Violet (Ultraviolet) vs. John Preston.

Started by Rogue Jedi6 pages
Originally posted by omgchos
Read my post. There are no such things as hybrids in ultraviolet. They were just a shitload of asian gangsters. He wasn't afraid of them he just wanted to make sure violet didn't cut a deal with them. They were more afraid of violet than a bunch of humans. Which Violet and the gangsters combined would have killed all the hemos.

Afraid they would cut a deal with her? I'm sorry, did she attempt a deal with them? Nope. All she said was "let me pass."

What did Violet have to offer them? Nerva has money and power, Violet has shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Afraid they would cut a deal with her? I'm sorry, did she attempt a deal with them? Nope. All she said was "let me pass."

What did Violet have to offer them? Nerva has money and power, Violet has shit.


OMG i said they thought she might. I never said she tried. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by omgchos
12 trained soldiers is not an army of humans. Not all hemos are pwnage. Some yes. But you just proved my point. Maybe just him and a couple of his henchmen are as well trained. I never said violet wasn't uber pwnage. My point is that the gangsters arent vamps, or hybrids, but HUMAN.
I proved your point? Right......

BLOOD CHINOIS...........BLOOD......Why are they called Blood Chinois? And you still haven't answered why Nerva didn't pursue Violet himself. If Violet could take nerva and his men, then why did she run? Because they were all hemophages and she would have been killed, they were that well trained, not just regular hemophages. Nerva and his men, IF the Chinois were human, could have killed them in nanoseconds and gotten Violet back, but they didnt, because the Chinoic were too dangerous. Why were the Chinois so dangerous? Survey says......................................THEY WERENT HUMAN.

Originally posted by omgchos
OMG i said they thought she might. I never said she tried. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Nerva knew Violet inside and out, he knew what she could and couldnt do. Her striking a deal with the Chinois never factored into Nervas decision to bribe them, he bribed them because they outnumbered Nerva and his men and would have pwned them, or at least stood a good chance to do so.

Originally posted by omgchos
OMG i said they thought she might. I never said she tried. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I ain't buyin' that they were mere humans. That makes no sense. It totally doesn't fit into the plot. Why would violet be afraid of a bunch of lame ass human gangsters and why would they control stories in a building that also had a gang of hemophages? How could those "humans" have power over a gang of phages enough to make them everything short of scared shitless of them? Makes no sense unless they were not mere humans.

I think this would all be clear if we knew what the novel stated around this. Apparantly, there's tons of missing shit from the movie that gets explained in the novel.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I ain't buyin' that they were mere humans. That makes no sense. It totally doesn't fit into the plot. Why would violet be afraid of a bunch of lame ass human gangsters and why would they control stories in a building that also had a gang of hemophages? How could those "humans" have power over a gang of phages enough to make them everything short of scared shitless of them? Makes no sense unless they were not mere humans.

I think this would all be clear if we knew what the novel stated around this. Apparantly, there's tons of missing shit from the movie that gets explained in the novel.

EXACTLY.....Why did she drop her gun if they were human? Why not just tear through them from the get go if they were but mere mortals? Why? I'll tell you why. Because she knew they were badasses, NOT humans, plain and simple. The fact that she uberpwned their asses is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
EXACTLY.....Why did she drop her gun if they were human? Why not just tear through them from the get go if they were but mere mortals? Why? I'll tell you why. Because she knew they were badasses, NOT humans, plain and simple. The fact that she uberpwned their asses is irrelevant.

She was nervous about it and she even took some damage. It wasn't like she uberly pwned them...just dodged with style while allowing them to take each other out.

"Violet was gonna strike a deal with them".......haermm

What was she gonna do, give them all hemo head?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"Violet was gonna strike a deal with them".......haermm

What was she gonna do, give them all hemo head?

lulz

Look iv'e prooved my point. I mean i could make up stuff that was never mentioned once in the movie. Like they were hybrids. And if violet was so afraid y did she run up there. And who says they didn't have a truce with the hemos. Like some kind of armistice. Respect goes a long way. And how do u know what violet had up her sleeve. She could have lots and lots of money, which is why he said give them anything, so no matter what violet offered them they would get more. And are you saying the Bloods, the modern day gang, are vampires cuz they call themselves bloods. That logic is flawed. They could call themselves blood chinois for many reasons. Chinois itself means chinamen. And if they were so afraid of them they have misplaced their fear. They didn't even put up a fight. Violet got wounded just fighting a roomfull of humans with swords. So by your logic ultimate feared hybrids = a bunch of guys who kill each other with their own guns and dont scratch her, and 20 or so humans with swords = Violet hurting herself cuz she has no choice but to block some swords with her hands. Damn these vampires must be retarted for fearing these hybrids. OR they just had a mutual agreement not to kill each other. And if he "knew what violet could and could not do"..... Then y did he think he'd have to pay the gang to do what he wanted. Why not say let her go the blood chinois are gonna pwn her anyway. Nope lets pay them money to die. So lets think about this for a second.
First, violet gets away, cuz shes good at getting away.
Second, his henchman tells him the blood chinois control the top floors, so he says give them whatever they want.
Third, Violet gets up there and says they aren't vampires, or arch ministry, which was meant to imply that they had no reason to be surrounding her.
Last, she pwns them without a scratch.

