Thanos W/IG vs. Darkseid w/ ALE

Started by Allankles10 pages

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

The Miracle Machine is not a motherbox. Darkseid's snide off-hand comment does nothing to prove it is based ont he overwhelming evidence above. And the Miracle Machine's feat > any feat of a motherbox's in Final Crisis. The original issue that started this whole mess of a debate. Nuff said.

A lot said, but hardly nuff. The symbol is in fact also metron's motherbox circuitry which is in fact grafted into his suit. It is referred to as a circuit pattern in the same FC you mentioned. Given by Miracle to the Tatoo'd man who later gives it to the heroes in the watch tower.

Point is the symbol has several meanings, but it is also the motherbox circuitry on Metron's suit. I know the template the controllers used, no one said it was an mb, merely that it was like one, a cargo-cult version.

This whole debate about DS's comments is asinine, why would you waste your time arguing against fictional terminologies? The statement was thrown in there by Morrison, you're basically arguing against the same authors descriptions. We don't know what makes an MB really, except they have connection to the Source and are sentient computers.

The words used are entirely meaningless in this case. Motherboxes have never had clearly defined functions and vary from creator to creator.

Originally posted by Allankles
A lot said, but hardly nuff. The symbol is in fact also metron's motherbox circuitry which is in fact grafted into his suit. It is referred to as a circuit pattern in the same FC you mentioned. Given by Miracle to the Tatoo'd man who later gives it to the heroes in the watch tower.
Black Lightning gave it to him and it was never revealed how he obtained it. Mr. Miracle never met Tatooed Man. facepalm
Originally posted by Allankles
... no one said it was an mb, merely that it was like one, a cargo-cult version....
Actually, this guy said it was a motherbox, maybe you should clarify the issue with him:
Originally posted by Allankles
Also the Miracle Machine is a motherbox with a single function.
Originally posted by Allankles
It was a type of motherbox (there are several types). It was designed by the controllers but it has a relation to Metron, even having the motherbox symbol at its front.
dur

You have no proof that Metron's suit pattern is his motherbox. I already posted scans of Metron holding his motherbox on the previous page. You have no support and you haven't addressed the on-panel contradictions of your assumptions. You're making mistakes as to the story's facts and you've been contradicting yourself. Scrutinizing the flow of your argumentation is like watching a horrible car crash in slow motion. Please stop.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Scrutinizing the flow of your argumentation is like watching a horrible car crash in slow motion. Please stop.

😂 Wow.

SPITE
ALE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IG

Are we using Current ALE? cuz ALE gets changed more than a baby’s diapers.

Anyway IG wins

ALE means Absolute control over sentient beings
How can u fight something when u have no will
true IG gives virtually infinite of a lot
but it does not give u infinite will
DARKSEID speaks Thanos falls

Originally posted by manx422
ALE means Absolute control over sentient beings
How can u fight something when u have no will
true IG gives virtually infinite of a lot
but it does not give u infinite will
DARKSEID speaks Thanos falls
Because having complete control over the mind and the soul would do nothing to help the individual.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Black Lightning gave it to him and it was never revealed how he obtained it. Mr. Miracle never met Tatooed Man. facepalmActually, this guy said it was a motherbox, maybe you should clarify the issue with him: dur

You have no proof that Metron's suit pattern is his motherbox. I already posted scans of Metron holding his motherbox on the previous page. You have no support and you haven't addressed the on-panel contradictions of your assumptions. You're making mistakes as to the story's facts and you've been contradicting yourself. Scrutinizing the flow of your argumentation is like watching a horrible car crash in slow motion. Please stop.

😂 🤣

Originally posted by manx422
ALE means Absolute control over sentient beings
How can u fight something when u have no will
true IG gives virtually infinite of a lot
but it does not give u infinite will
DARKSEID speaks Thanos falls
Thanos has the soul and the mind gem. The ale also doesn't work on those "wired differently." It's been downgraded. At least Morrison did something right.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Black Lightning gave it to him and it was never revealed how he obtained it. Mr. Miracle never met Tatooed Man. facepalmActually, this guy said it was a motherbox, maybe you should clarify the issue with him: dur

You have no proof that Metron's suit pattern is his motherbox. I already posted scans of Metron holding his motherbox on the previous page. You have no support and you haven't addressed the on-panel contradictions of your assumptions. You're making mistakes as to the story's facts and you've been contradicting yourself. Scrutinizing the flow of your argumentation is like watching a horrible car crash in slow motion. Please stop.

