Originally posted by Quincyi dont knwo, if yes then does he know how not to get trapped into it, if yes then all he would have to do is close his eyes and just listen for him, but if no there would be absolutely no way for him to know that he was in an illusion it is a perfect illusion controlling all sences.
Well does Trunks know that Aizen can cast illusions?If I were trunks and were caught in one, I would just destroy everything around me.
Edit: close his eyes before the battle, cuz once he sees aizens blade he is trapped, thats why tousen is....hm he is probably going to be the one to kill aizen, but anyway tousen is blind so he is uneffected by his illusion but lucky for aizen he is on his side
Originally posted by niduin
thats fair enough, but just because he is not compfortable doesnt mean he wouldnt be able to use his sword.
I agree, somewhat.
The difference between Trunk's and Aizen's energy levels is huge. It is not even on the same scale of measurement. If we are to take the manga as logically as we can, we can say the Grimmjow is on a similar or slightly higher level in reiatsu compared to a captain. Aizen said his had to be double to use the cube. The difference there is so great that he could focus his spiritual energy on Grimmjow and bring him to his knees. We DO have an idea on his spiritual power.
Using feats, we can adequately measure what this spirit power can do. We do know that Ulq's spirit power, up until Ichigo changed this latest time, was the greatest spirit power seen in the series. It could be the Ulq had the highest spirit power up until that point...even greater than Aizen's. I doubt that since he is the ultimate bad guy at the moment...but, that could very well be the highest. We have seen the types of things he can do, though. And his spirit power made some mighty boom booms with his ultimate technique.
Now, move over to the DB universe side of things. Blasts on a city scale are seen quite regularly...and they are simple as pie for the fighters. We see planet destroying attacks. 😐 Not attacks that are a fifth the size of a city. Napa destroyed an entire city like it was nothing. His power level, at the time, was around 8000, if I'm not mistaken.
Now, we move onto power levels that are not even super saiyan. Trunk's has Aizen outclassed by thousands of times...not just double.
If in a generous scenario, Trunk's barely flexing his "ki" would immediately cause Aizen to pass out..because the bleach characters are like that. 😐 That's just how it works.
Now do you see why several people think it's rather lame to even compare the two?
Originally posted by niduin
well thats one thing about this debate, the spiritual energy effects their spirit because it is spirit energy it does not effect anything qhysicaly. tho i agree that he probably isnt as powerful as trunks, the only reson i think aizen can win is cuz of his swords ability
And that's fair enough. That's perfectly okay to assume that.
Originally posted by niduin
more like manifested phisical beings, its just like in the fight against kenpachi, kenpachi was able to stab thru ichigos sword because he didnt have his spirit energy high enough, so its most deffinatly not the same as a normal sword or axe
You're referring to resolve and spiritual focus. Sure, they are made of spirit energy and focus, but they are still physical substance and can cut real flesh. Chad would agree with me. 😆
Knowing this, Reiatsu giants like Kenpachi (my fav) and Ichigo can focus their resolve so much that they can slice through buildings like nothing. Ichigo's bankai form should make his sword as hard as a diamond, imo.
However, Trunk's sword is far stronger than you are giving it credit for.
How strong do you think the sword would have to be in order to cut Frieza in half like Trunks did?
What kind of destructive forces could Frieza's body withstand? Didn't Freiza take the spirit bomb energy attack that was enough to obliterate the entire planet many times over? And this was before his mechanical form that was supposed to be stronger than ever.
So, this sword can slice throug a body like it was butter, a body that is stronger that is durable enough to withstand a planet destroying attack by many times over.
Now, Goku blocked it with his finger, without incident.
We haven't seen anything even close to being on par with planet destroying attacks in Bleach...much less charaters than can withstand planet destroying attacks.
Now do you see why people are calling it lame to think Aizen even has a fighting chance?
If Trunks is caught in an illusion, he just fires a city destroy blast in all direction, and, POOF, Aizen is dead.
Originally posted by dadudemon
However, Trunk's sword is far stronger than you are giving it credit for.How strong do you think the sword would have to be in order to cut Frieza in half like Trunks did?
What kind of destructive forces could Frieza's body withstand? Didn't Freiza take the spirit bomb energy attack that was enough to obliterate the entire planet many times over? And this was before his mechanical form that was supposed to be stronger than ever.
So, this sword can slice throug a body like it was butter, a body that is stronger that is durable enough to withstand a planet destroying attack by many times over.
This is right. Not only did he slice it down the middle, but with swift strikes, sliced it up into tiny fragments, and then incinerated the pieces.
Victory goes to Team Trunks.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If Trunks is caught in an illusion, he just fires a city destroy blast in all direction, and, POOF, Aizen is dead.
This is my whole things too.
Originally posted by Quincy
This is right. Not only did he slice it down the middle, but with swift strikes, sliced it up into tiny fragments, and then incinerated the pieces.Victory goes to Team Trunks.
This is my whole things too.
I find it quie awesome that a Bleach fanboy like yourself can think intelligently about this "debate." 😄
I guess..that makes you NOT a fanboy???? 😕 😕 😕 😕
Note: Being a fanboy isn't necessarily a bad thing. Fanboys are very useful when you want to know sometihng about the thing they obsess on. I'm a fanboy of Bleach, Naruto, DBZ, Vagabond, Matrix moves, etc.
