Originally posted by KCJ506
My choices would be Riddler, Black Mask, and Catwoman. The latter two would fit with each other since they've had stories together in the comics. And it would be interesting if Catwoman kills Black Mask since Batman doesn't kill.
Nolan has said no to Catwoman, Black Mask may possibly be the crime boss
And Talia is only interesting when she's around her father.
Talia would have to be rewritten, but she won't be in this at ll
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Nolan has said no to Catwoman,
No he didn't. If you're talking about the article were David Goyer was referring to people expecting certain characters to appear, he said "Everyone says it's gotta be Catwoman. Well I disagree. In other words, 'There's alot of character to work with, we're not just ticking off a list" Nowhere did he say in these exact words "We're not using Catwoman."
You're not the first person to misunderstand that quote and probably won't be the last. The only villains Nolan said no to were Joker, Penguin, and Mr Freeze.
Originally posted by KCJ506
No he didn't. If you're talking about the article were David Goyer was referring to people expecting certain characters to appear, he said "Everyone says it's gotta be Catwoman. Well I disagree. In other words, 'There's alot of character to work with, we're not just ticking off a list" Nowhere did he say in these exact words "We're not using Catwoman."
actually yes he has..
Originally posted by KCJ506
You're not the first person to misunderstand that quote and probably won't be the last. The only villains Nolan said no to were Joker, Penguin, and Mr Freeze.
don't have to misunderstand someone who has specifically said no
No he didn't. This was the exact quote
http://www.hecklerspray.com/batman-3-catwoman-the-penguin-to-remain-unemployed/200815249.php
“In the first movie we use Ra’s Al Ghul and The Scarecrow, who had not been in the movies before, and had not been in the sixties TV show before. And there are dozens if not hundreds of other characters that fit that bill. Everyone says its gotta be The Penguin or Catwoman… well I completely disagree.â€
Nowhere does he effing say "We're not using Catwoman."
Now Penguin has been ruled out not because of this article, but because of another article. I believe in the same article Nolan said he wouldn't be using Mr Freeze.
This article however doesn't completely rule out Catwoman. Its got to be, as in everyone is saying Catwoman has to be in the next film. He's simply saying that he disagrees that it has to be her, that it can any villain.
Now where's your source that has Nolan specifically saying Catwoman won't be in?
read this...
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a109540/batman-scribe-rules-out-penguin-catwoman.html
http://www.hecklerspray.com/batman-3-catwoman-the-penguin-to-remain-unemployed/200815249.php
not nolan talking but they share his views
Umm dude those are the same articles I just posted. And I'm gonna repeat what I said before.
Nowhere does he effing say "We're not using Catwoman."Now Penguin has been ruled out not because of this article, but because of another article. I believe in the same article Nolan said he wouldn't be using Mr Freeze.
This article however doesn't completely rule out Catwoman. Its got to be, as in everyone is saying Catwoman has to be in the next film. He's simply saying that he disagrees that it has to be her, that it can any villain.
Originally posted by KCJ506
Umm dude those are the same articles I just posted. And I'm gonna repeat what I said before.
well since you do not want to read what the first link says, well it says NO CATWOMAN,
, you see they want to introduce other villains and not the same tired ones...
from David Goyers own mouth..
The Dark Knight co-writer David Goyer has revealed that Catwoman and the Penguin are unlikely to feature in future Batman sequels.Goyer explained that, despite re-introducing the Joker in the upcoming sequel, the filmmakers want to explore new villains in future films.
He said: "Batman has been published for 70 years. In the first movie, we used Ra's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow, who had not been in the movies before, and had not been in the '60s TV show before.
"There are dozens if not hundreds of other characters that fit that bill. Everyone says it's got to be the Penguin or Catwoman [in the next film]... well I completely disagree."
Goyer of all people certainly should know so unless the Nolan Bros. and Goyer change their minds which obviously they can, i will beleve in what Goyer has said
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
well since you do not want to read what the first link says, well it says NO CATWOMAN,
After you talking about the title? Because the only thing it says is "Batman scribe rules out Penguin and Catwoman." No where does it say "No Catwoman." or use the exact words "We're not using Catwoman."
, you see they want to introduce other villains and not the same tired ones...from David Goyers own mouth..
Again this doesn't automatically rule out villains like Riddler or Catwoman. WB is probably going to want assurance that something is going to draw people into the new movie. That's why they'll probably want Nolan to use someone like The Riddler, Catwoman, or Penguin or another "well known" character (that the non-comics reading crowd can put their finger on because of the success of the 60s series). I don't think that's the line up, its possible that a Black Mask or Hugo Strange could be mixed in there somewhere but they wont be the main villain.
