Originally posted by Scribble
I personally put both on the same par, but I also just generally believe that uplifting the poor would make for a better and more economically stable country, so the whole 'education and opportunities' thing is something I'm big on across the board.
I disagree. I think the internal violence and thug culture is a much larger problem. I don't believe throwing money at the poor will fix things. Instilling a culture that values education and gaining your own prosperity on a large scale would be far more effective imo. You know that old fishing analogy
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i love how police departments are actually like "we will stop and search people for being young and black.", but you're like "LALALALALA"
And that's wrong, and you show me specific instances of that happening so we can fight it together. I can't fight vague assertions with you though.
Originally posted by socool8520Not 'throwing money', I mean implementing more specific ways of uplifting the lower classes, education being the primary part of that.
I disagree. I think the internal violence and thug culture is a much larger problem. I don't believe throwing money at the poor will fix things. Instilling a culture that values education and gaining your own prosperity on a large scale would be far more effective imo. You know that old fishing analogy
Originally posted by Scribble
socool, I don't suppose you mind asking what your general ethnic background is? In a discussion such as this it'd be interesting to know, since it'd give a perspective that isn't just 'another white guy'. No worries if not though.
Not at all. I'm not easily offended. I'm 75% Hispanic (half-Mexican, a quarter Puerto-Rican). The other 25% is a mixed bag but mostly Scottish I believe. I also don't think your ethnicity should really factor into this discussion. It's not like white people can't be poor. lol
Originally posted by Scribble
Not 'throwing money', I mean implementing more specific ways of uplifting the lower classes, education being the primary part of that.
Oh. Then I agree, but I still think you have to get the culture to buy into by and large. You can institute programs all you want but the culture has to accept it.
Originally posted by socool8520Cheers, man, was just interested. Is the Scottish American-descent Scottish or more recently-emigrated Scottish? I have a lot of Scottish family myself.
Not at all. I'm not easily offended. I'm 75% Hispanic (half-Mexican, a quarter Puerto-Rican). The other 25% is a mixed bag but mostly Scottish I believe. I also don't think your ethnicity should really factor into this discussion. It's not like white people can't be poor. lol
Also yeah I just realised that makes sense given your stance. I just thought it'd be interesting to Bash and others that your perspective is not just another 'white privilege' perspective, hah.
Originally posted by Scribble
Cheers, man, was just interested. Is the Scottish American-descent Scottish or more recently-emigrated Scottish? I have a lot of Scottish family myself.
Scottish American I believe. My Grandfather's family (the Lockharts) have been in Texas for a long time as far as I know.
I feel like my perspective has been shaped a lot because I've seen poverty in all races. I've lived in hoods, trailer parks, barrios, etc. They all get shit on equally from my experience. Money is the only advantage I've ever seen
Originally posted by socool8520Yeah, that's true. I don't know how you'd get them to do that, though. That's why I focus on what 'we' can do, and then if that doesn't work, then it's kind of a "well... fair enough" situation.
Oh. Then I agree, but I still think you have to get the culture to buy into by and large. You can institute programs all you want but the culture has to accept it.
Originally posted by Scribble
Also yeah I just realised that makes sense given your stance. I just thought it'd be interesting to Bash and others that your perspective is not just another 'white privilege' perspective, hah.
Honestly, I think Bash is just Bash. He like the left side's Fly with slightly better points. I usually let him do his thing. lol He doesn't bother me.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/opinion/policing-the-police-on-stop-and-frisk.html
Three years have passed since a Federal District Court ruled that New York City’s stop-and-frisk program violated constitutional prohibitions against unreasonable search and seizure and discriminated against minority citizens, who were disproportionately and unjustifiably singled out for stops. A court-ordered reform process — overseen by an independent monitor — is off to a promising start. But some of the thorniest and most contentious issues lie ahead.
sure the police were so comfortable with racial profiling that they made an official program out of it, but you go on believing that this means nothing and dark-skinned people have not disproportionally had their basic rights violated. tell more stories about things you saw.
Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, that's true. I don't know how you'd get them to do that, though. That's why I focus on what 'we' can do, and then if that doesn't work, then it's kind of a "well... fair enough" situation.
My thing is, if I am going to go through the effort of helping you, I want to make sure you want to be helped. I want you to want to succeed. I have gained nothing, and in the long run neither have they, if I implement something with no buy in.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/opinion/policing-the-police-on-stop-and-frisk.htmlsure the police were so comfortable with racial profiling that they made an official program out of it, but you go on believing that this means nothing and dark-skinned people have not disproportionally had their basic rights violated. tell more stories about things you saw.
But nobody said it means nothing. I said the reason you have all these people in jail isn't merely racism.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/opinion/policing-the-police-on-stop-and-frisk.htmlsure the police were so comfortable with racial profiling that they made an official program out of it, but you go on believing that this means nothing and dark-skinned people have not disproportionally had their basic rights violated. tell more stories about things you saw.
So they stopped it. What's the problem Bash?
It also said this was in heavily policed neighborhoods Bash. Where do you think that was? Probably the lower income neighborhoods correct? That doesn't dispute my point at all. The poor get the most attention because that's where most of the crime is.
I'm not going to tell you there aren't racist cops out there bash, but I'm also not going to scream racism when there are factors that explain a lot of the dis-proportionality.
Originally posted by socool8520I'm a pretty firm believer that class is the most important thing too. It's VERY noticeable in the UK, as the lower-class neighbourhoods are very diverse, a huge mix of white British, Irish, black British, recent African immigrants, Indians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Somalians, etc. And they're all as pushed-down as each other, as it is their class and lack of access to quality education and general left-behind-ness (our government gives 0 ****s about anyone who isn't a home owner) that stops them gaining a better life.
Scottish American I believe. My Grandfather's family (the Lockharts) have been in Texas for a long time as far as I know.I feel like my perspective has been shaped a lot because I've seen poverty in all races. I've lived in hoods, trailer parks, barrios, etc. They all get shit on equally from my experience. Money is the only advantage I've ever seen