Originally posted by AllanklesGlads is not superior to Supes in any category.
Glads has a similar basic powerset but that's as far as the similarities go. [/B]
LOL oh boy.
You are correct, except Gladiator does has a few greater feats than Clark does, and all the rest are pretty much on par.
Example:
Show me 1 scan of Superman actually moving FTL. Gladiator already has been clocked at 20x light. Thats just 1 example of a superior feat, dispite having very similar powersets.
Originally posted by Allankles
That wouldn't be relevant to a fight especially against a god who can manipulate relative time.
when has DS ever bn shown to move outside of time or beyound lightspeed?
cause the only one i know that can do it on a constant bases is zoom.
and gladz has bn shown capable of duplicating his power.
Originally posted by Allankles
Glads is not superior to Supes in any category. His best displays are shattering some unidentified planet in 3 hits, but Supes has destroyed planetoids in one hit. And has been established to be able to shatter planets at will.Speed: Supes has superior displays of speed in his confrontations. Outspeeding the omegas, blitzing Doomsday (who also has superspeed) as well as Mongul and groups of top tier villains.
Durability- ignoring his Supernova feats, Supes has been able to survive skyfather level transmutation as well as tank magical attacks from 7 elder gods before smashing them. He's shown the capacity to use esoteric abilities to defeat multiversal beings like Dominus. Can take magical hell fire, can consume demonic magic into himself without ill effect etc etc.
Glads has a similar basic powerset but that's as far as the similarities go.
Let's not forget......Second fastest movement next to wally, tanking a sun eater explosion millions of light years wide at point blank.moving a object that dwafs star systems in size,rocking skyfathers with strikes,full psionic control over own energy,elite MA talent and a hot wife that he can unload in every night.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when has DS ever bn shown to move outside of time or beyound lightspeed?cause the only one i know that can do it on a constant bases is zoom.
and gladz has bn shown capable of duplicating his power.
Even just counting the Omega Effect, I can name dozens of instances. Or the Omega Sanction, time travel, creating his own boom tubes, bending time to age someone faster, temporal awareness of his older self, awareness of alternate realities, etc.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
again when has he bn shown able to do this when he is being speed blitz by supes? appropriate time to use said power.
Does glads blitz, marvel top tiers don't have movment superspeed so its a mutable point. Besides DS's movement is enough to catch freaking Wally by surprise....and honestly I doubt Glads can move faster then even QS.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when has DS ever bn shown to move outside of time or beyound lightspeed?cause the only one i know that can do it on a constant bases is zoom.
and gladz has bn shown capable of duplicating his power.
Zoom doesn't go outside of time. If that was your reference you're a completely mistaken. Zoom is subject to time, he doesn't operate outside of it.
And since when can Glads manipulate time around his own space, like Zoom?
As for DS and the New Gods time is irrelevant. Reality for them isn't determined by time.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
LOL oh boy.
You are correct, except Gladiator does has a few greater feats than Clark does, and all the rest are pretty much on par.Example:
Show me 1 scan of Superman actually moving FTL. Gladiator already has been clocked at 20x light. Thats just 1 example of a superior feat, dispite having very similar powersets.
FTL is necessary for Supes space travels. In For Tomorrow while flying in our solar system Superman hears Kyle shouting out his name in the Vega system 25 light years away, and arrives there in seconds (intercepting the situation moments after Kyle shouted) he would need to travel millions of times the speed of light to accomplish that.
Fighting SBP, he grapples with him from Oa in the centre of the universe to Rao in a few shot panels - remember Rao is over several light years away he would need to be traveleling again millions of times the speed of light to accomplish such a feat.
Even his simpler feats like traveling between Saturn and the Sun in seconds required that he moves well in excess of a 100x FTL.
Anyone that thinks Supes can travel 50, 60 lightyears through space in the time it takes to form a sentence without FTL abilities doesn't know what they are talking about. I mean the guy can travel from Earth to the Krypton galaxy in minutes. That's so many times FTL it's ridiculous.
Fact remains Glads doesn't have Superman's power or ability. A similar basic powerset to Supes is as far as that comparison should go.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Actually its pretty well established going by feats that Gladiator's skill and powerset are on par or better than Superman's in areas of speed, strength, as well as durabilty.And for the record, Superman has taken out Seid with and without amps so it doesn't really add to this debate.
