I still see VH hopping about, more agile than Spidey. Agility goes to VH.
As far as strength, I would, of course, put VH at super human. But not at Spiderman's level. Spiderman is in the 10-ton range. I would put VH in the 1-2-ton range. Unlike Spidey, VH has to hop about on the walls n'stuff using his claws and strength alone. That, in and of itself, puts his strength many times about a human. However, we don't see anything above and beyond that...but I haven't seen VH in a whle, so I could be mistaken.
However, we do have the Trolley Car scene from the first film. That is pure strength, no leverage, no nothing. Just Spiderman being a beast. However, it was at his strength limit as he could barely hold the cable in his hand. The train scene was over his limit. He was able to stop the strain with as much force as he could muster. Putting him in the 10 ton range would, slowly, overtime, be able to stop a train in the hundreds of tons when it was traveling at 45-55 miles an hour.
Lemme try and figure this out with math...
I was going to calculate
.5*M*V^2 (This finds inertia)
At 55 miles an hour(that is 88.5 KMH) and at 200 tonnes(Arbitrarily picked, but is well within range, as I'll show later), I calculated the following:
.5*200*1000*((88.5*1000)^2) = 783225000000000 joules
So we need something that acts, in joules, on this moving train with enough force to stop it within, say, 60 seconds.
So what force is required to stop this in 60 seconds?
783225000000000/60 = 13053750000000
9070 = ma
So what force equals 13053750000000 joules a second. (Force is the wrong word...it's more like opposing inertia.)
13053750000000 = what?
We now want to calculate how much "inertia" for that object with two unkowns
13053750000000 = .5*9070*v
So,
v = 719611356
v = 60*(a)
a = 11993523
a = f/m
11993523 = f/9070
f = 1322.32
hmmm...I'm unsure what I've just calculated. Force should not equal that. It should be like....9070...I thought. Damn.
What I really wanted to calculate was the force Spiderman would have to produce in order to slow down the train to 0.
Now, we just have to convert 10 tons of force to X tonnes of force.
1 ton = .907 tonne
.907*10 = 9.07...rounding down will make the opposing force even less so we will leave on the .07.
So what is force? Linear force is simply mass*acceleration.
We will say that Spiderman can exert a force of 9.07 tonnes a second. (In the real world, the force needed to life up, say, an olympic bar in a dead lift is slightly greater than just a simple M*A...the force has to be slightly greater because equal force to the force that equals the weight of the bar and plates*9.8m/s/s would net you a stationary object. So, in order to actually move the weights, you would have to apply slightly more force to pick it up than is required to equal the force of gravity on those weights....Since we are not going to worry about a minor detail like that, we will just stick with the 9.07 tonnes of force.)
So how many seconds does it take to stop this train?
9.07*1000=9070 kg/s (this is force)
9070 (force) * t(time required to stop train) = 2008*1000 (mass in Kgs) * 88.5(change in velocity. SInce we want the train to stop, we have to use the value here that represents how much it has to slow down in order to stop...it is positive since it is really change in velocity.)
9070*t=17700*1000= 17700000
17700000/9070= 1951.488 seconds
That can't be right. Or is it?
Maybe that scene really shows Spiderman putting out a force much higher than I thought.
Let's retry.
x* (we'll say 40 seconds...I don't know how long that scene is.) 40 = 17700000
17700000/40 = 442500
divide that by a thousand to get force in tonnes...
442.5
Is spider man really that strong?
That would be a ridiculous overpowerment by the creators. lol
I probably made several errors in my logic on the calculations...as I never did accelerations that were acted on by an outside force...but I did collisions...but I don't see how that can be applied to this.
Originally posted by Robtard
Good lord, this idiocy again.Movie feats, Spiderman was strong enough to stop that train, werewolf has nothing on that. Spiderman punching and not holding back would go through that furry thing like butter, he could also web his ass up and then begin tearing limbs.
Durability, see him taking blows from a giant Sandmanand still being able to get up and fight, I doubt were-boy can hit as hard as a 50+ Sandman made of concrete and sand.
Speed, agility and reaction time, he has over were-boy too, going by movie feats and not "he's a werewolf who pwned Dracula!"
QFT
Spidey'd have no trouble avoiding teeth, given his agility, ridiculously effective Spidey Sense, uber reflexes to act on them etc.
And like you say, there is no way that Lycan has Sandman devastation strength.
Spidey murders Van Helsing and delivers the remains on a pizza ala Spidey 2.
I'm not seeing it. Helsing hops onto Dracula twice, hangs on the second time while pounding the crap out of him and... that's it.
Meanwhile, Spiderman has all this. Plus all of Spiderman 1, all the other fight/chase scenes in Spiderman 2, and all of Spiderman 3.
In fact, not only is Spiderman more agile, it isn't even close.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Watching Van Helsing objectively nets you a more agile Werewolf in VH. We don't see Spiderman do that to that extreme in any of the movies.
Actually, we kind of do on a regular basis. It can't be easy navigating the skyline of New York at freeway speeds and not crash into the side of a building. Then there's the whole fight in the subway, a narrow enclosed space that's sometimes occupied by a high speed vehicle that could splatter Spidey like a big bug. 😐
Originally posted by Eminence
This?I'm not seeing it. Helsing hops onto Dracula twice, hangs on the second time while pounding the crap out of him and... that's it.
Meanwhile, Spiderman has all this. Plus all of Spiderman 1, all the other fight/chase scenes in Spiderman 2, and all of Spiderman 3.
In fact, not only is Spiderman more agile, it isn't even close.
I just have to point out that everytime I see the train scene, Tobey's face of straining reminds me of Chuckie from the Child's Play horror series. In that clip, it's at 5:50. Makes me chuckle whenever I see it. XD
Originally posted by XanatosForeverhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1hUJP-1EE
Actually, we kind of do on a regular basis. It can't be easy navigating the skyline of New York at freeway speeds and not crash into the side of a building. Then there's the whole fight in the subway, a narrow enclosed space that's sometimes occupied by a high speed vehicle that could splatter Spidey like a big bug. 😐
Skip to 2:12. It's an alternate scene, granted, but I think it'd take more than a train to splatter Spiderman.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthOK Riggs, all of Spidey's battles (Against amped up villians, not against street scum), how did Spidey do as far as avoiding beign hit a handful of times? Break it down for me, battle by battle.
QFTSpidey'd have no trouble avoiding teeth, given his agility, ridiculously effective Spidey Sense, uber reflexes to act on them etc.
And like you say, there is no way that Lycan has Sandman devastation strength.
Spidey murders Van Helsing and delivers the remains on a pizza ala Spidey 2.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK Riggs, all of Spidey's battles (Against amped up villians, not against street scum), how did Spidey do as far as avoiding beign hit a handful of times? Break it down for me, battle by battle.
For the 50th time, we go by greatest feats. When slower opponents hit Spider-man, he's usually juggling some other shit, trying to save someone or whatnot.
Main point, Spider-man is going to be able to hit him several times before that furry nut-sack has a chance to get a hit in and then it'd be to late.
Werewolf is simply outclassed in every single category, only thing he has is that regen, which would be a tide-turner, if his body was unbreakable.