Originally posted by dadudemoni agree with everything...to an extent, but this, the people that are in aizens illusion dont know they are in an illusion if he did i would agree of course he would ablitarate aizen (but to be fair he wouldnt do that in fear of killing inocent people)
If Trunks is caught in an illusion, he just fires a city destroy blast in all direction, and, POOF, Aizen is dead.
also i think that bleach universe is stronger than you are saying, (but its just speculation) my thinking is that all the attacks in bleach vers are meant to kill one thing there are very few attacks that are meant to kill plannets or citys its all concentrated into a blade and even the cero is concentrated to hit one person, but like i said its all speculation i dont knwo if thats how it actually is and is not an argument at all just wanted to show my thinking, but now that you point out how powerful everything is in db univers (its been a long time) so yeah from what has been stated/shown in the bleachvers aizen probably isnt remotely close enough power to kill or even hurt trunks with his own power but i still dont know how trunks could get passed the illusion
Originally posted by niduin
i agree with everything...to an extent, but this, the people that are in aizens illusion dont know they are in an illusion if he did i would agree of course he would ablitarate aizen (but to be fair he wouldnt do that in fear of killing inocent people)also i think that bleach universe is stronger than you are saying, (but its just speculation) my thinking is that all the attacks in bleach vers are meant to kill one thing there are very few attacks that are meant to kill plannets or citys its all concentrated into a blade and even the cero is concentrated to hit one person, but like i said its all speculation i dont knwo if thats how it actually is and is not an argument at all just wanted to show my thinking, but now that you point out how powerful everything is in db univers (its been a long time) so yeah from what has been stated/shown in the bleachvers aizen probably isnt remotely close enough power to kill or even hurt trunks with his own power but i still dont know how trunks could get passed the illusion
Originally posted by dadudemon
I find it quie awesome that a Bleach fanboy like yourself can think intelligently about this "debate." 😄I guess..that makes you NOT a fanboy???? 😕 😕 😕 😕
Note: Being a fanboy isn't necessarily a bad thing. Fanboys are very useful when you want to know sometihng about the thing they obsess on. I'm a fanboy of Bleach, Naruto, DBZ, Vagabond, Matrix moves, etc.
Oh I'm a fanboy baby - FOR URYU ISHIDA!!!
he could **** up anybody.
But for serial, I know what's what when it comes to versus things. You won't find any biases over here.
Originally posted by yungz22
evidence that it only affects sight is Tousen he is the only person that aizen could not fool with an illusion
Originally posted by niduin
ok why would he do that? 1. he wouldnt know he is in an illusion, 2. he would be killing inocent people, but i agree he could easily kill aizen if aizen didnt have the sword out, and it doenst even have to be completely out either
He would do that to win.
And we havent established where they are fighting - so there are no innocent lives at stake.
And I haven't seen any illusion performed by Aizen that would grant him a victory over trunks.
Originally posted by niduin
i agree with everything...to an extent, but this, the people that are in aizens illusion dont know they are in an illusion if he did i would agree of course he would ablitarate aizen (but to be fair he wouldnt do that in fear of killing inocent people)
I agree. I agree that Aizen's illusion is so awesome that Trunk's would be helpless, until he raized his powerlevel higher than 5.
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Originally posted by niduin
also i think that bleach universe is stronger than you are saying, (but its just speculation) my thinking is that all the attacks in bleach vers are meant to kill one thing there are very few attacks that are meant to kill plannets or citys its all concentrated into a blade and even the cero is concentrated to hit one person, but like i said its all speculation i dont knwo if thats how it actually is and is not an argument at all just wanted to show my thinking,
That's cool. You can speculate on this and that's what this is about.
However, there are no grounds for that speculation and cannot be used in this "debate". We do know that the highest powers seen are on level with 1/5th the size of a large city.
Now, we do know that Ki and Reiryoku are the same thing. Reiatsu is simply Reiryoku being felt...similar to one feeling another's Ki energy.
We can logically connect the two and consider them the same. This is making a middle ground to we can compare the two "fighters" in this versus.
From there, we have to keep it as logical as possible.
The people from Bleach seem susceptible to large amounts of Reiryoku or Ki being released at once. DBZ characters do this often when getting angry or powering up. The difference...DB characters stand in awe at the power and energy that they feel, but it doesn't hurt them. SO, the DB-verse characters are not susceptible to what the Bleach verse characters are. Aizen has a weakness that Trunk's does not.
Originally posted by niduin
but now that you point out how powerful everything is in db univers (its been a long time) so yeah from what has been stated/shown in the bleachvers aizen probably isnt remotely close enough power to kill or even hurt trunks with his own power but i still dont know how trunks could get passed the illusion
This is where we can meet on middle ground. Sure, bleach characters are not shown fighting in "shunpu" or "sonido" for long periods of time. It is more like, "bam" pause.."bam" pause. With one or two sword strikes each clash.
However, in DBZ, they are animated and collisions appear to be in different places at once. Some of the collisions are strong enough to make massive craters in the ground. Even more than that, when Goku and Vegeta fought when Vegeta had the Majin power amp, their fighting alone was tearing about the whole Earth, just from their pure power. I think Goku remarked that they migh destroy the Earth if they kept fighting.