyer, chainguns and rocket launchers are not likely to be found in a civilan city, though I'm sure other firearms would be. Also, if you'd read the first post, you would know that there is a limited amount of Matured parasites that will manifest.

And? It would only take one well-placed Cephalo maturation to wipe out dozens upon dozens of infected.

Thanks for the quote, but answer me this: does every single Majini you shoot have their parasite mature, or do some of them just die?

They all have their parasites mature or they don't function as undead. Period. The Type 2 Plagas is already at a matured state when it enters it's host. Some do evolve into OTHER TYPES of Plagas forms but they're all matured.

From what little experience I had with the game, I didn't see tentacles bursting out of heads when I shot Majini, but that may have been because it was a demo. Regardless, I've already stated in the rule set that the number of Matured Las Plagas has been limited for the sake of balance.

The Type 2 Plagas is already matured. I said this minutes ago. You might as well limit the Majini entirely because every single one already has a matured virus type in them.

This fight is supposed to be between two generic entities: the Infected and the Majini. Therefore, despite it being a Type 2 Plagas specimen, it is not allowed. Show me something to convince me that Ndesu can be considered Majini, and I'll rescend my verdict.

How can it not be considered Majini? It is a host to the Type 2 Plagas. It's a descendant from El Gigante, which is a Las Plagas specimen. Why is it not allowed? Because the infected might lose? You're showing more bias here. It's upsetting.

You're not making it between two generic entities. You're basically saying that the generic Majini (And you've limited their transformation abilities) get to fight the infected and their boss infected. Why shouldn't the Majini get their bosses? I know why. The infected would lose. Quickly.

Do they hunt in packs or are they single fighters? Except for the transformation, you could easily translate that description to a Hunter, so yes, I see your reasoning for comparing them. That doesn't mean I think an Adjule can take on a Hunter.

Oh, and the whole transformation bit? Still under the Matured Plagas limit, so you don't think that you can have a swarm of transformed Adjule running amok. *sighs* Maybe I should've specified more.

It's not like the Majini where they sometimes transform. The dogs, after seconds, will transform. Always. Same with the hyenas. Why? The type 2 Plagas is ALREADY matured, as I've said a thousand times.

Gladly, in case you haven't heard it from someone else. It basically translates to "does not equal." So, in the context of the last message, the mental capacity to wield a firearm does not equal the ability of military level strategy.

I understand. Thank you for that.

I'm willing to admit that I don't really know about the intelligence of Majini, since I only have the experience from a demo I played briefly.

They can speak. They can use weapons. They're organized. They use tactics. They can drive vehicles. For crying out loud, they're much more intelligence than the infected. That's damn important.

It takes just as many rounds for Infected to drop, unless they get a face full of buckshot or sniped by a hunting rifle. Do the Majini feel pain? Considering that getting shot makes them stagger, I'm willing to say they do. The Infected don't feel pain, so even while they're getting shot, they're still coming at you, and they come fast. The weakest of the Special Infected, the Boomer, can still take at least one pistol shot before going down, and when it does it goes with a bang.

Staggering doesn't prove pain. Wow. The Majini can get up from shotgun blasts, without showing pain. Staggering back from the blast of a gun doesn't prove pain. Sorry. You'll have to do better. A pistol shot can take down an infected in one shot sometimes. A single pistol shot will never take down a Majini unless it is in the head. Sometimes, that doesn't even work or the Majini just transforms.

You're still basing a lot of this off of the fact that the Majini were near a military installation, where they had access to that kind of equipment. That's not the case in this fight. Base and GG Majini are not a part of this fight. You shouldn't let that worry you, though. You still have quite a few options.

Pardon? They were never near a military installation. Where are you getting your information from? There's a town, a village, mines, caves, an oil refinery, marshlands, a research facility, a boat, an airplane and a volcano.

If you wouldn't mind, could you show me a video of them doing so? I've only seen trailers and played the demo briefly, and from those, I've seen them climb, walk menacingly, and take swings at the PC. So I don't consider them fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFXjmoddjIU

First one you encounter runs at you. Throughout the rest of the game, they'll run, climb and jump until they're at you.

You might be right. Certainly the Infected are at a disadvantage, since they have to get into melee range to do much anything (except the Special Infected). I am trying to make a balanced battle, after all. In any case, there was no need to point it out. In fact, it's somewhat rude, as it sounds like your accusing me of trying to tilt it in favor of the Infected, which I'm not.

Well, the infected get everyone they've got in this scenario and the Majini don't. Is it not tilted? How can you say that you're not tilting it?

If the Majini had the crocodiles, the soldier Majini, the tribal Majini, Uroboros (Which is in the metropolis), Cephalos, U-8's, etc .... The infected would be damned. I understand you're trying to make a balanced battle but the Majini are deadly, even with the lower tier ones. The infected don't evolve as quickly as they do nor to the capability that they do in terms of viral infection speed. The Majini can use their tentacles at will (As seen in-game when they grab you) and even transform into something much deadlier (Sometimes) when killed.

Yes, good idea, throw away the weapons that are allowing you to survive. I can understand a few crossbow Majini being around after finding crossbows in sports hunting shops and the like, just like some Majini will have pistols, maybe the occasional rifle.

Dynamite? Uhh, maybe, but that's a big maybe. I don't think dynamite is usually just lying around. Again, the only real obstacle I see so far is the molotovs.

They throw dynamite, though. They obviously pick up what they see. Even so, a few Majini with guns is a significant threat. They'd take out a considerate amount of infected just with those firearms. Then, if they run out of bullets, why not just take on them with another weapon or with their physical body?

