New Gods VS Not New Gods....

Started by Allankles15 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
The gem has total mastery over souls. Ds doesn't.

Hardly seeing as people have resisted Magus without any special immunity. And the ALE enslaves souls by the by.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're the one who keeps saying you've read these comics, so I wonder why I have to explain things to you.

I already answered your question (according to the expectation that you've read the comic 7 soldiers to FC), in Morrison's continuity DS could infect people with the equation by simply whispering it to them.

Why didn't he stop Batman? He spoke to him. Why didn't he tell him to stop? Looks like your theory is just an off panel theory of yours.

Originally posted by Allankles
Hardly seeing as people have resisted Magus without any special immunity. And the ALE enslaves souls by the by.
All kinds of people resisted the ale. All kinds of people can't resist the soul gem. Mastery over souls unlike Ds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why didn't he stop Batman? He spoke to him. Why didn't he tell him to stop? Looks like your theory is just an off panel theory of yours.

I don't remember him whispering the equation to Bats. And I've already told you he infected people with the ALE by whispering the equation to them in the same Morrison continuity. How is that a theory?

Originally posted by quanchi112
All kinds of people resisted the ale. All kinds of people can't resist the soul gem. Mastery over souls unlike Ds.

Who are these all kinds of people? Nix Uotan a Monitor, the avatar of freedom (Shilo Norman) and an insane and broken Metron. And the soul gem can be resisted with will power. And what does it matter? the ALE dictates the nature of such things.

Originally posted by Allankles
Hardly seeing as people have resisted Magus without any special immunity. And the ALE enslaves souls by the by.

Who resisted Afro-Magus?

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't remember him whispering the equation to Bats. And I've already told you he infected people with the ALE by whispering the equation to them in the same Morrison continuity. How is that a theory?
Why wouldn't he whisper it to save his life? The problem is in the comic Ds isn't portrayed how you make him out to be.
Originally posted by Allankles
Who are these all kinds of people? Nix Uotan a Monitor, the avatar of freedom (Shilo Norman) and an insane and broken Metron. And the soul gem can be resisted with will power. And what does it matter? the ALE dictates the nature of such things.
Normal people resisted. Can you cite one example of someone resisting the soul gem through will power?

I think you are making things up again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why wouldn't he whisper it to save his life? The problem is in the comic Ds isn't portrayed how you make him out to be. Normal people resisted. Can you cite one example of someone resisting the soul gem through will power?

I think you are making things up again.

You're asking a dumb question e.g. "Why didn't Magus control all the heroes souls in the Infinity War?" DS hit Bats with the OS, and he was about to do the same to Supes before the Black Racer intervened.

Which normal person has resisted the ALE? Nix Uotan is a Monitor, his race is only affected by "story" through the Bleed and he may well have resisted because he became mortal again and was no longer directly infected by DS's story.

Metron and Mister Miracle possess the life equation (the anti- ALE), with Mister Miracle also being the avatar of freedom.

Thanos resisted Magus in the infinity war without any powerup or special immunity.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're asking a dumb question e.g. "Why didn't Magus control all the heroes souls in the Infinity War?" DS hit Bats with the OS, and he was about to do the same to Supes before the Black Racer intervened.

Which normal person has resisted the ALE? Nix Uotan is a Monitor, his race is only affected by "story" through the Bleed and he may well have resisted because he became mortal again and was no longer directly infected by DS's story.

Metron and Mister Miracle possess the life equation (the anti- ALE), with Mister Miracle also being the avatar of freedom.

Thanos resisted Magus in the infinity war without any powerup or special immunity.

Wrong Magus. Did you know there were two? I mean did ya?

Magus never attempted using the soul gem on Thanos during the infinity war. I tseems you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Scan showing people resisting anti- life. Looks like I'm right once again. All you have to do is be wired differently.

Magus definitely qualifies as being 'wired differently.'

Originally posted by Enyalus
Magus definitely qualifies as being 'wired differently.'
As do many others. Ale was downgraded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong Magus. Did you know there were two? I mean did ya?

Magus never attempted using the soul gem on Thanos during the infinity war. I tseems you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

That's the Magus with the incomplete gauntlet (Warlocks twin peak). Do you have the scans, I could have sworn he had 5 or so of the gems when he fought Thanos.

Also there are characters who've resisted the soul gem directly (Count Abyss) with magic etc. The soul gem isn't insurmountable, and it would be irrelevant to a being with mastery of the concepts that give rise to such things.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Scan showing people resisting anti- life. Looks like I'm right once again. All you have to do is be wired differently.

😎 That's Metron in the wheel chair, asking Nix Uotan (whom he probably doesn't know) why he's special. Metron in Morrison's continuity had the life equation and helped Shilo Norman unlock the knowledge of the life equation hidden in his own mind. The other being is an unknown, there's a theory that he was Highfather, but Morisson has stated only Metron survived the war in heaven.

Originally posted by Allankles
That's the Magus with the incomplete gauntlet (Warlocks twin peak). Do you have the scans, I could have sworn he had 5 or so of the gems when he fought Thanos.

Yes.

Originally posted by Allankles
Also there are characters who've resisted the soul gem directly (Count Abyss) with magic etc.

Holy shit, nice reference.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Magus definitely qualifies as being 'wired differently.'

Not differently enough. Uotan is a mortal Monitor no longer affected by story. And Metron has the life equation. Not to mention the motherbox which he unlocked with the number of God.

That's why I asked Quan who are these normal people that could resist the ALE, there are none.

Originally posted by Allankles
Not differently enough. Uotan is a mortal Monitor no longer affected by story. And Metron has the life equation. Not to mention the motherbox which he unlocked with the number of God.

That's why I asked Quan who are these normal people that could resist the ALE, there are none.

Metron says, 'All the people Anti-Life can't affect: the crazy people, the ones wired up different.'

He includes crazy people in that, and he also makes it sound like a lot of people, by saying 'all.'

Magus is extremely evil, and thinks of himself as a God...controlling a thousand worlds via brute force. He definitely counts.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Metron says, '[b]All the people Anti-Life can't affect: the crazy people, the ones wired up different.'

He includes crazy people in that, and he also makes it sound like a lot of people, by saying 'all.'

Magus is extremely evil, and thinks of himself as a God...controlling a thousand worlds via brute force. He definitely counts. [/B]

Well it really comes down to interpretation.

Count abyss had no soul, that's why he was able resist the SG

and thanos bowed to the magus via the power of the soul,mind,power gems.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Count abyss had no soul, that's why he was able resist the SG

and thanos bowed to the magus via the power of the soul,mind,power gems.

Those were his minions. Abyss has a soul he just has enough magic to turn the gems against their users.