If they were hybrids that were supposedly uber pwnage this is how it would have gone down.

First, Violet escapes, heading downstairs this time, cuz heading upstairs with no way out into a den of pwnage hybrids is retarted(her not knowing they were there lets us know that she had never heard of them, you'd think Ultimate hybrids that vamps are afraid of woulda had more of a reputation)
Second, Nerva says eh **** it let her go get pwned, these guys aren't gonna like her on their turf.
Third, violet isnt up there because that would be retarted of her... But for arguments sake lets say she went.... She has to put up a bit more of fight because she can't pwn hybrids one minute and have trouble with 20 guys that have swords, not guns.

Originally posted by omgchos
Look iv'e prooved my point. I mean i could make up stuff that was never mentioned once in the movie. Like they were hybrids. And if violet was so afraid y did she run up there. And who says they didn't have a truce with the hemos. Like some kind of armistice. Respect goes a long way. And how do u know what violet had up her sleeve. She could have lots and lots of money, which is why he said give them anything, so no matter what violet offered them they would get more. And are you saying the Bloods, the modern day gang, are vampires cuz they call themselves bloods. That logic is flawed. They could call themselves blood chinois for many reasons. Chinois itself means chinamen. And if they were so afraid of them they have misplaced their fear. They didn't even put up a fight. Violet got wounded just fighting a roomfull of humans with swords. So by your logic ultimate feared hybrids = a bunch of guys who kill each other with their own guns and dont scratch her, and 20 or so humans with swords = Violet hurting herself cuz she has no choice but to block some swords with her hands. Damn these vampires must be retarted for fearing these hybrids. OR they just had a mutual agreement not to kill each other. And if he "knew what violet could and could not do"..... Then y did he think he'd have to pay the gang to do what he wanted. Why not say let her go the blood chinois are gonna pwn her anyway. Nope lets pay them money to die. So lets think about this for a second.
First, violet gets away, cuz shes good at getting away.
Second, his henchman tells him the blood chinois control the top floors, so he says give them whatever they want.
Third, Violet gets up there and says they aren't vampires, or arch ministry, which was meant to imply that they had no reason to be surrounding her.
Last, she pwns them without a scratch.

If they were hybrids that were supposedly uber pwnage this is how it would have gone down.

First, Violet escapes, heading downstairs this time, cuz heading upstairs with no way out into a den of pwnage hybrids is retarted(her not knowing they were there lets us know that she had never heard of them, you'd think Ultimate hybrids that vamps are afraid of woulda had more of a reputation)
Second, Nerva says eh **** it let her go get pwned, these guys aren't gonna like her on their turf.
Third, violet isnt up there because that would be retarted of her... But for arguments sake lets say she went.... She has to put up a bit more of fight because she can't pwn hybrids one minute and have trouble with 20 guys that have swords, not guns.

Dude, Violet has 6, who is like the most important and valuable person in existence. He is the key to wiping out the hemophages. You telling me that Nerva chose not to pursue Violet and 6 and said "**** it let her get pwned?"

Get real, anyone in Nerva's shoes would tear through the Blood Chinois (IF they were human) and pursued Violet themselves. But they WEREN'T human. Case closed.

So Chinois means Chinamen, but why BLOOD Chinamen? Still waiting on an answer there.

