Originally posted by kevdudeHe didn't defeat Superman and the heroes. Batman fatally wounded him also.
Everyone, it was by Gods grace that Darkseid was stopped.
Originally posted by manx422Do the specifically retcon it?
Final crisis issue 1
Darkseid was in his human body darkside
read 7 soldiers of victory for reference
in jla meeting superman displays limited knowledge of new gods
Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't defeat Superman and the heroes. Batman fatally wounded him also. Do the specifically retcon it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
How am I lowballing? Glads has the punching power to shred planets. Supes has said he can before and has beaten Darkseid to the point of submission. He has the strength to make this interesting, but Glads hits harder an dis more skilled.Ds tends to avoid brawls as he thinks it's beneath him. I am not saying he can't brawl I am saying that Glads has him outmatched in this scenario.
Name me a few of Darkseid's feats outside of his powers. They would apply here.
What does planet wrecking blows have to do with anything, if I'm not mistaken WW has a enemy in her rouge gallery who was able to move mountains effortlessly....and WW beat her pretty handily. Should I by that conclusion assume WW is>FP tyrant physically because Tyrant hasn't lifted anything heavy.
DS's mere avatars have already stood unphased to blows from superman level beings, and for all of Gladiators"planet wrecking strength"I have yet to seem him casually KO someone like Captain Atom...a near top tier in his own right. He physically competed agaisnt his own son, whom has on his own right stalemated a enraged sun-amped clark. Hell it's even doubtful Gladiator is even the better MA, and where speed is concerned DS has actually displayed movement quick enough to suprise the flash.
Bottomline, Glad's is physically one of the most imposing threats in the marvel universe IMO. He's endured thrashings from odin,tyrant and consistently stalemates top tiers. Due to this I don't think DS will"oneshot"him but unlike Glad's, DS has literally physically humilated top tiers with little to no effort. I havn't even seen glads demonstrate the level of technique, speed, agility and precision DS did when battling his son. Excluding the few occasions where supes has defeated DS....keep in mind supes is "DC posterboy"that constantly overcomes the odds to save the day.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How am I lowballing? Glads has the punching power to shred planets. Supes has said he can before and has beaten Darkseid to the point of submission. He has the strength to make this interesting, but Glads hits harder an dis more skilled.Ds tends to avoid brawls as he thinks it's beneath him. I am not saying he can't brawl I am saying that Glads has him outmatched in this scenario.
Name me a few of Darkseid's feats outside of his powers. They would apply here.
Quanchi once again you are right on top of it. Glads is the victor here. DS is unable to overcome Glads speed, power and fighting skills. If per the thread each are at their best. DS is overwhelmed quickly, and dies, saying WTF was that? Nice hair! Gasp...Gasp...Ughhhhhh! (last breath)
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Originally posted by The Illuminati
Quanchi once again you are right on top of it. Glads is the victor here. DS is unable to overcome Glads speed, power and fighting skills. If per the thread each are at their best. DS is overwhelmed quickly, and dies, saying WTF was that? Nice hair! Gasp...Gasp...Ughhhhhh! (last breath)😉
What speed,MA and strength are you referring to?
Originally posted by Makky
What speed,MA and strength are you referring to?
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How many comics have you read that have had Glads as one if the mains and had involved him in battle...? Please give an accurate count. So then we can understand your lvl understanding of his character, please. Because as of right now, it's sounds as if you haven't crack nigh 1...
LULZ a lot of extreme Superman fanboys here....which is fine, but this BS doesnt belong here in logical debates.
I say Superman takes Darksied out a minimum of 9/10 times in a typical skirmish using hand to hand combat every time.
Can somone please show me exactly by what means Superman wins over Darkseid that Gladiator could not
Especially when Gladiator has generally displayed equivalent or superior feats in skill, strength, and speed (combat and flight)? Other than the fact that Kent has more experience with Sied's fighting style than Kallark does, there is no way Gladiator shouldn't have an easy majority here as well.
Originally posted by horrorwolffacepalm
LULZ a lot of extreme Superman fanboys here....which is fine, but this BS doesnt belong here in logical debates.I say Superman takes Darksied out a minimum of 9/10 times in a typical skirmish using hand to hand combat every time.
Can somone please show me exactly by what means Superman wins over Darkseid that Gladiator could not
Especially when Gladiator has generally displayed equivalent or superior feats in skill, strength, and speed (combat and flight)? Other than the fact that Kent has more experience with Sied's fighting style than Kallark does, there is no way Gladiator shouldn't have an easy majority here as well.
Originally posted by The Illuminati
😕How many comics have you read that have had Glads as one if the mains and had involved him in battle...? Please give an accurate count. So then we can understand your lvl understanding of his character, please. Because as of right now, it's sounds as if you haven't crack nigh 1...
I have, and my above comment stands.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
LULZ a lot of extreme Superman fanboys here....which is fine, but this BS doesnt belong here in logical debates.I say Superman takes Darksied out a minimum of 9/10 times in a typical skirmish using hand to hand combat every time.
Can somone please show me exactly by what means Superman wins over Darkseid that Gladiator could not
Especially when Gladiator has generally displayed equivalent or superior feats in skill, strength, and speed (combat and flight)? Other than the fact that Kent has more experience with Sied's fighting style than Kallark does, there is no way Gladiator shouldn't have an easy majority here as well.
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Originally posted by horrorwolf
LULZ a lot of extreme Superman fanboys here....which is fine, but this BS doesnt belong here in logical debates.I say Superman takes Darksied out a minimum of 9/10 times in a typical skirmish using hand to hand combat every time.
Can somone please show me exactly by what means Superman wins over Darkseid that Gladiator could not
Especially when Gladiator has generally displayed equivalent or superior feats in skill, strength, and speed (combat and flight)? Other than the fact that Kent has more experience with Sied's fighting style than Kallark does, there is no way Gladiator shouldn't have an easy majority here as well.
Supes has the speed,durability,strength thats glads doesn't....and hes also had amps when beating DS.
Originally posted by MakkyActually its pretty well established going by feats that Gladiator's skill and powerset are on par or better than Superman's in areas of speed, strength, as well as durabilty.
Supes has the speed,durability,strength thats glads doesn't....and hes also had amps when beating DS.
And for the record, Superman has taken out Seid with and without amps so it doesn't really add to this debate.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Actually its pretty well established going by feats that Gladiator's skill and powerset are on par or better than Superman's in areas of speed, strength, as well as durabilty.And for the record, Superman has taken out Seid with and without amps so it doesn't really add to this debate.
Glads is not superior to Supes in any category. His best displays are shattering some unidentified planet in 3 hits, but Supes has destroyed planetoids in one hit. And has been established to be able to shatter planets at will.
Speed: Supes has superior displays of speed in his confrontations. Outspeeding the omegas, blitzing Doomsday (who also has superspeed) as well as Mongul and groups of top tier villains.
Durability- ignoring his Supernova feats, Supes has been able to survive skyfather level transmutation as well as tank magical attacks from 7 elder gods before smashing them. He's shown the capacity to use esoteric abilities to defeat multiversal beings like Dominus. Can take magical hell fire, can consume demonic magic into himself without ill effect etc etc.
Glads has a similar basic powerset but that's as far as the similarities go.