It was not a Mother Box in Metrons hand it was an average Rubik Cube. The suit Tatooed Man has on seems to have a small Mother Box (circuitry) in it. The suit was shown to do a few things like destroying a force field and was going to transport Ray back to Earth. New God tech is the most advanced in the DCU, stated many times. 😉

Originally posted by kevdude
It was not a Mother Box in Metrons hand it was an average Rubik Cube. The suit Tatooed Man has on seems to have a small Mother Box (circuitry) in it. The suit was shown to do a few things like destroying a force field and was going to transport Ray back to Earth. New God tech is the most advanced in the DCU, stated many times. 😉
It's easy to miss, but in the first scan, when Metron solves the Rubik's Cube, you see the distinctive "Ping" sound that all motherboxes make:

Again, it's speculation that the pattern Tatooed Man bore on his skin is motherbox circuitry. It appears that the symbol represents an aspect of the Life Equation as I argued on the previous page. Also, I have no idea what you're speaking of in terms of the pattern destroying force-fields or transporting Ray. I'll have to read it again, but IIRC, the Justifiers destroyed the force-field in the Hall of Justice in Final Crisis #4 and Ray's own power transports him around as a beam of light throughout Final Crisis.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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[b]3) Shilo Norman states, "It appears to be a letter from the alphabet of the New Gods, a living symbol that means 'freedom from restriction,' that protects against Anti-Life:

It makes no sense that this letter represents a motherbox. A motherbox might be able to protect against Anti-Life, but a motherbox itself does not mean 'freedom from restriction.' So what could this freedom from restriction be? Well isn't it obvious by now? It could be, and most logically is: the Life Equation. [/B]

I can't believe I didn't catch you out on this. The markings on Shilo's face (and the super young team) is not the circuit pattern on Metron's suit. This letter from the New God alpahabet isn't the same. The evidence was staring you in the face and you continued to give false info.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's easy to miss, but in the first scan, when Metron solves the Rubik's Cube, you see the distinctive "Ping" sound that all motherboxes make:

Again, it's speculation that the pattern Tatooed Man bore on his skin is motherbox circuitry. It appears that the symbol represents an aspect of the Life Equation as I argued on the previous page. Also, I have no idea what you're speaking of in terms of the pattern destroying force-fields or transporting Ray. I'll have to read it again, but IIRC, the Justifiers destroyed the force-field in the Hall of Justice in Final Crisis #4 and Ray's own power transports him around as a beam of light throughout Final Crisis.

This is probably the only info you've given that could disprove my earlier statement. But I hope you know the pattern on his suit is not the new god sign for "freedom from restriction"?

Further, don't restart your asinine debate over fictional terminologies.

Originally posted by Allankles
I can't believe I didn't catch you out on this. The markings on Shilo's face (and the super young team) is not the circuit pattern on Metron's suit. This letter from the New God alpahabet isn't the same. The evidence was staring you in the face and you continued to give false info.
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The pattern on the face is the only part of Metron's suit that resembles the Miracle Machine:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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The pattern on the face is the only part of Metron's suit that resembles the Miracle Machine:

Deliberately putting your foot in your mouth? 😉

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/MiracleMachine.PNG

http://jla.freewebpages.org/gallery/metron.jpg

The beam at the center, the bar across, the two round recistors on each end of the frame.
And of course the circle and the centre resistor.

EDIT: I already mentioned that it has several meanings. The sign matched against Miracles' suit and the Mirracle Machine look identical, as Miracle is the avatar of freedom and master of the life equation.

But the rest of it has no similarity to Miracle's suit instead it's metron's suit. As far as the motherboxx debate goes, I was basing it on supporting evidence. If I had hard proof (certain individual NG's motherboxes don't get mentioned in the comics), I wouldn't be arguing, now would I?

The evidence was taken from the fact that Metron's suit functioned like an MB, showing a certain degree of technopathy, having boomtube capabilities etc There has to be room for interpretation for arguments

Second link isn't working.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/MiracleMachine.PNG

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://jla.freewebpages.org/gallery/metron.jpg&imgrefurl=http://jla.freewebpages.org/gallery.htm&usg=__S3zGefm7GYYMX8lzbuKuWJY2c7A=&h=360&w=537&sz=236&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=n63fauaY1DpzZM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=132&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmetron%2Bdc%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1I7GGLL_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

The beam at the center, the bar across, the two round recistors on each end of the frame.
And of course the circle and the centre resistor.

Originally posted by Allankles
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Originally posted by Allankles
Deliberately putting your foot in your mouth? 😉

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/MiracleMachine.PNG

http://jla.freewebpages.org/gallery/metron.jpg

The beam at the center, the bar across, the two circles on each end of the frame.
And of course the circle and the centre resistor.

Oh, I see that now. The bottom half of the Miracle Machine is similar to the Metron's pattern that resides on the body portion of his suit:

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