Originally posted by Enyalus
And Magus at his peak had the Soul Gem, and is plenty capable of manipulating all of that darkness in DS's soul.
But how is he going to make him do anything? That would involve affecting free will, that can't happen with a being who has complete knowledge of Antilife and is the god of said concept i.e. he has complete understanding of the concepts that allow for the existence of a soul gem.
The same way he understood that some of Emperor Joker's powers resulted from the existence of the concept of Anti-Life. Understanding at the conceptual level.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Having the knowledge to know you're being manipulated and having the power to stop it are two entirely different things.
The NG deal with things similar to the IG at a first cause level. The gems are only the "effect" (they are non essential to the existence of certain forces), Anti-life is a cause (essential to the existence of certain universal forces). The Source was the first cause, and by understanding what came before, the NG can control any energy or force. (e.g. the 7 imperishable treasures )
Cause and effect. The Source is the first cause, the ultimate concept from which all other concepts are formed.
Any kind of control (psionic or otherwise) that affects/tampers with a persons free will is an effect of the existence of the concept of Anti-life.
How can a mere gem affect a being who has already deciphered the 1st cause for the existence of such things? That's the whole point of the knowledge the understanding is much deeper than the effect (artifacts, gems etc) Mind control, soul control etc all exist because of the concept of Anti-life.
Originally posted by Allankles
The NG deal with things similar to the IG at a first cause level. The gems are only the "effect" (they are non essential to the existence of certain forces), Anti-life is a cause (essential to the existence of certain universal forces). The Source was the first cause, and by understanding what came before, the NG can control any energy or force. (e.g. the 7 imperishable treasures )
But no, the gems are not only the 'effect.' The Infinity Being was the first thing in existence. Those gems are pieces of her power. The Mind Gem grants total control over the mind, the Space Gem over space, etc. The Soul Gem is no different.
There's also nothing stopping Magus from sucking Darkseid into Soul World.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat did Ds due on panel in fc to prove he can use the ale to dominate someone into submission? Morrison went on to explain how much Darkseid exaggerates his role in all of this. He is full of himself.
This is current/recent iterations, and he has been the god of anti-life from the beginning.
Originally posted by Enyalus
You sound like Aristotle. And I don't like that. uhuhBut no, the gems are not only the 'effect.' The Infinity Being was the first thing in existence. Those gems are pieces of her power. The Mind Gem grants total control over the mind, the Space Gem over space, etc. The Soul Gem is no different.
There's also nothing stopping Magus from sucking Darkseid into Soul World.
The gems are physical representations of essential concepts already in existence, they are not essential to the existence of the concepts that formed them.
DS can also bfr people to oblivion or enclose them in the life-trap.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What did Ds due on panel in fc to prove he can use the ale to dominate someone into submission? Morrison went on to explain how much Darkseid exaggerates his role in all of this. He is full of himself.
Anti-life is a concept the anti-thesis of life, capable of disproving the very concept of free will. These a Morrison's own words btw. Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman) is one of the few beings capable of resisting anti-life, which is why New Genesis chose him as a weapon against Apokolips. Miracle is unique and he's the avatar of the god of freedom anyway (Scott Free).
Originally posted by Allankles
The gems are physical representations of essential concepts already in existence, they are not essential to the existence of the concepts that formed them.
So if Orion dies, War dies? If Darkseid dies, Evil dies? If Scott Free dies, Freedom dies?
Nope.
DS's control over anti-life is not superior to Magus' control of the Soul Gem.
Originally posted by AllanklesDo you ever answer a question? Ever?
Anti-life is a concept the anti-thesis of life, capable of disproving the very concept of free will. These a Morrison's own words btw. Mister Miracle (Shilo Norman) is one of the few beings capable of resisting anti-life, which is why New Genesis chose him as a weapon against Apokolips. Miracle is unique and he's the avatar of the god of freedom anyway (Scott Free).
You just spout nonsense. How does the ale help him here? What did he do with it in fc?
Originally posted by Enyalus
So if Orion dies, War dies? If Darkseid dies, Evil dies? If Scott Free dies, Freedom dies?Nope.
DS's control over anti-life is not superior to Magus' control of the Soul Gem.
Orion is the god of the fight not war par se, and his death affected the heroes effectiveness in combat. Free had an avatar Shilo Norman and Norman's death would herald the end of freedom (so yes freedom would die in a sense), remember he had possession of the life equation and possessed the knowledge on how to protect against anti-life.
Difference is Anti-life is a first cause and the gem isn't. The gem can also be taken away through physical means.
Originally posted by AllanklesThe gem has total mastery over souls. Ds doesn't.
Orion is the god of the fight not war par se, and his death affected the heroes effectiveness in combat. Free had an avatar Shilo Norman and Norman's death would herald the end of freedom (so yes freedom would die in a sense), remember he had possession of the life equation and possessed the knowledge on how to protect against anti-life.Difference is Anti-life is a first cause and the gem isn't. The gem can also be taken away through physical means.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you ever answer a question? Ever?You just spout nonsense. How does the ale help him here? What did he do with it in fc?
You're the one who keeps saying you've read these comics, so I wonder why I have to explain things to you.
I already answered your question (according to the expectation that you've read the comic 7 soldiers to FC), in Morrison's continuity DS could infect people with the equation by simply whispering it to them.