Violet (Ultraviolet) vs. John Preston. · Movie Versus Forum

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, I am using logic and common sense. The fact that Nerva had to pay them off, the fact that they took on Violet in the first place, this all points to them being not human. You cannot give one good reason why Nerva had to pay them off, can you? And why they are called the Blood Chinois? Hmm? And please do not start with Violet making a "deal" with them.
They would have to be idiots to take her in if they were human, doncha think? What human in his/her right mind would take on a hemophage? Why did Violet drop her gun? Why didnt she jus tear through them right away? Why did the Chinois occupy the top floor of that big ass building, SHARING it with hemophages? Why did the Chinois demand such respect?

Look ive answered all of your question over and over again. I keep telling you that these are inferences not facts. We can all guess about things that may or may not have happened in a movie. Like in pulp fiction a lot of people think that marcellas wallace's soul is the item in the briefcase. Also people think that behind the band-aid on his neck is the number 666, meaning he may have sold his soul to the devil. These are good guesses, but only guesses. No matter how much we want to believe them they are never substantiated in the movie. So no matter how much you want to believe they are hybrids, you can't say for sure that they are. A gang can name itself anything. Until YOU can show proof that hybrids are mentioned even ONCE in the movie you will continue to be wrong. Please prove me wrong. U probably watched it again and realized that you are wrong and are just gonna keep speculating. So as ive said please prove me wrong. I will completely agree with you that they are hybrids if you can back it up somehow with facts from the movie. And i don't mean their name or that nerva paid them off or that they seemed over confident in fighting violet. These prove that they are simply a very powerfull gang that is overconfident as most gangs are.

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Originally posted by omgchos
Look ive answered all of your question over and over again. I keep telling you that these are inferences not facts. We can all guess about things that may or may not have happened in a movie. Like in pulp fiction a lot of people think that marcellas wallace's soul is the item in the briefcase. Also people think that behind the band-aid on his neck is the number 666, meaning he may have sold his soul to the devil. These are good guesses, but only guesses. No matter how much we want to believe them they are never substantiated in the movie. So no matter how much you want to believe they are hybrids, you can't say for sure that they are. A gang can name itself anything. Until YOU can show proof that hybrids are mentioned even ONCE in the movie you will continue to be wrong. Please prove me wrong. U probably watched it again and realized that you are wrong and are just gonna keep speculating. So as ive said please prove me wrong. I will completely agree with you that they are hybrids if you can back it up somehow with facts from the movie. And i don't mean their name or that nerva paid them off or that they seemed over confident in fighting violet. These prove that they are simply a very powerfull gang that is overconfident as most gangs are.

OK Lemmee try this a different way....If you were the leader of a human gang like the Chinois, and you knew what Violet was capable of, would you take her on?

omgchos The Man From Ireland

OMG you're acting as if i dont get what your trying to say. I get it man, you think they are hybrids because the aren't afraid of violet. By that logic the arch ministry should be hybrids as well. Hell your making her sound like a god. If i had 50 armed men, hardened gangsters i might add, yes i'd take on violet if the price was right. Shes not Effing Dr. Manhattan, you can beat her with enough people. Ill admit 50 isn't enough, but maybe they didn't know that.

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Originally posted by omgchos
OMG you're acting as if i dont get what your trying to say. I get it man, you think they are hybrids because the aren't afraid of violet. By that logic the arch ministry should be hybrids as well. Hell your making her sound like a god. If i had 50 armed men, hardened gangsters i might add, yes i'd take on violet if the price was right. Shes not Effing Dr. Manhattan, you can beat her with enough people. Ill admit 50 isn't enough, but maybe they didn't know that.

No, I am saying they aren't human because they decided to take on Violet, to take on a hemophage.

The Archministry relied on it's sheer numbers, which was surely in the hundreds of thousands, at least.

The Blood Chinois occupied the top ten floors in a building that Hemophages shared with them. Apparently the Chinois were highly intelligent, or they would not have attained their level of power. Surely they knew the capabilities of a hemophage, and particularly Violet, since they shared a frigging building with her boss.

BTW, The Chinois did not have 50 men, they had but ten-ish.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Omg. look i dont care how much you want to believe they're hybrids. I'll i asked was for to you to find someone in the movie that even mentioned them. But i guess that was too much to ask. You can go ahead and believe they are hybrids. We are the only ones posting in this thread anyway. Violet wins and they aren't hybrids..... Peace.

WO Polaski Don't wanna die...

they're hybrids.

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Originally posted by omgchos
Omg. look i dont care how much you want to believe they're hybrids. I'll i asked was for to you to find someone in the movie that even mentioned them. But i guess that was too much to ask. You can go ahead and believe they are hybrids. We are the only ones posting in this thread anyway. Violet wins and they aren't hybrids..... Peace.

