Originally posted by kevdude
After reading Apokolips Now, it is pretty clear Superman had major prep to do what he did, it was not as clean as some believe and even Darkseid knew Superman wasn't truthful about the fight they would have. DS was tricked into it, and the Kryptonians used a Mother Box to create a disruptive force Field over Apokolips separating the two. Even other New Gods were used to accomplish what he did. I can see why he wanted to turn Kara against Supes.btw Darkseid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman challenged him. How does that mean he had prep? Please state your case for me.
In the whole comic it talks about how much prep and one sided it is against Darkseid Quan. Him having a (before) meeting with Superboy, Supergirl The Eradicator and Kara. Went to Barda before that and got her and Mr. Miracles Mother Box to use against him as Darkseid was always watching the Mbx that was used by the JLA and Superman didn't use it. Then using Barda to deliver the communique to Apokolips, if he did it himself his plan would have not worked. Justeen and Mortalla talking about him being cut off from them. Even see Darkeid reach out his hand at Apokolips as if to bring them to him and he gets nothing.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Legends crossover, apokolips now, superman batman 42, can't remember the issue of superman I read but the one where he easily bfr's him, countdown, etc. Need I go on? Glads wins the majority here.
Yeah. I'm not familiar with the Superman issue, I think you're talking about something that took place circa Action Comics 818 (don't have it with me, can't check it for sure), where DS and the parademons land in Metropolis, Supes gets pissed and rounds all of the parademons up and tosses them back through the boom tube, then one-shots Darkseid into the boomtube and back to Apokolips. Avlon's posted the scans before that I know a lot of people've seen.
They also fought twice during OWAW, both while Supes was greatly weakened. Once, DS stomps him. The other time? Not so much.
kevdude, of course they were prepped. They had to hold off the entire Apokolipian army. But the Supes/DS fight? That was clean. Supes challenged him to a straight up duel for possession of John. He wouldn't stack the odds in his favor by doing something underhanded. He's too much of a hero for that. And there was no indication that the fight was anything other than clean. Supes was confident he could beat DS and he did.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah. I'm not familiar with the Superman issue, I think you're talking about something that took place circa Action Comics 818 (don't have it with me, can't check it for sure), where DS and the parademons land in Metropolis, Supes gets pissed and rounds all of the parademons up and tosses them back through the boom tube, then one-shots Darkseid into the boomtube and back to Apokolips. Avlon's posted the scans before that I know a lot of people've seen.They also fought twice during OWAW, both while Supes was greatly weakened. Once, DS stomps him. The other time? Not so much.
kevdude, of course they were prepped. They had to hold off the entire Apokolipian army. But the Supes/DS fight? That was clean. Supes challenged him to a straight up duel for possession of John. He wouldn't stack the odds in his favor by doing something underhanded. He's too much of a hero for that. And there was no indication that the fight was anything other than clean. Supes was confident he could beat DS and he did.
Superman I don't believe was ever weakened at all, it was pretty much the opposite in OWAW he was going all out to win, 1st DS stomps correct 2nd DS depowered still hanging in with Superman then notices somethings up then ignores him.
No the fight was not clean at all, as the whole comic talks about him being underhanded to get the better of DS.
Originally posted by kevdude
Superman I don't believe was ever weakened at all, it was pretty much the opposite in OWAW he was going all out to win, 1st DS stomps correct 2nd DS depowered still hanging in with Superman then notices somethings up then ignores him.
The first time Supes had just been royally screwed up by the Black Racer's blast. The second time he'd been killed by Imperiex via cracking his armor. So, yeah, Supes was weakened both times.
Originally posted by kevdude
No the fight was not clean at all, as the whole comic talks about him being underhanded to get the better of DS.
Supes didn't stick Radion down his underwear to gain an advantage while fighting DS, or anything of the sort. Their battle was straight up and after a long battle, Supes came out on top.
Originally posted by MakkyBased on what? Ds often resorts to his omega effect. Glads has more skill and has more punching power.
Spite, DS 10/10.
Originally posted by kevdude
In the whole comic it talks about how much prep and one sided it is against Darkseid Quan. Him having a (before) meeting with Superboy, Supergirl The Eradicator and Kara. Went to Barda before that and got her and Mr. Miracles Mother Box to use against him as Darkseid was always watching the Mbx that was used by the JLA and Superman didn't use it. Then using Barda to deliver the communique to Apokolips, if he did it himself his plan would have not worked. Justeen and Mortalla talking about him being cut off from them. Even see Darkeid reach out his hand at Apokolips as if to bring them to him and he gets nothing.
Originally posted by EnyalusNicely done. Superman just beat him straight up. Darkseid admitted how much of a blow this was to his reputation. It was so humiliating he gave into Superman's demands. Glads beats his face in harder imo.
Yeah. I'm not familiar with the Superman issue, I think you're talking about something that took place circa Action Comics 818 (don't have it with me, can't check it for sure), where DS and the parademons land in Metropolis, Supes gets pissed and rounds all of the parademons up and tosses them back through the boom tube, then one-shots Darkseid into the boomtube and back to Apokolips. Avlon's posted the scans before that I know a lot of people've seen.They also fought twice during OWAW, both while Supes was greatly weakened. Once, DS stomps him. The other time? Not so much.
kevdude, of course they were prepped. They had to hold off the entire Apokolipian army. But the Supes/DS fight? That was clean. Supes challenged him to a straight up duel for possession of John. He wouldn't stack the odds in his favor by doing something underhanded. He's too much of a hero for that. And there was no indication that the fight was anything other than clean. Supes was confident he could beat DS and he did.