Gladiator vs. Darkseid

Originally posted by Enyalus
'merely pushed Superman away'? He hit him with an omnidirectional blast which sent Supes flying and crashing towards Apokolips. The second time he was killed! And it was his own willpower, egged on by Kismet, which brought him back to life. No reference about Kismet healing him was ever brought up. So you're flat out wrong about Superman not being weakened, and you're completely speculating that he cheated during his fight with DS.

Hold up. Since when is Gladiator on the same level as Superman? By what you just said, Superman is flat-out a cut above everyone else. He's just that damn good.

So saying that just because Superman can do it, Gladiator can do it, is facetious. ❌

As for Apokolips Now, setting up the match so you have a better chance at winning or leveling the odds is not the same as a KMC match with both combatants at full power. YES, HE CHEATED. The fight may have been fair, but it was set up by Superman to give him a fighting chance via outside interference. And let's not forget one thing.

Superman is the King of fisticuffs at high herald. He's rocked skyfathers, trans levelers and teams, hell, even Death itself.

Gladiator has a similar powerset, but not the capabilities. We've seen what happens when anyone who isn't Superman tries to punch out Darkseid. Aside from Orion who is also a new god, and DS's own son, everyone else gets shitcanned.

Originally posted by james2099
You do not have to teach me what blitzing is, i want you to explain to the people why its blitzing when a DC character bull rush someone yet its not blitzing when a marvel character does it. Whats the difference?? Show me a scan of superman blitzing something or someone. Then show us gladiators ( bull rush). 🙁

Originally posted by iceman24567
As if all this wasn't obvious but good definition 👆

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
YES, HE CHEATED. The fight may have been fair, but it was set up by Superman to give him a fighting chance via outside interference. And let's not forget one thing.

The fight was made fair by Superman making sure there was no outside inteference. From DS's allies on his behalf or Kal's own allies on his own behalf. 'Twas a fair match. And that's only one time he won straight up. There have been others.

I said Gladiator takes a 5/10 split originally. Not going to argue that he takes a majority, because his showings are all over the place.

Originally posted by james2099
A speed blitz is when a character attacks in a sudden and un-trackable movement. The target never see the attack and thus cannot defend against it. A lightspeed attack with a one punch ko is a classic speed blitz when the target never see or know what happened.

Originally posted by Vanlore
When flash fought zoom, Superman and the rest of the lot was like a statue. Gladiator has been clocked at 100x the speed of light.. That is like 97 or 98 times faster than flash in that comic he fought zoom. The one where superman could not help in because he was like a statue.. You can even say well thats not combat speed but even at half that speed lol Superman is a tree... To note I don't agree with its not combat speeds on toons with superspeed because if you can move your arms and legs and react that fast than you can smack soneone and dodge that fast. But if it was on someone who could travel at those speeds via a different means but not superspeed then It would be different. It all depends on the details of each character.

I'm leaning toward Glads winning this fight with DS

an FC Gladiator is at least 20x faster than what Clark has shown, and thats being very generous. Glads has some insane feats.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hold up. Since when is Gladiator on the same level as Superman? By what you just said, Superman is flat-out a cut above everyone else. He's just that damn good.

So saying that just because Superman can do it, Gladiator can do it, is facetious. ❌

As for Apokolips Now, setting up the match so you have a better chance at winning or leveling the odds is not the same as a KMC match with both combatants at full power. YES, HE CHEATED. The fight may have been fair, but it was set up by Superman to give him a fighting chance via outside interference. And let's not forget one thing.

Superman is the King of fisticuffs at high herald. He's rocked skyfathers, trans levelers and teams, hell, even Death itself.

Gladiator has a similar powerset, but not the capabilities. We've seen what happens when anyone who isn't Superman tries to punch out Darkseid. Aside from Orion who is also a new god, and DS's own son, everyone else gets shitcanned.

IF anything feats by Kallark put him above Superman in Speed and Strength both...as well as durabilty. The biggest discrepancy being Speed.

Other than that other powersets such as freeze breath and Heat vision have been pretty much even. What makes this worse is that Superman has been around far longer....its just that most of Gladiators feats are flat out superior.

Glad's been around since the 70's, Superman - 1938.

The one thing that is not being recognized here though, is that Superman knows DS and is familiar with his fighting style and attacks...which is what aids him in victories vs DS. Thats about the only thing IMO that works in Darkseid's favor here...but I still say Gladiator takes the majority.

Gladiator puts DS in a sleeper hold.

Originally posted by Enyalus
'merely pushed Superman away'? He hit him with an omnidirectional blast which sent Supes flying and crashing towards Apokolips. The second time he was killed! And it was his own willpower, egged on by Kismet, which brought him back to life. No reference about Kismet healing him was ever brought up. So you're flat out wrong about Superman not being weakened, and you're completely speculating that he cheated during his fight with DS.

Been through the first part with you, and do you own Apokolips Now? If you do you should know the whole comic talks about how much the fight would be in Supermans favor 😉

Originally posted by kevdude
Been through the first part with you, and do you own Apokolips Now? If you do you should know the whole comic talks about how much the fight would be in Supermans favor 😉

You wanna post, specifically what you're talking about that leads you to believe the actual fight would be tilted towards Superman's favor?

Originally posted by Enyalus
If by own it you mean illegally downloaded it, yes. (Yeah, I'm a bad boy...just this once.)

You wanna post, specifically what you're talking about that leads you to believe the actual fight would be tilted towards Superman's favor?

Nearly the whole comic talks about it Enya, don't know how you cannot see it. 😕

Links?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Alot of people can fly fast that doesnt equal combat speed 😐. How do you know his confidence wasnt at high levels when he did all this? Did he metion it on panel you are assuming too much. I go by on panel feats more than anything we know Gladz Is fast combat wise but Darkseid won't be a statue here on Kmc. Darkseid for the stomp.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Its not up to me to teach YOU that bull rushing isn't blitzing. Superman blitzes Gladz doesnt tough 😬

Originally posted by kevdude
Been through the first part with you, and do you own Apokolips Now? If you do you should know the whole comic talks about how much the fight would be in Supermans favor 😉

Originally posted by kevdude
Nearly the whole comic talks about it Enya, don't know how you cannot see it. 😕

Originally posted by Enyalus
Cool. Then it should be easy to find one or two scans which flat out state Superman will have an advantage. Instead of going off of your speculation.

I'll get a few scans (prob tomor) sure but if you have the comic dled im not to sure why you need them when you could just read it yourself.. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by kevdude
I'll get a few scans (prob tomor) sure but if you have the comic dled im not to sure why you need them when you could just read it yourself.. 😮‍💨

Back on the topic at hand DS for the easy win

Originally posted by iceman24567
Back on the topic at hand DS for the easy win

Originally posted by kevdude
I'll get a few scans (prob tomor) sure but if you have the comic dled im not to sure why you need them when you could just read it yourself.. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by iceman24567
Back on the topic at hand DS for the easy win