Doesnt have to be "mentioned", not necessarily. If it is implied, or logic dictates it, then it is a given.

If we are watching X Men 4 and some guy is fighting Logan, and he displays powers that are not human, and it is never said who this guy is or whether he is a mutant or not, then he is obviously not human.

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Originally posted by WO Polaski
they're hybrids.

He knows.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Doesnt have to be "mentioned", not necessarily. If it is implied, or logic dictates it, then it is a given.
If we are watching X Men 4 and some guy is fighting Logan, and he displays powers that are not human, and it is never said who this guy is or whether he is a mutant or not, then he is obviously not human.

Exactly..... he's a mutant, not some super hybrid. In x-men origins, there are humans and mutants, nothing else. In ultra-violet there are humans and vampires nothing else. Since violet said specifically that they weren't vampires, they must be human. If we were meant to infer that they are hybrids, there would have been facts to back it up. They would have been mentioned more in the movie, or alluded to in other instances. Otherwise them being hybrids has no baring on the rest of the plot. You don't imply that someone is a hybrid that vampires are afraid of, then kill them off in 10 minutes. Its like your putting words into the screenwriter's mouth. Your putting way too much thought into some gangsters that got pwned. If they had maybe shown up later or been mentioned more, than you may have been right. But she dispatched them to easily for them to have been anymore than humans. I mean its like you think that everything had to make perfect sense. It was a good movie but it may have had plotholes. Maybe the director just wanted an exclusive violet fight scene but needed nerva and his cronies for a later plot element. So he thought up an excuse for the vamps not to go upstairs in pursuit of violet. It's not like this is based on a true story. I mean you keep touting the same facts to back up a useless thought process. I don't know why you want them to be hybrids so bad. They weren't, no matter how much you want them to have been. Just let it go.

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So the Blood Chinois were a buncha idiots then? Silly humans. One has to wonder how tey attained their level of power.

Oh yeah, and why Nerva respected them.

Yeah.....

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So the Blood Chinois were a buncha idiots then? Silly humans. One has to wonder how tey attained their level of power.
Oh yeah, and why Nerva respected them.
Yeah.....

Thats exactly my point. You have to wonder why. U dont have to make stuff up about fictional hybrids. The movie isn't infallible, it can have plot holes. Like i said just because their character doesn't seem to make sense, doesn't mean they are hybrids. U r just reading too much into it. There are a lot of movies out there with plottholes that make you ask afterward "why didn't so-and-so do something, if blah blah blah?" This movie is no exception. If we spent our lives looking at every movie that had a part of the storyline that didn't make sense and added things at our leisure to explain them away. We would be wasting our time. You can't assume something about a movie that isn't backed up with anything except a name that could mean anything, and a vampire who was gonna pay them off to capture/kill violet. I mean they died sooooo easily. U just can't accept it. U want them to be pwnage, but either way they obviously weren't. You want them to be hybrids, but either way it makes no difference, except that some hybrids got added just to be dispatched and never mentioned again. How about you read the Graphic Novel and see if they are hybrids, or if it even went the same way in the book. If they say they are hybrids in the book then they were meant to be in the movie. If they are explained more thoroughly in the book it can give us an insight into the director's intentions. But if all you keep mentioning is a plothole in the movie as your proof than how do you expect to win this argument. Like i said with just a tidbit of proof i will admit full heartedly that you are absolutely correct. But until then the facts do not support your theory. And suffer no delusions it is still a theory.

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Hmm......Nicely worded. Very well put together. Not an answer.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hmm......Nicely worded. Very well put together. Not an answer.

Ur the one that needs to answer. I'm asking you to prove me wrong. But i guess it's too much to ask.

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Nerva obviously feared/respected/whatever the Chinois, there has to be a reason. He would not fear/respect/whatever them if they were mere humans.

Their name, BLOOD Chinois.

Why BLOOD Chinois?

omgchos The Man From Ireland

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nerva obviously feared/respected/whatever the Chinois, there has to be a reason. He would not fear/respect/whatever them if they were mere humans.
Their name, BLOOD Chinois.
Why BLOOD Chinois?

U like to repeat yourself don't you. I keep telling you that a name is just a name. Blood is very general, it could mean they are very violent, the name is not proof. And like i said Nerva is a character in a movie. If they told him that he had to wear a tou-tou the whole movie he would have. It's just a plothole not proof of hybrids. There are no hybrids in this story line. She never says they aren't human. She does say they aren't vampire. I don't see how you can still think that they are hybrids.

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But you gotta admit they dressed really cool.

omgchos The Man From Ireland

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Brass monkey!!!