Goyer of all people certainly should know so unless the Nolan Bros. and Goyer change their minds which obviously they can, i will beleve in what Goyer has said
People need to stop listening to Goyer, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Nolan's had words to him on more than one occasion regarding opening his big mouth, whether it's the pre-planned trilogy or Catwoman not appearing or Dent becoming Two-face in film three, people have to stop taking his words as Gospel, he's not running the thing and doesn't speak for Chris. Stop using Goyer words, which never even said she wasn't an option, as evidence Catwoman is not going to appear.
Originally posted by KCJ506
After you talking about the title? Because the only thing it says is "Batman scribe rules out Penguin and Catwoman." No where does it say "No Catwoman." or use the exact words "We're not using Catwoman."Again this doesn't automatically rule out villains like Riddler or Catwoman. WB is probably going to want assurance that something is going to draw people into the new movie. That's why they'll probably want Nolan to use someone like The Riddler, Catwoman, or Penguin or another "well known" character (that the non-comics reading crowd can put their finger on because of the success of the 60s series). I don't think that's the line up, its possible that a Black Mask or Hugo Strange could be mixed in there somewhere but they wont be the main villain.
"Rules out" usually means "no". Maybe that's just where I come from, but that's usually what it means.
And I would hope what draws the people to the movie would be how good his first two were. He could literally put Crazy Quilt in the film and he'd find a way to make him compelling. I was hoping for the Reaper (since I've heard that Nolan likes the character, and he'd fit in well as Rachel's father) but that looks to be next to impossible, now.
Originally posted by Bat Dude
"Rules out" usually means "no". Maybe that's just where I come from, but that's usually what it means.
Yes, but nowhere in that article did it say that Catwoman wouldn't be in movie. Goyer just said that she didn't have to be in the movie like some people think. Not the same as just flatout saying she's out. He was making a point that there were plenty of other characters to choose from.
I see what KCJ is saying. The exact quotes from Goyer are saying that it doesn't have to be a big name like Catwoman. The authors of articles interpreted that as "no Catwoman" even though that is not what was actually said. So Goyer never ruled out Catwoman, but the article authors did write that she was ruled out. This is where the confusion is.
Originally posted by KCJ506
Yes, but nowhere in that article did it say that Catwoman wouldn't be in movie. Goyer just said that she didn't have to be in the movie like some people think. Not the same as just flatout saying she's out. He was making a point that there were plenty of other characters to choose from.
well since "the filmmakers want to explore new villains in future films."
that ends it all..
i do not see them changing their minds.. Catwoman, Robin, Penguin have to wait until the next person takes over the helm
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Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
well since "the filmmakers want to explore new villains in future films."
that ends it all..i do not see them changing their minds.. Catwoman, Robin, Penguin have to wait until the next person takes over the helm
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Once again, Goyer just said that they didn't have to always chose the obvious villains because Batman has such a diverse Rogues Gallery (they haven't said anything about who they are planning on picking)....although when you think about it not a lot of them would work in Nolan's world, so although Batman has a diverse cast of villains, Nolan's Batman doesn't.
That does not mean that Catwoman won't be in.
And anyway that article was from two years ago. Anything could have happened between then and now. If Nolan feels that she works in the movie he's gonna use her.
Originally posted by KCJ506
Once again, Goyer just said that they didn't have to always chose the obvious villains because Batman has such a diverse Rogues Gallery (they haven't said anything about who they are planning on picking)....although when you think about it not a lot of them would work in Nolan's world, so although Batman has a diverse cast of villains, Nolan's Batman doesn't.That does not mean that Catwoman won't be in.
well since Goyer said it, i am going to believe it and until i see from someone definitive proof that Catwoman is going to be in this, only than will i say can't wait to see her in the film
Originally posted by KCJ506
And anyway that article was from two years ago. Anything could have happened between then and now. If Nolan feels that she works in the movie he's gonna use her.
all these articles are old, so that is neither here nor there and yes it is up to Nolan and no one else, irregardless of what a fan wants
Originally posted by shorty19
The name of the title would be batman the crusader and the villins in the movie would be the joker(hopefully they rethink about killing him off and
find someone just as good if not better) and the return of the two-face.
You want a movie with Joker and Two-Face? Go watch TDK.
Originally posted by shorty19
The name of the title would be batman the crusader and the villins in the movie would be the joker(hopefully they rethink about killing him off
nah, christopher nolan has already put the kibosh on bringing back the joker
Originally posted by shorty19
the return of the two-face.
some say two face is alive so he could return, but nolan has said no