Van Hellsing vs Spiderman

Once again, it was his strength, and his webs. He couldn't have stopped that train without them, or held up the car without them. If he was holding on to a bridge, and had the cable car in the other hand, he couldn't hold it.

And he has thrown several full power punches in the movies, look at them again.

And you are ignoring that VH has brute force(enough to break heavy metal machinery, and cut through solid stone), plus his increidbly sharp and powerful claws and teeth. One bite ripped out Dracula's throat, who was shown to be pretty agile himself. Simply put, saying Spidey will never get hit is bull, he will get hit, and the claws are going through him like a hot knife through butter. In all actuality, he'll get a bunch of good hits on Hellsing, but they won't take him down, his durability, plus his regeneration makes that a non factor. One swipe, even to a leg or back, will take Spidey out of this fight man.

Even slight cuts will bleed, loss of blood equals loss of the fight.

Originally posted by Robtard
Still is a tremendous amount of brute force to take, more than the werewolf is shown dishing out, that's also just one example of the shit Spider-man has taken and walked away from.

He was holding onto the strands with his hands, ergo, it was his strength, as you heard the phrase "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link", that is also just one example, he also held that cable trolley full of people with just one arm, that huge wall in SM2. So no, the werewolf isn't stronger, going by movie feats. Not even close, in fact.

"With great power comes great responsibility", he uses restraint.

Another thing that is being overlooked is that Spidey relies more on ability than fighting knowledge. VH has been fighting monsters for years, so as far as knowing how to fight, he is light years ahead of Spidey.

Originally posted by KingD19
Once again, it was his strength, and his webs. He couldn't have stopped that train without them, or held up the car without them. If he was holding on to a bridge, and had the cable car in the other hand, he couldn't hold it.

And he has thrown several full power punches in the movies, look at them again.

And you are ignoring that VH has brute force(enough to break heavy metal machinery, and cut through solid stone), plus his increidbly sharp and powerful claws and teeth. One bite ripped out Dracula's throat, who was shown to be pretty agile himself. Simply put, saying Spidey will never get hit is bull, he will get hit, and the claws are going through him like a hot knife through butter. In all actuality, he'll get a bunch of good hits on Hellsing, but they won't take him down, his durability, plus his regeneration makes that a non factor. One swipe, even to a leg or back, will take Spidey out of this fight man.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well thats a testament to Spideys durability, innit?

Again, where is this super durability during all this?

Gobby rips Spidey a new ******* h2h. it's not even a fight. Sure, Spidey wins, but as it always is with villians, Gobby made the mistake of TALKING to Spidey instead of KILLING him.

The vid was showing that Spidey can be hurt, it proves that Spidey, despite being super fast and strong, is just as vulnerable to harm as you and I are,

and that he bleeds and can be wounded like a normal person.

VH, with his claws and teeth, will tear him apart.

Again, I am forced to repeat myself, NOTHING, bleed out and die. He can't regenerate like VH can. Any and all damage that Spidey deals VH will heal in seconds, why is that so hard to understand?

Me
[...] Spiderman's best chance for winning this is by knocking Helsing out with something big and heavy or catching him in a web and quickly slamming him into something really, really hard, both of which are possible depending on the setting.

Think on it like this, if I am fighting a frigging grizzly bear and I have a machete and cut it's guts out, what's the bear gonna do? DIE.

Good luck with that?

Spidey wouldnt be ABLE to dodge ALL of VH's attacks, man.

One swipe is all VH needs. Why is it being ignored when I ask what will Spidey do when VH cuts him to the bone?

More with the web shit.......WOW..........

Me
[Spiderman can catch] him in a web and quickly [slam] him into something really, really hard [...]

There's also the way he uses his webbing against Harry, to distract and harass while he gains a superior position. And, y'know, the fact that he can swing on it...

And as I said, strength is a factor, yes, but a minor one, Spidey can be killed with one swipe of VH's claws, man. Spidey would have to hit VH a shitload of times before even coming close to KOing him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Once again, it was his strength, and his webs. He couldn't have stopped that train without them, or held up the car without them. If he was holding on to a bridge, and had the cable car in the other hand, he couldn't hold it.

And he has thrown several full power punches in the movies, look at them again.

And you are ignoring that VH has brute force(enough to break heavy metal machinery, and cut through solid stone), plus his increidbly sharp and powerful claws and teeth. One bite ripped out Dracula's throat, who was shown to be pretty agile himself. Simply put, saying Spidey will never get hit is bull, he will get hit, and the claws are going through him like a hot knife through butter. In all actuality, he'll get a bunch of good hits on Hellsing, but they won't take him down, his durability, plus his regeneration makes that a non factor. One swipe, even to a leg or back, will take Spidey out of this fight man.

Even slight cuts will bleed, loss of blood equals loss of the fight.

Dracula wasn't all that in that movie, sure he could defeat humans.

He does have great strength, not close to Spider-man's though, going from movie feats.

Originally posted by KingD19
Once again, it was his strength, and his webs. He couldn't have stopped that train without them, or held up the car without them. If he was holding on to a bridge, and had the cable car in the other hand, he couldn't hold it.

