The Gorgon vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Starscream M
so Zoom couldn't move backwards because? I mean he has the speed to run the globe across a few times before the rocks even fall to the ground yet his only option was to shift back and forth with a few feet distance? if you don't see that as PIS, then there's really no point in continuing the debate.

Maybe he was on his way to moving around the globe?

Besides, must every speedster move around the globe just to move out of the way of a rock?

He had no reason to move any farther. He and Wonder Woman had simply been talking before she kicked rocks at him. Why would he run around the globe?

C'mon, Brucey.

Your defense is just getting weaker and weaker.

The fact is, Zoom could have moved backwards. He had no more reason to move backwards rather than sideways, however.

Plus, her lasso could have reached him if he was farther back anyways.

"It's PIS because he dodged left instead of right!"

The point is that she outfoxed him, not that he moved one direction instead of another. That part is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
It's simply a question of logic.

Wonder Woman is shown to be logically capable of these feats.

True but comic is full of illogical things. Yes it sounds better saying Wonder Woman is capable of those feats. But like I said earlier Spider-Man , Wov etc have many similar feats maybe not as good but it's there.

Clearly WW is much faster than those characters but putting labels such as she has "Light-speed" reaction for feats done by character who can't to those things is not the best way to go.

Concrete evidence of movement would fare better here. Like she moved at "said" speed. Rather than the object moves at X speed so she much be Y speed type of argument for what level of speed she has.

Cap and Spider-Man are shown to be incapable of anything close to this except for when their comics need teh uber feats. Cap dodging lasers in zero gravity is a lolz feat that's referenced over and over again as the ridiculous logic of comics.

They might not have those high end WW speed feat but they do have speed which are similar: Like hitting speeders , dodging bullets , reflecting etc.

Labeling PIS to all those is wrong especially if it happens often. Which was the point of my post.

Either way, Gorgon hasn't demonstrated anything close to lightspeed reactions.

Wasn't really arguing for Gorgon. Just against the use of selective feat for character and label everything PIS for lesser characters.

But ya WW has enough feat to classify her near Superman level speed wise.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it's not like she's tying knots

she's throwing a loop over someone...that's comparable to punching someone

Seriously, this has to be the best post EVA!!

Originally posted by Original Smurph

The point is that she outfoxed him, not that he moved one direction instead of another.

and that's exactly what it was...a tactical feat for WW, not a speed feat. She apparently calculated that kicking rocks would result in Zoom moving in only a few possible positions (lulz at how stupid that is) and planned her lasso toss perfectly to entrap him. This is a feat of WW's tactical capabilities...and a butchering of Zoom's speed abilities, but it is NOT an feat of speed on WW's part.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Fair enough.

I just don't think citing examples of infinitely slower guys like Cap dodging lasers (I swear they only do that in old comics?) is a valid enough reason to discredit UBER beings such as WW etc doing it.

Also the Batman,Slade etc showings have context or rank PIS behind them anyway. In anycase surely those are low showings.ermm

Why discredit when they do it?

Here's the thing, Wonder Woman has fights with guys like Grundy, Mantis, Aquaman, Mongul... etc etc.. a lot of bruisers who typically manage to hit her.

She has impressive speed feats on the random.

Does that mean she can't be touched by the aforementioned?

Her speed feats are as much an outliner as they are for guys like Cap.

They happen, they happen often, but they don't discredit in-fight examples.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
does anyone have the pictures of the feat in question?

from what i'm "hearing", wonder woman created a path for zoom that lead to her awaiting punch, while blind folded. to me that equates to a plan that requires perfect timing and placement of obstacles rather then speed since she was without the use of her eyes for that. without eyes, there goes perception of distance ans all other ques in that realm. something that batman does all the time...since the 60's.

so imo it's more of a strategy feat than sheer speed. (until the scan shows up)

The feat is that she could think fast enough to do that, not that she could move fast enough. She is up against Zoom, after all.

But apparently Gorgon is going to read her every thought and shank her with an adamantium blade before she can react.

The feat's a page or two back.

Originally posted by kgkg
Wasn't really arguing for Gorgon. Just against the use of selective feat for character and label everything PIS for lesser characters.