I have never seen Superman take out Darkseid without using amps/major prep. The prep Superman got in Apokolips Now was almost at ridicules portions. Superman had to have been taken out of the timeline as to be any kinda of threat against him, and when he arrived he arrived to late to stop anything.
Originally posted by horrorwolfI'll use this post as an example of another problem area in this forum. There are several scans and feats which show Supes going well over C.
LOL oh boy.
You are correct, except Gladiator does has a few greater feats than Clark does, and all the rest are pretty much on par.Example:
Show me 1 scan of Superman actually moving FTL. Gladiator already has been clocked at 20x light. Thats just 1 example of a superior feat, dispite having very similar powersets.
Narrative states Supes only works this hard when he's about to go FTL.
It took 5 pages for Supes to reach Earth from Vega from the time Jimmy beeped Supes.
Supes reached the Source Wall from our Sun in a few panels.
Does it say the exact velocity Supes was flying? No. But making it from Vega within minutes and flying to the Source Wall in a few panels is enough to easily put Supes on Glads level of flight speed.
The level of blind bias on here is a major problem.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
LOL oh boy.
You are correct, except Gladiator does has a few greater feats than Clark does, and all the rest are pretty much on par.Example:
Show me 1 scan of Superman actually moving FTL. Gladiator already has been clocked at 20x light. Thats just 1 example of a superior feat, dispite having very similar powersets.
Show me a scan of you not being a biased marvel troll or ever adding anything useful to this forum.
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Originally posted by Badabing
I'll use this post as an example of another problem area in this forum. There are several scans and feats which show Supes going well over C.Narrative states Supes only works this hard when he's about to go FTL.
It took 5 pages for Supes to reach Earth from Vega from the time Jimmy beeped Supes.
Supes reached the Source Wall from our Sun in a few panels.
Does it say the exact velocity Supes was flying? No. But making it from Vega within minutes and flying to the Source Wall in a few panels is enough to easily put Supes on Glads level of flight speed.
The level of blind bias on here is a major problem.
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Originally posted by Badabing
I'll use this post as an example of another problem area in this forum. There are several scans and feats which show Supes going well over C.Narrative states Supes only works this hard when he's about to go FTL.
It took 5 pages for Supes to reach Earth from Vega from the time Jimmy beeped Supes.
Supes reached the Source Wall from our Sun in a few panels.
Does it say the exact velocity Supes was flying? No. But making it from Vega within minutes and flying to the Source Wall in a few panels is enough to easily put Supes on Glads level of flight speed.
The level of blind bias on here is a major problem.
All of that is space flight and that SAME author said that superman can only achieve light speed IN SPACE.
How about I help you all out, Zoom and Flash is fighting at light speed and superman was appearing as a statue, wasnt even moving, he couldnt even aid his partner in the fight which was going light speed. He appeared as a statue.
Originally posted by Badabing
I'll use this post as an example of another problem area in this forum. There are several scans and feats which show Supes going well over C.Narrative states Supes only works this hard when he's about to go FTL.
It took 5 pages for Supes to reach Earth from Vega from the time Jimmy beeped Supes.
Supes reached the Source Wall from our Sun in a few panels.
Does it say the exact velocity Supes was flying? No. But making it from Vega within minutes and flying to the Source Wall in a few panels is enough to easily put Supes on Glads level of flight speed.
The level of blind bias on here is a major problem.
By simple caculations, supes would easily need to be at millions of times FTL to traverse to distances light years away in only a matter of seconds or minutes.
Originally posted by Makky
By simple caculations, supes would easily need to be at millions of times FTL to traverse to distances light years away in only a matter of seconds or minutes.
I guess mrs. marvel can achieve light speed since she has done the same thing. I guess wonder woman was lying when she said that it would take superman minutes to travel 22000 miles, or how about ALL of the on panel showings besides space flight that has him going far below the speed of light.
Originally posted by carver9
All of that is space flight and that SAME author said that superman can only achieve light speed IN SPACE.How about I help you all out, Zoom and Flash is fighting at light speed and superman was appearing as a statue, wasnt even moving, he couldnt even aid his partner in the fight which was going light speed. He appeared as a statue.
You forgot that Flash and Zoom have special conditions to NOT affect the environment due to their powers.
Superman does not...though he has been getting better (such as him being able to suppress sonic booms now) which was an issue in earlier arcs.