The rest has been addressed. Helsing isn't fast enough to land a hit on Spiderman unless they're in an extremely confined space.

Originally posted by Eminence
Yeah...

You said this:You were clearly implying that in melee combat, Goblin got the better of Spiderman. What you completely ignored was everything that happened before Goblin even threw a punch, as well as what happened after Spiderman got serious [read: he knocked him senseless].

I don't know about you, but I tend to lay down and die after getting thrown through three stone walls at over a hundred miles an hour, punched in the face with enough force to throw me bodily through the air, and eating a grenade.

If you chuck him through three stone walls, punch him repeatedly with enough force to throw him bodily through the air, and blow a grenade up in his face.

That's assuming he can catch him. Unless the fight takes place in a locked car, he probably can't.

Reading is good:A TKO should count as a win here, so pinning or knocking out Helsing = Spiderman win.

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Good luck with that?

Given some room, he probably would. Helsing as a werewolf is a tough, dumb animal. Spiderman's faster, more agile, infinitely smarter, and can use his webbing for a multitude of purposes. There's literally one thing Helsing can do, and that's try to peg him with those teeth or claws.

It isn't. I've said at least three times that Helsing probably can't touch him. You're the only one ignoring anything here.

I didn't say Spiderman was going to shoot an assload of webbing at the werewolf then sit back and pop a beer. Read:Clear?

There's also the way he uses his webbing against Harry, to distract and harass while he gains a superior position. And, y'know, the fact that he can swing on it...

See the above, and also what's above that.

Mhmm....Mhmmm........mmmmmmmmmhm......VH WILL touch him, he will touch him numerous times, with his feet and hand claws, then finally his teeth, and Spidey wont be able to regenerate as VH can. VH is far faster than anyone Spidey has fought, and he gets hit several times.

Anything Spidey does to VH will heal in seconds, if not faster.

Spidey gets hurt, thats it, he stays hurt.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So whats the difference between the webbing that Gobby shredded and the train webbing? Was Spidey like on roids or sumthin? Why is the web argument even an issue? Webs wouldnt work on VH, case closed, forget the damn webs.

Another thing that is being overlooked is that Spidey relies more on ability than fighting knowledge. VH has been fighting monsters for years, so as far as knowing how to fight, he is light years ahead of Spidey.

GG is leagues stronger than the werewolf.Tearing them would also cause harm to himself.Besides, the webbing would be more of a distraction, than a end move.

As a werewolf, he was animal like, he wasn't a tactical fighter. Another thing Spider-man has on him, intelligence and out-witting him.

[QUOTE=11756610]Originally posted by Eminence
[B]Yeah...

You said this:You were clearly implying that in melee combat, Goblin got the better of Spiderman. What you completely ignored was everything that happened before Goblin even threw a punch, as well as what happened after Spiderman got serious [read: he knocked him senseless].
^I'm not sure if I remember, but didn't Goblin whoop on him earlier in the movie?

I don't know about you, but I tend to lay down and die after getting thrown through three stone walls at over a hundred miles an hour, punched in the face with enough force to throw me bodily through the air, and eating a grenade.
^VH would take that, and what little damage he got, he would regenerate

If you chuck him through three stone walls, punch him repeatedly with enough force to throw him bodily through the air, and blow a grenade up in his face.
^Not VH
That's assuming he can catch him. Unless the fight takes place in a locked car, he probably can't.
^You're making it sound like Spidey can't be hit, he can, and he will.

Reading is good:A TKO should count as a win here, so pinning or knocking out Helsing = Spiderman win.
^TKO is a non factor when you're as durable as VH, and have an insane healing factor
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Good luck with that?

Given some room, he probably would. Helsing as a werewolf is a tough, dumb animal. Spiderman's faster, more agile, infinitely smarter, and can use his webbing for a multitude of purposes. There's literally one thing Helsing can do, and that's try to peg him with those teeth or claws.
^He's not a tough, dumb animal, wolves are not dumb, not in the slightest. He's a tough, cunning, predator. And all Spidey can do is try to use his webbing, and hit him.

It isn't. I've said at least three times that Helsing probably can't touch him. You're the only one ignoring anything here.
^THere's a good chance that he'll get hit.

I didn't say Spiderman was going to shoot an assload of webbing at the werewolf then sit back and pop a beer. Read:Clear?

There's also the way he uses his webbing against Harry, to distract and harass while he gains a superior position. And, y'know, the fact that he can swing on it...
^VH is solely focused on him, nothing will distract him while he's trying to kill Spidey.

And let's not forget, Sand-Man, who has no apparent heightened speed, landed several hits on Spidey, even with the symbiote increasing his abilites if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhmm....Mhmmm........mmmmmmmmmhm......VH WILL touch him, he will touch him numerous times, with his feet and hand claws, then finally his teeth, and Spidey wont be able to regenerate as VH can. VH is far faster than anyone Spidey has fought, and he gets hit several times.

Anything Spidey does to VH will heal in seconds, if not faster.