But ya WW has enough feat to classify her near Superman level speed wise.

Fair nuff.

Originally posted by Original Smurph

But apparently Gorgon is going to read her every thought and shank her with an adamantium blade before she can react.

I never said that. And if gorgon didn't have his stone glare ability, WW would treat him like a toy, she could deflect all of his blows while sipping an ice tea prob.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and that's exactly what it was...a tactical feat for WW, not a speed feat. She apparently calculated that kicking rocks would result in Zoom moving in only a few possible positions (lulz at how stupid that is) and planned her lasso toss perfectly to entrap him. This is a feat of WW's tactical capabilities...and a butchering of Zoom's speed abilities, but it is NOT an feat of speed on WW's part.

I was pointing out thinking speed. As I have been from the beginning. The fact that she can hear/feel his movement, know where he can move, and then react to it faster than he does, while she's blind.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I never said that.

Correct.

Jinzin did.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I was pointing out thinking speed. As I have been from the beginning. The fact that she can hear/feel his movement, know where he can move, and then react to it faster than he does, while she's blind.

umm you labeled it a blitzing feat initially...I wouldn't disagree with the outthinking description.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I never said that. And if gorgon didn't have his stone glare ability, WW would treat him like a toy, she could deflect all of his blows while sipping an ice tea prob.

but he does.

Originally posted by Starscream M
umm you labeled it a blitzing feat initially...I wouldn't disagree with the outthinking description.

Oh, FFS Brucey...

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Call it a blitz or something else, she still calculated all that and performed before [b]Zoom could react.

But wait... oh yeah, Gorgon's gonna read all that thought process in time.

Gorgon's out-thought some SHIELD soldiers. He thinks way faster than Zoom. Clearly. [/B]

I posted that in response to you ages ago.

Jebus Christ.

Originally posted by Original Smurph

I posted that in response to you ages ago.

Jebus Christ.

and I never said it wasn't an out-thinking feat

I just responded that they butchered zoom's abilities and really underwrote him

Originally posted by kgkg
But ya WW has enough feat to classify her near Superman level speed wise.

deflecting projectiles? Yes.
Other peoples punches, not so much.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and that's exactly what it was...a tactical feat for WW, not a speed feat. She apparently calculated that kicking rocks would result in Zoom moving in only a few possible positions (lulz at how stupid that is) and planned her lasso toss perfectly to entrap him. This is a feat of WW's tactical capabilities...and a butchering of Zoom's speed abilities, but it is NOT an feat of speed on WW's part.

QFT

Originally posted by Starscream M
and I never said it wasn't an out-thinking feat

I just responded that they butchered zoom's abilities and really underwrote him

No, but I repeated to you over and over that it was an impressive thinking speed feat.

You responded that it wasn't an impressive speed feat. I was forced to believe you meant thinking speed, since that's what I highlighted.

Then you pressed on obliviously in your patented Brucey fashion.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
The feat is that she could think fast enough to do that, not that she could move fast enough. She is up against Zoom, after all.

But apparently Gorgon is going to read her every thought and shank her with an adamantium blade before she can react.

The feat's a page or two back.

ok i saw it....

it was simply a distraction move that worked as it was intended to.
it "was" a blitz only since zum was preoccupied with avoiding the stones and not the lasso, which by the way can't be tossed through air too fast since the loop would cave in on itself.

imo, just chalk it up to wonder woman being smarter and a better combatant than he is, even though he had a clear speed advantage, he's clearly not very used to opponents outsmarting him.

wonder woman still beats gorgon though, that's an entirely different matter. she doesn't even need the speed advantage to do it.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
No, but I repeated to you over and over that it was an impressive thinking speed feat.

You responded that it wasn't an impressive speed feat. I was forced to believe you meant thinking speed, since that's what I highlighted.

Then you pressed on obliviously in your patented Brucey fashion.

I was trying to get you to admit to how PIS ithe feat was in how they portrayed Zoom...but to no avail.

Originally posted by Mekrob
She ties up Amazo with Flash's speed before Amazo with [b]Flash's speed can even move.
[/B]

holy batman!

captain cold grabs flash before flash can move and smashes his head...captain cold moves beyond light speed fo
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