New Gods VS Not New Gods....

Originally posted by Allankles
That's the Magus with the incomplete gauntlet (Warlocks twin peak). Do you have the scans, I could have sworn he had 5 or so of the gems when he fought Thanos.

Also there are characters who've resisted the soul gem directly (Count Abyss) with magic etc. The soul gem isn't insurmountable, and it would be irrelevant to a being with mastery of the concepts that give rise to such things.

Thanos didn't defeat Magus. Did you even read the story?

Did count abyss resist it by will power alone like you said?

Originally posted by Allankles
😎 That's Metron in the wheel chair, asking Nix Uotan (whom he probably doesn't know) why he's special. Metron in Morrison's continuity had the life equation and helped Shilo Norman unlock the knowledge of the life equation hidden in his own mind. The other being is an unknown, there's a theory that he was Highfather, but Morisson has stated only Metron survived the war in heaven.

Many can resist the ale and you still don't have Ds using it like he did in death of the new gods. It has been downgraded.

Originally posted by Allankles
Well it really comes down to interpretation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus at his peak is the afro magus. The one with the incomplete ig is spite.

Thanos didn't defeat Magus. Did you even read the story?

Did count abyss resist it by will power alone like you said?

Who said anything about defeating him?

Afro Magus is irrelevant, point is the gems can be turned on their users, and the Soul gem is irrelevant when you have mastery of the concepts that allow it to exist (1st cause).

Who resisted the ALE, one way or another, doesn't change the fact that you're not controlling the someone that's mastered the concept. And DS can whisper the ALE to infect others in Morrison's continuity (which is a slight variation from DOTNG).

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it states it plain as day. You can refuse it and create your own theories like you always do, but that doesn't change it one bit.

I guess you have to be crazy to resist the ALE then. Point is Anti-life is a 1st cause, a soul gem isn't going to affect DS.

Originally posted by Allankles
Who said anything about defeating him?

Afro Magus is irrelevant, point is the gems can be turned on their users, and the Soul gem is irrelevant when you have mastery of the concepts that allow it to exist (1st cause).

Who resisted the ALE, one way or another, doesn't change the fact that you're not controlling the someone that's mastered the concept. And DS can whisper the ALE to infect others in Morrison's continuity (which is a slight variation from DOTNG).

Show someone turning a gem on it's own user. You just make claims you cannot back up while I continually show you up even when it comes to Darkseid.

Soul gem doesn't fail while the ale fails. Ds wasn't seen whispering anything to anyone including Superman and Batman.

Originally posted by Allankles
I guess you have to be crazy to resist the ALE then. Point is Anti-life is a 1st cause, a soul gem isn't going to affect DS.

Originally posted by Allankles
Those were his minions. Abyss has a soul he just has enough magic to turn the gems against their users.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the ale has been changed and it now cannot even affect insane people and those "wired differently."

Show someone turning a gem on it's own user. You just make claims you cannot back up while I continually show you up even when it comes to Darkseid.

Soul gem doesn't fail while the ale fails. Ds wasn't seen whispering anything to anyone including Superman and Batman.

Count abyys was able to use the magic given to him by his god to manipulate the powers of the gems and turn them on their users the infinity guardians/watch. Abyss has a soul the only thing that is unique with it is that he gave up his rights to it i.e. if he reclaims the rights to his soul he loses his powers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why isn't the soul gem going to affect Darkseid? Provide proof not another nonsensical response.

Why should I repeat myself? Or don't you have any idea what the ALE is? It's pointless to argue with you if you don't even understand the ALE.

I already adressed this. The soul gem is only the effect of the something that came before. In terms of any force or power that overrides free will, what came before, was the concept of Anti-life.

Which in turn came from the Source (the ultimate concept).

In Marvel this first cause was a dying god, who in turn may have been created by another concept.

Anti-life is the reason why mind/soul control or any other form of manipulation that affects free will exists, it is the concept that gives rise to such forces.

Anything that affects free will is born of the concept of Anti-life (one of the many concepts originating from the Source).

Originally posted by Allankles
Count abyys was able to use the magic given to him by his god to manipulate the powers of the gems and turn them on their users the infinity guardians/watch. Abyss has a soul the only thing that is unique with it is that he gave up his rights to it i.e. if he reclaims the rights to his soul he loses his powers.

Originally posted by Allankles
Why should I repeat myself? Or don't you have any idea what the ALE is? It's pointless argue with you if you don't even understand the ALE.

Right...

Soul Gem controls souls. DS has a soul.

Ergo, Soul Gem controls DS.

Simple.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Right...

Soul Gem controls souls. DS has a soul.

Ergo, Soul Gem controls DS.

Simple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I understand the ale completely. It's you that can't even comprehend simple scans from fc. You keep claiming it can;t affect Ds. Show me a scan proving your point. I back up all my stances with scans while you don't.

If you understood it we wouldn't be having this argument.

The ALE is a cosmic first-cause blue print on the nature of the complete absence of freedom. It seems to be too deep for you to comprehend but in truth it's very simple. A god weapon capable of enslaving souls and disproving the very concept of free will. Cause and effect.

It's more like the mind gem and soul gem melded into one.

Originally posted by Allankles
A god weapon capable of enslaving souls. Cause and effect.

You've just described the Soul Gem.

Originally posted by Enyalus
You've just described the Soul Gem.

The only similarity between them is that one basic effect. The ALE is the god of the soul gem and mind gem (in other words).

An intangible, unimaginable concept.

Originally posted by Allankles
The only similarity between them is that one basic effect. The ALE is the god of the soul gem and mind gem (in other words).

An intangible, unimaginable concept.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The Soul Gem doesn't have the ALE's limitations. It wouldn't have failed to affect, say, Turpin.

Hey I'm just schooling people on the differences between a concept and physical artifact. The former is a cause the latter merely an effect.

DS possessed Turpin's body.

Originally posted by Allankles
Hey I'm just schooling people on the differences between a concept and physical artifact. The former is a cause the latter merely an effect.