Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Wasn't it kubix who said he thought eternity made the celestials? If not please post the scan of eternity saying it made them.
Eternity states that he created the Celestials through intense meditation or something of that nature.
I'll hunt down the scan, it's on here somewhere I'm sure.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Eternity states that he created the Celestials through intense meditation or something of that nature.I'll hunt down the scan, it's on here somewhere I'm sure.
You're speculating. All it says is that Tiamut was his device. It doesn't say all Celestials nor does it say him even created the Celestials. All it says is that he'd been looking for a companion since the big crunch and that Tiamut filled that role.
Here, I found the scan plus a 2nd scan that suggest Eternity is responsible for the creation of the Celestials.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You're speculating. All it says is that Tiamut was his device. It doesn't say all Celestials nor does it say him even created the Celestials. All it says is that he'd been looking for a companion since the big crunch and that Tiamut filled that role.Here, I found the scan plus a 2nd scan that suggest Eternity is responsible for the creation of the Celestials.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Not according to the guy who made them. But that's cool. You continue to argue about what was said on panel without telling me what makes it not true.
I think your understanding of things is lacking... Think about what your saying.....
1. Your assuming the Fulcrum is TOAA - nothing more then assumption based on some hyperbole. Words like all knowing, all powerful etc etc were thrown around. Those words have been used to describe many many different people.... Eternity, LT, Thanos with the IG and even Galactus. So, taking that to literally mean he's the TOAA is nothing more then an assumption TRUE OR FALSE?
2. Even if he is TOAA your then saying Tiamut is his equal... Now your notion and assumption are reaching epic levels. So, now your saying Tiamut can do anything it wants and is essentially the "pen" behind everything in Marvel. He's above the LT and can do anything is chooses. That is so left field it's not even funny to think that a celestial a celestial is now equal to the TOAA. That is the ludicris notion your pushing right?
3. Now again if the TOAA is the fulcrum he never said Tiamut was equal to him in all his power did he? He was talking about ONE particular aspect of power and that was the questioning things when other never did and being "outside"of time. So, again was there anything mentioned about Tiamut being just as powerful and as all knowing as TOAA. No the Fulcrum is clearing only talking about Tiamut questioning things and being the most powerful celestial. Furthermore, doesn't Tiamut call the Fulcrum all knowing and all powerful... thus doesn't that tell you that he's above Tiamut clearly. He didn't talk to him as his equal he talked to Fulcrum as if he was above him true or false?
This hyperbole and assumptions your pushing while ignoring context is simply amusing. Your actually pushing the notion that a celestial is now equal to TOAA and is now the "pen" behind everyting marvel. Does that sound like a good stance buddy?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33You're speculating. All it says is that Tiamut was his device. It doesn't say all Celestials nor does it say him even created the Celestials. All it says is that he'd been looking for a companion since the big crunch and that Tiamut filled that role.
Here, I found the scan plus a 2nd scan that suggest Eternity is responsible for the creation of the Celestials.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think your understanding of things is lacking... Think about what your saying.....1. Your assuming the Fulcrum is TOAA - nothing more then assumption based on some hyperbole. Words like all knowing, all powerful etc etc were thrown around. Those words have been used to describe many many different people.... Eternity, LT, Thanos with the IG and even Galactus. So, taking that to literally mean he's the TOAA is nothing more then an assumption TRUE OR FALSE?
2. Even if he is TOAA your then saying Tiamut is his equal... Now your notion and assumption are reaching epic levels. So, now your saying Tiamut can do anything it wants and is essentially the "pen" behind everything in Marvel. He's above the LT and can do anything is chooses. That is so left field it's not even funny to think that a celestial a celestial is now equal to the TOAA. That is the ludicris notion your pushing right?
