Originally posted by Xplosive
And your thinking is right, because he is not TOAA.
yawn
The LT spins the destiny of the creation in one hand,
while holding the power of two Megaverses in the other.
The LT is "all knowing" and "all powerful" (omnipotent & omniscient)
The LT once was going to replace the 616 Reality with the Ultimate Universe.
(ridiculously uber feat)
The LT withstood then nullified a fursious attack from Warlock/IG.
The LT stomped Slorioth in one move.
The LT lasted the longest against Thanos/THOTI, not Taimut or the Fulcrum.
(and the entire race was there ... uhmm, the ENTIRE race!)
The LT according to official Marvel Handbooks in second only to TOAA in current continuity,
and on panel is the most powerful entity Kubik can comprehend as well.
Now, 1000 years into the future,
and a child named Protege is engineered to be GOD!
Protege literally becomes
the LT/Eternity/Hawkgod/Beyonder/Mephisto/Malevolence & GOTG.
Scathan comes along and stomps Protege with a gesture.
So Scathan > LivingTribunal/Eternity/Hawkgod/Beyonder/Mephisto/Malevolence
& GOTG.
Now what has Taimut done
or this Fulcrum that would suggest they are even near what the LT has done?
Oh right ... nothing.
And the LT is only one of Protege's powers,
and Protege got curbstomped by Scathan.
hum
Originally posted by LDHZenkaiI'd assume the all knowing guy that the celestials listen to (who exist outside of time) would know about Scathan....
and he never said Scathan was his equal.
Fact is though,
when the Fulcrum made his statement about Taimut,
he made it withIN time, so that statement is bound by time.
Fact also is,
that we've seen what Scathan can do,
we know what the LT's bio confirmed concerning Scathan,
we know what the Celestials own 07-08 bio confirmed concerning Scathan.
As for the Fulcrum,
nothing significant has been depicted on panel or in any handbook,
only a hyperbolic statement, that's not even special at that.
As for Taimut, he's actually done more than this Fulcrum,
and yet Taimut has done nothing to suggest he's anything more than a flea to the LT.
Scathan > LT
btw. Eternity creating the Celestials is more factual
when considering the on panel evidence,
than the vague ambiguous allusion presented in the Eternals series.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Doesn't matter if he is or not. He's still the one the Celestials look up to as all knowing and all powerful. And he still said Tiamut was equal to him in power. I'd assume the all knowing guy that the celestials listen to (who exist outside of time) would know about Scathan....and he never said Scathan was his equal. He did say there were other Celestials that came close (probably TOAA, Exitar, Scathan) but that Tiamut was the most powerful. I dunno why there's still reply's coming in about this. Oh well. It was a great story (the new eternals arc) :-D Two Thumbs UP!
Why do you insist on saying the Celestials when the Fulcrum was talking about Tiamut and Tiamut only?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Why do you insist on saying the Celestials when the Fulcrum was talking about Tiamut and Tiamut only?
Originally posted by LDHZenkaiDid you actually read the issue? "I have watched other Celestials change and evolve into beings of Greater power. Some have come close. But you Dreaming Celestial ...You are the only being to question me... to become and individual." So here we have him saying he's seen the other celestials evolve and become really powerful, but they all still follow his orders. Or is there another way to interpret him saying that Tiamut is the ONLY being to question him?
If you believe what the writers put on panel there
then not even Scathan or LT have questioned the Fulcrum.Unless we're excluding them from every being? And when they were talking they were in the place you go when you die...which i would imagine to be outside of time. then The Fulcrum says... "You are no longer my Device, in shattering that bond, you have proven a power equal to my own".... so there we have him saying that Tiamut has power equal to his own. He's not saying that Tiamuts indivduality is what makes his power equal or anything like that. He says Tiamuts power is equal to his. I'm not the one assuming anything or inferring anything. I'm just posting what is said on panel. On panel when they're having a conversation in a place that exists outside of time The Fulcrum says Tiamut is the most powerful. To say that he for some reason didn't know about Scathan makes absolutely no sense. How does the guy who exists outside of time and who is called all knowing not know about Scathan ? The Fulcrum is referred to as the very essence of what holds reality in it's place. so wouldn't that mean he knows about the reality in which scathan was alive in? Or are we to assume he doesn't despite the fact he's all knowing?
I stopped at the part where you believe this silly Fulcrum is above the LT now. 😆
Discussion went from partially interesting to ludicrous.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I can see now you've been sold.I stopped at the part where you believe this silly Fulcrum is above the LT now. 😆
Discussion went from partially interesting to ludicrous.
p.s.- i just chipped my effing tooth..at 4a.m.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Did you actually read the issue? "I have watched other Celestials change and evolve into beings of Greater power. Some have come close. But you Dreaming Celestial ...You are the only being to question me... to become and individual." So here we have him saying he's seen the other celestials evolve and become really powerful, but they all still follow his orders. Or is there another way to interpret him saying that Tiamut is the ONLY being to question him? If you believe what the writers put on panel there then not even Scathan or LT have questioned the Fulcrum. Unless we're excluding them from every being? And when they were talking they were in the place you go when you die...which i would imagine to be outside of time. then The Fulcrum says... "You are no longer my Device, in shattering that bond, you have proven a power equal to my own".... so there we have him saying that Tiamut has power equal to his own. He's not saying that Tiamuts indivduality is what makes his power equal or anything like that. He says Tiamuts power is equal to his. I'm not the one assuming anything or inferring anything. I'm just posting what is said on panel. On panel when they're having a conversation in a place that exists outside of time The Fulcrum says Tiamut is the most powerful. To say that he for some reason didn't know about Scathan makes absolutely no sense. How does the guy who exists outside of time and who is called all knowing not know about Scathan ? The Fulcrum is referred to as the very essence of what holds reality in it's place. so wouldn't that mean he knows about the reality in which scathan was alive in? Or are we to assume he doesn't despite the fact he's all knowing?
Good grief man, all you do is assume. There is absolutely no on panel proof as to what the Fulcrum really is. The only suggestion to his power is when he undid what the Horde did to planet earth.
You assume that the Fulcrum created all Celestials, yet this is never mentioned, not once.
You assume that the Fulcrum is greater than the LT and the other high end abstracts, yet there's no proof of this, none.
You assume the Fulcrum is supreme because Tiamut said it was all powerful and all knowing, so what? Need I remind you how many times different beings have been referred to as being omnipotent or omniscient or both?
Scathan has something both Tiamut and the Fulcrum don't, on panel evidence to prove how powerful he is. How can this confuse you?