Spidey gets hurt, thats it, he stays hurt.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So whats the difference between the webbing that Gobby shredded and the train webbing? Was Spidey like on roids or sumthin? Why is the web argument even an issue? Webs wouldnt work on VH, case closed, forget the damn webs.

Actually, there is a big difference between the webbing Spidey used again Norman and the webbing he used to stop the train. It's all in the shape of the webbing. What Spidey used on Osborn was literally a web spread out amongst the two walls. The web structure itself was pretty tough, but its attachments likely weren't, being so thin and spread against the walls like that. That's probably why Green Goblin managed to tear it down.

Now, on the train, Spidey used more concentrated web blasts that didn't spread out as much as the webbing used against Norman. The more compact webbing could actually withstand pressure better than a full out web could, especially against the force Spidey was fighting against.

Actually if you look at it, all Spidey's webbing has the same consistency and thickness, he just made a web against Osborn, and used a single thread on each arm for the train.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah...

You said this:You were clearly implying that in melee combat, Goblin got the better of Spiderman. What you completely ignored was everything that happened before Goblin even threw a punch, as well as what happened after Spiderman got serious [read: he knocked him senseless].
^I'm not sure if I remember, but didn't Goblin whoop on him earlier in the movie?

I don't know about you, but I tend to lay down and die after getting thrown through three stone walls at over a hundred miles an hour, punched in the face with enough force to throw me bodily through the air, and eating a grenade.
^VH would take that, and what little damage he got, he would regenerate

If you chuck him through three stone walls, punch him repeatedly with enough force to throw him bodily through the air, and blow a grenade up in his face.
^Not VH

^You're making it sound like Spidey can't be hit, he can, and he will.

That wasn't a snub at you, I'm just pointing out RJ's methodology and the lack of evidence on your side of the argument.

^TKO is a non factor when you're as durable as VH, and have an insane healing factor

^He's not a tough, dumb animal, wolves are not dumb, not in the slightest. He's a tough, cunning, predator. And all Spidey can do is try to use his webbing, and hit him.

And are you seriously going to make the argument that Helsing as a werewolf has anything remotely approaching his human level of intelligence?

^THere's a good chance that he'll get hit.

Really. For once, you guys need to prove up.

^VH is solely focused on him, nothing will distract him while he's trying to kill Spidey.

And let's not forget, Sand-Man, who has no apparent heightened speed, landed several hits on Spidey, even with the symbiote increasing his abilites if I'm not mistaken.

The second time, Sandman lands only three hits on [black suit] Spiderman, who literally charges him. Regular Spiderman, who is less stupid than black suit Spiderman, wouldn't charge an eight foot werewolf.

Prove that there's a chance he won't get hit.

And yes, he does have some level of intelligence, the only reason he killed the girl is because he was still in battle rage and she came in the room. As soon as he did it, he felt remorse, and he knew that what he did was wrong. Just like her brother, who also showed human intelligence.

Originally posted by KingD19
Actually if you look at it, all Spidey's webbing has the same consistency and thickness, he just made a web against Osborn, and used a single thread on each arm for the train.

The webbing will have a natural consistency and thickness, of course. I'm not denying that. Basic physics will tell you, however, that the more compact an object, regardless of its original consistency, will become more durable. That's why he can use compact web balls as an offensive option.

Originally posted by Eminence
... Wow. You didn't miss a thing!

Originally posted by KingD19
Prove that there's a chance he won't get hit.

And yes, he does have some level of intelligence, the only reason he killed the girl is because he was still in battle rage and she came in the room. As soon as he did it, he felt remorse, and he knew that what he did was wrong. Just like her brother, who also showed human intelligence.

Because he's avoided far faster things before in the movies. Now, if we throw in some civilians that Spider-man has to save while fighting hair-boy, sure, maybe.

Well, now I see it's been downgraded to "some level of intelligence". As a werewolf, they're more beast than man, their battle strategy is little more than 'charge wildly', as seen with the brother and VH-wolf.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Actually, there is a big difference between the webbing Spidey used again Norman and the webbing he used to stop the train. It's all in the shape of the webbing. What Spidey used on Osborn was literally a web spread out amongst the two walls. The web structure itself was pretty tough, but its attachments likely weren't, being so thin and spread against the walls like that. That's probably why Green Goblin managed to tear it down.

Now, on the train, Spidey used more concentrated web blasts that didn't spread out as much as the webbing used against Norman. The more compact webbing could actually withstand pressure better than a full out web could, especially against the force Spidey was fighting against.

Originally posted by KingD19
Prove that there's a chance he won't get hit.

Also, I don't have to prove a negative. Nyah.

And yes, he does have some level of intelligence, the only reason he killed the girl is because he was still in battle rage and she came in the room. As soon as he did it, he felt remorse, and he knew that what he did was wrong.

Just like her brother, who also showed human intelligence.

And showing emotion =/= the capacity to strategize against Spiderman.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Gobby tore through the webbing like tissue paper. Attachments to the wall were not a factor.

And "Gobby" is far stronger than the werewolf.

Could the werewolf get out of it? Sure, with the claws, it would take some time though, and he'd be cutting himself in the process, which gives Spider-man opportunities to plan and attack further.