You're quite the rude one, aren't you? erm

No, I'm not. If his example of physics is wrong, does he succeed?

Fair enough, I should have worded myself better. The fire doesn't make the Tank move faster, the Tank just moves faster when it's on fire. Does that sound better? Bows and molotovs I can understand, but I don't really think thrown axes could hurt the Tank. Maybe an Axe Majini could do some damage.

Why couldn't a thrown axe hurt the tank? There's no evidence to suggest his skin is made of steel. His tissue and muscle can still be penetrated.

No. Telling someone to "get real" is in no way constructive criticism, or a rebuttal to any current remarks. It's just bashing.

You can't tell me the intention of what I said. You can't. He needs to get real or he should not argue against me. His debating pattern is shoddy.

As is this. In your reply, I sincerely hope that you be more civil.

I am. I'm stating a fact. He shouldn't. His bias is incredible.

I'm sure RE5 is a blast as well, but popularity does not equal victory in this particular debate.

Who said it did?

Originally posted by Genesis

I am. I'm stating a fact. He shouldn't. His bias is incredible.

I ****ing hate zombies. I think they're stupid and make no sense, and you can ask any of my mates how them and I will go into debates about how retarded the un-dead are and the fact people feed their hype and love them, just makes it more retarded. So I'm completely indifferent to who wins here.

But from my time of watching and playing a bit of L4D and seeing how the Majini work, it's obvious who has more of an advantage.

Not every single Majini in this Versus match has a weapon. And only a restricted and limited amount of weapons even exist in the cities. They'd have to waste their time being able to look for them, when their main goal is to destroy the infected. So it's not top priority agenda for them to get their hands on these weapons.

the infected are clearly faster. Especially the Witch and Tank.
The Hunter has amazing reflexes and would ravage and kill in an instant, being able to fling and leap across the field pinning down and raping other Majini until he's finally brought down.

Smokers can snipe and take down Majini with weapons and who are more of a threat with ease and the others wouldn't help one who's being dragged away because their main goal once again, is to kill and destroy the infected, not comprehend to aid another.

Boomers can move around with such agility for their weight, it's ridiculous. They can crouch and wait and lead ambushes. And the infected certainly do know how to communicate with each other and set up these gurrellia war-fare tactics.

True, bow and arrows or melee weapons wouldn't be much of a threat or do damage to a Tank who is able to survive more much damaging weapons. It's canon fact the Tank is enraged and more violent while on flames. So is a Witch. It's just obvious the infected happen to react more violently when on fire and their want to survive increases, so their faster and stronger.

Originally posted by Voyeur
You really want to talk about that?

I ****ing hate zombies. I think they're stupid and make no sense, and you can ask any of my mates how them and I will go into debates about how retarded the un-dead are and the fact people feed their hype and love them, just makes it more retarded. So I'm completely indifferent to who wins here.

But from my time of watching and playing a bit of L4D and seeing how the Majini work, it's obvious who has more of an advantage.

Not every single Majini in this Versus match has a weapon. And only a restricted and limited amount of weapons even exist in the cities. They'd have to waste their time being able to look for them, when their main goal is to destroy the infected. So it's not top priority agenda for them to get their hands on these weapons.

Most of them do. I've played and beaten both games several times. Restricted and limited? It is clear Majini will use anything to their advantage. Even bottles. It's a sign of intelligence. I love the L4D Zombies and I'm a fan of the game but they're dumber and less organized. Hell, most of them fall victim to four intelligence, organized humans. It's obvious they stand no chance against opponents with shreds of intelligence.

the infected are clearly faster. Especially the Witch and Tank.
The Hunter has amazing reflexes and would ravage and kill in an instant, being able to fling and leap across the field pinning down and raping other Majini until he's finally brought down.

He'd be pouncing and he'd leap on one. Then what? Another Majini could take an axe or a shovel to him and have him on the ground.

The tanks are fast? It's irrelevant. One word: Ndesu.

The Majini have both power and intelligence. If we're playing with game mechanics here, the Majini are much stronger than the infected. They injure harder and are more difficult to kill.

Smokers can snipe and take down Majini with weapons and who are more of a threat with ease and the others wouldn't help one who's being dragged away because their main goal once again, is to kill and destroy the infected, not comprehend to aid another.

That doesn't make sense and you have no evidence of it either. They clearly have the intelligence to work together and aid each other. You've played the game, right?

Smokers can snipe? They capture one and they give away their position. BAM! A crossbow Majini shoots the smoker and it's game over. Hell, they were able to easily spot Chris and Sheva in the back of a house through the window. What's a smoker who clearly makes his position visible by extracting his tongue across the battlefield?

Boomers can move around with such agility for their weight, it's ridiculous. They can crouch and wait and lead ambushes. And the infected certainly do know how to communicate with each other and set up these gurrellia war-fare tactics.

Really? They can? Where's your evidence? I've seen them sit around, puke and fight each other. They're uncontrollable and stupid. They certainly don't know how to communicate. Boomers have low stamina, by the way. They'd drop quickly.

True, bow and arrows or melee weapons wouldn't be much of a threat or do damage to a Tank who is able to survive more much damaging weapons. It's canon fact the Tank is enraged and more violent while on flames. So is a Witch. It's just obvious the infected happen to react more violently when on fire and their want to survive increases, so their faster and stronger.

Actually, the general infected drop instantly when on fire, so the few special infected that do move faster when on fire are dying by fire. The Majini could take them out easily. Plus, they're illuminated targets.

Or they could come in on dirtbikes and trucks. They'd mow down so many.