3. Now again if the TOAA is the fulcrum he never said Tiamut was equal to him in all his power did he? He was talking about ONE particular aspect of power and that was the questioning things when other never did and being "outside"of time. So, again was there anything mentioned about Tiamut being just as powerful and as all knowing as TOAA. No the Fulcrum is clearing only talking about Tiamut questioning things and being the most powerful celestial. Furthermore, doesn't Tiamut call the Fulcrum all knowing and all powerful... thus doesn't that tell you that he's above Tiamut clearly. He didn't talk to him as his equal he talked to Fulcrum as if he was above him true or false?
This hyperbole and assumptions your pushing while ignoring context is simply amusing. Your actually pushing the notion that a celestial is now equal to TOAA and is now the "pen" behind everyting marvel. Does that sound like a good stance buddy?
This Fulcrum discussion has wandered into comedy.
The Fulcrum created the Celestials (which isn't even a concrete fact)
The Fulcrum is "all powerful" ... "all knowing" (whoopi fn doo ... so is ... meh I could name several)
The Fulcrum holds all reality together. (so now he's Galactus)
😆 ... to all three statements.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
The first scan doesn't prove that eternity made them. The second one eternity says that they're part of someones dream. Then the fulcrum says they're his devices. So i'd assume that means they're his dream. Eternity also says that maybe everything is someone elses dream or w/e. So maybe Eternity is part of The Fulcrums Dream. The Fulcrum is what hold all reality together.
The first scan says:
"And from this meditation came the MANIFESTATION - as the Celestials APPEARED from the nebulous spheres"
What is this sentence? It means, Eternity meditated on some concept or concepts. After an indeterminate amount of time, the meditation was manifested (the dictionary definition of manifest: ": to make evident or certain by showing or displaying." Manifestation is the act of manifesting. Manifesting means "one of the forms in which an individual is manifested, or materialized."😉 in the form of the Celestials, who suddenly appeared from an intangible, immaterial source ("nebulous spheres"😉.
Eternity mediated, and during/after the meditation, materialized the Celestials, from an immaterial source. That is literally what the scan says.
"Device" can either mean
1) a plan, technique, or strategy
2) an instrument designed to fit a specific function or serve a particular use or purpose.
The ambiguity in the Fulcrum's statement is whether he actually designed the device "you are my device" or he is in possession of the device "you are my device."
However the Fulcrum says "you are no longer my device." If we take it to mean the Fulcrum actually designed or created the Celestials, then the Fulcrum literally is saying "I designed you, but because you have questioned me, you are no longer my design" which is awkward.
If we take it to mean the Fulcrum is in possession of the device, then the Fulcrum is literally saying "I used you for a specific plan/purpose [definition #1 of device], but because you questioned me, you are no longer going to be used for my plan/used as my instrument to execute my plan [definition #2 of device]" i.e. "you are no longer my device."
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ... I see you boys are handling business here.This Fulcrum discussion has wandered into comedy.
The Fulcrum created the Celestials (which isn't even a concrete fact)
The Fulcrum is "all powerful" ... "all knowing" (whoopi fn doo ... so is ... meh I could name several)
The Fulcrum holds all reality together. (so now he's Galactus)😆 ... to all three statements.
So sad. On panel the Celestials...who are pretty up there, consider him all knowing and all powerful. It also says the Fulcrum is what holds all reality together. Galactus doesnt do that. If galactus dies something comes that destroys reality as we know it. It never states that he is anything like what it says The Fulcrum is. But like i said keep on taking what is said on panel and just pretending like it isn't clearly stated...
Also, like i said already, it doesn't matter what The Fulcrum really is. What we do know is that the Celestials look to him as a superior being. And that superior being said Tiamut was the greatest of the celestials to ever exist. How on earth can that be translated into "he's the greatest EVER next to scathan"?
Originally posted by LDHZenkaibecuase scathan is from the future and tiamut hasnt done anything compared to what scathan did/will do.
Also, like i said already, it doesn't matter what The Fulcrum really is. What we do know is that the Celestials look to him as a superior being. And that superior being said Tiamut was the greatest of the celestials to ever exist. How on earth can that be translated into "he's the greatest EVER next to scathan"?
Originally posted by Nihilist
becuase scathan is from the future and tiamut hasnt done anything compared to what scathan did/will do.