If you read my post i answered that already. And y do u only use two pieces of evidence to support your arguments. U keep repeating that they call themselves Blood China men. U know i could call myself skippy. It doesn't make me jar of peanut butter. The other thing you keep repeating is that Nerva was afraid of them. I saw nothing to indicate fear. I saw him tell the guy to offer them money to apprehend violet. If he had just ripped through them violet would probably have escaped. At the very least it would have provided her a good distraction to facilitate an escape. On the other hand he could just pay them and hope they got lucky. It wasn't the gang he was afraid of. It was violet. But he had to try. Again i say, how can a rooftop full of hybrid pwnage, get killed without violet even laying a hand on them. They were so stupid that they killed each other. Then she faces 20 humans with swords and has a less than easy time dispatching them. This logic is flawed. You're assigning a title to a bunch of pushovers, that makes them out to be something that was not once mentioned in the movie. Then you go as far to say that these hemos were afraid of them simply because they paid them. Lets say u were a vampire and u were chasing an even more pwnage vampire, that would most likely kill you if you cornered him. Then this vamp runs into a neighborhood controlled by a plethora of gun wielding gangsters. Would you pay them on the off chance that they get lucky(strength in numbers maybe), or would you run in there and hope you could pwn hundreds of gangsters on your way up, while pursuing an ultimate vampire that would probably use the insuing chaos to escape. Answer me that, cuz iv'e answered your questions a couple of times.

Originally posted by omgchos
If you read my post i answered that already. And y do u only use two pieces of evidence to support your arguments. U keep repeating that they call themselves Blood China men. U know i could call myself skippy. It doesn't make me jar of peanut butter.
Why would a group of mortal men, in such a society as in the movie, call themselves the Blood Chinois? Think about that. Hemophages were greatly discriminated against, hunted and killed. For a gang to assume a title that implies they might be hemophages is suicide, it is the epitome of stupidity.

The other thing you keep repeating is that Nerva was afraid of them. I saw nothing to indicate fear. I saw him tell the guy to offer them money to apprehend violet. If he had just ripped through them violet would probably have escaped. At the very least it would have provided her a good distraction to facilitate an escape. On the other hand he could just pay them and hope they got lucky. It wasn't the gang he was afraid of. It was violet. But he had to try.
Hoped they got lucky? Dude, thats crap. Nerva could have just as quickly made his way to the top floor with his men, ripped through the Chinois, and apprehended Violet, IF the Chinois were mortal men. You are ignoring how valuable 6 was, and that entrusting a bunch of mortal asians to apprehend Violet was a sure loss.

He knew that the Chinois, who are neither mortal nor hemophage, would have a good chance of capturing her, that's why he bribed them to apprehend/kill her. Placing his trust in the hands of a bunch of mortals is suicide.

Again i say, how can a rooftop full of hybrid pwnage, get killed without violet even laying a hand on them. They were so stupid that they killed each other.
You just said it, STUPID, not weak. The Chinois were powerful, more powerful than humans, but they made a bone headed error by surrounding her like that.

Then she faces 20 humans with swords and has a less than easy time dispatching them. This logic is flawed.
Which scene in particular are you talking about? Scene number, please.

You're assigning a title to a bunch of pushovers, that makes them out to be something that was not once mentioned in the movie. Then you go as far to say that these hemos were afraid of them simply because they paid them.
No, I am using the scenes and dialogue from the movie and using common sense to decipher what went on. YOU are reaching.

Lets say u were a vampire and u were chasing an even more pwnage vampire, that would most likely kill you if you cornered him. Then this vamp runs into a neighborhood controlled by a plethora of gun wielding gangsters. Would you pay them on the off chance that they get lucky(strength in numbers maybe), or would you run in there and hope you could pwn hundreds of gangsters on your way up, while pursuing an ultimate vampire that would probably use the insuing chaos to escape. Answer me that, cuz iv'e answered your questions a couple of times.
Depends. If they had only pissed me off, then yeah, I'd pay the mortal men to kill them. BUT, if the runaway vamp were in possession of someone as valuable and as deadly as 6, a kid that would seal my doom, that would kill my entire species, then I would enter the neighborhood, kill the gangsters, then kill the runaway vamp.

Bottom line......Nerva did not pursue Violet to the top floors because the Chinois were too powerful for he and his men to take down.

"You're not Archministry, you're not even Vampire."

The Blood Chinois are something in between, a hybrid mix. End of story.

Arch ministry means human does it? Im afraid not RJ.

Question.....Do you think the Blood Chinois were confident that they could take Violet?

Originally posted by omgchos
Arch ministry means human does it? Im afraid not RJ.

What are your exceptions? Daxus? You mean the guy who kept his "hemophage" secret, secret? 😉

FFS, would it be too difficult for you phags to just say vampires instead of hemophages?

John preston has feelings, guys... come on

Originally posted by Robtard
FFS, would it be too difficult for you phags to just say vampires instead of hemophages?

It goes as either, but they are canonically called hemophages. Street name is vampires. Two letter difference. Is it REALLY that big of a deal to you? 🙂

Violet Preston or John Violet! ZOMG!