Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're not answering the question, is the symbol a representation of a motherbox or something else?
It's metron's motherbox circuitry and it also symbolized the god-weapon (the miracle machine) which Anthro was shown by Metron. Foreshadowing upon foreshadowing, its the way Morrison writes.
Originally posted by Allankles^ http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/DC_Database😖taff
Its a big encyclopedia, I believe the guy who made it also did the marvel database, I don't know if he's just a fan or a company insider.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Marvel_Database😖taff
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jamie
He's a fan.
Originally posted by AllanklesYou avoid the question again. What does the symbol represent? A motherbox or something else?
It's metron's motherbox circuitry and it also symbolized the god-weapon (the miracle machine) which Anthro was shown by Metron. Foreshadowing upon foreshadowing, its the way Morrison writes.
Found it in FC Directors Cut. It is Metrons circuitry pattern. Seems like it was the Controllers who took the weapon away from Anthro.. Look back in FC 1 and we see someone probably a Controller talking to Anthro saying "Metron gave you a Weapon against the Gods" "We need it Now". From all that Allanklens is right.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He's a fan.You avoid the question again. What does the symbol represent? A motherbox or something else?
I already told you. Anthro is given the symbol of the weapon against the gods by Metron (which also happens to be the symbol of the motherbox circuitry on his suit). Kamandi asks Anthro for the weapon against the gods which Metron gave him. The same circuitry that protects people from anti-life.
So it is at once the pattern of the motherbox circuitry and resembles the front of the miracle machine which had never been shown before FC.
Originally posted by kevdude
Found it in FC Directors Cut. It is Metrons circuitry pattern. Seems like it was the Controllers who took the weapon away from Anthro.. Look back in FC 1 and we see someone probably a Controller talking to Anthro saying "Metron gave you a Weapon against the Gods" "We need it Now". From all that Allanklens is right.
I've got to disagree with you on this one, the guy asking is Kamandi, a human from the far future.
Originally posted by AllanklesYou're getting warmer with that underlined part. But you won't come right out and say it. So you are still avoiding the question. What does the symbol represent? I don't care what is patterned after it and I don't care what resembles it. What does the symbol actually represent?
I already told you. Anthro is given the symbol of the weapon against the gods by Metron (which also happens to be the symbol of the motherbox circuitry on his suit). Kamandi asks Anthro for the weapon against the gods which Metron gave him. The same circuitry that protects people from anti-life.So it is at once the pattern of the motherbox circuitry and resembles the front of the miracle machine which had never been shown before FC.
Originally posted by Allankles
I've got to disagree with you on this one, the guy asking is Kamandi, a human from the far future.
Anthro was the first boy on Earth, Kamandi was the last boy on Earth. Anthro drew the pattern we can see Kamandi who is blond. Metron gave them the weapon then fire (like Superman needing the X-Element aka the fire of the gods in Metrons chair) to end the first war, Vandel tries to take control and is stopped, it is the first war on the first pages with the rest of FC being that last war. The pattern was stolen by a renegade Controller who then built the Miracle Machine.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Considering Allankles' desperate dodging, I'll leave you two to figure this out amongst yourselves and come back later. facepalm
I've already told you. It's a foreshadowing of the god-weapon (the miracle machine) and happens to share the same design pattern as Metron's motherbox circuitry.
The same circuitry pattern that protects people from Anti-life on a machine that happens to be able to calculate the life equation: coincidence? nope.
There's an obvious connection, so I'm surprised you jumped all over DS' cargo-cult motherboxx description. It seems to already have a connection to those devices and the life equation, and the x-element which powers mb's as well.
Originally posted by AllanklesStill dodging, so I'll spell it out for you. The symbol is not a representation of a motherbox. There have been motherboxes depicted on-panel in Final Crisis that do not share the distinctive pattern that Metron's suit shows:
I've already told you. It's a foreshadowing of the god-weapon (the miracle machine) and happens to share the same design pattern as Metron's motherbox circuitry.
Not only that, but I have yet to confirm that Metron's motherbox is woven into his suit's pattern. I know Shilo Norman's motherboxxx was woven into the shoulder of his suit for most of Seven Soldiers: Mr. Miracle, but what is your source that Metron's was? Because later on in Final Crisis, we actually do see Metron's motherbox and yet he still retains his suit pattern:
From the above, it should be clear that the pattern does not represent a motherbox. There is no motherbox we've seen that actually has that pattern on it. Your assertion that Metron's suit pattern is a motherbox is unsupported speculation at this point that is contradicted by the emergence of Metron's motherbox in Final Crisis #5. Even if you could prove Metron's old motherbox used to be his suit's circuitry pattern, it is still not dispositive of the pattern representing something else. So what does the pattern represent?
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Originally posted by AllanklesYou're exactly right to point out the striking coincidence that the pattern itself protects against Anti-Life and a machine that resembles the pattern calculates the Life Equation directly. These two things should have led you to conclude that the pattern actually represents the Life Equation, not a motherbox! Think about it, Metron and Kamandi and Shilo Norman all state in one way or another, that the pattern itself is a representation of power, i.e. knowledge, a weapon against the Gods, letter from the New Gods:
The same circuitry pattern that protects people from Anti-life on a machine that happens to be able to calculate the life equation: coincidence? nope.
1) Metron states that it is "knowledge," which manifests itself as fire, or the flame of humanity:
It makes no sense that fire, or the flame of humanity, is a manifestation of a motherbox. It makes more sense that fire, or the flame of humanity, is a manifestation of the Life Equation.
2) Kamandi shouts that Metron actually gave Anthro a "weapon against the Gods." And on Anthro's face, we see the same pattern:
Metron obviously did not give Anthro a motherbox. It makes no sense that Kamandi is referring to a motherbox. But he may have bestowed upon him, the Life Equation. Think about this also: Grant Morrison characterized the Anti-Life Equation as a weapon/artifact from the higher vibratory plane of the New Gods in Final Crisis: Secret Files. So the Life Equation's characterization as a weapon here makes sense with Morrison's conceptualization of the ALE as a weapon; so is the LE.
3) Shilo Norman states, "It appears to be a letter from the alphabet of the New Gods, a living symbol that means 'freedom from restriction,' that protects against Anti-Life:
It makes no sense that this letter represents a motherbox. A motherbox might be able to protect against Anti-Life, but a motherbox itself does not mean 'freedom from restriction.' So what could this freedom from restriction be? Well isn't it obvious by now? It could be, and most logically is: the Life Equation. And simply drawing a letter that represents the Life Equation protects against Anti-Life.
Originally posted by AllanklesThe obvious connection was staring you int eh face and you missed it because you wanted to support a faulty interpretation that the Miracle Machine was a motherbox. It isn't. And Element X is a necessary part of the Miracle Machine. That doesn't necessarily suggest that it is a motherbox. Because on-panel, John Stewart's GL ring was also necessary for the Miracle Machine:
There's an obvious connection, so I'm surprised you jumped all over DS' cargo-cult motherboxx description. It seems to already have a connection to those devices and the life equation, and the x-element which powers mb's as well.
And the necessity for John Stewart's GL ring perfectly supports that the Miracle Machine is Controller-refined Oan technology as stated by Braniac-5 in Final Crisis #6:
The Miracle Machine is not a motherbox. Darkseid's snide off-hand comment does nothing to prove it is based ont he overwhelming evidence above. And the Miracle Machine's feat > any feat of a motherbox's in Final Crisis. The original issue that started this whole mess of a debate. Nuff said.
