The General Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^ was never frisked by police because of his skin color, and arrested for the weed he smokes every day.
also he's totally cool with ignoring the fact that prisons are full of black people who's lives were destroyed over a bag of weed.
sleeps contently every night knowing he's right and white privilege doesnt exist.

I've seen white people frisked in poor neighborhoods. That tends to happen in high crime areas regardless of race. I've also seen them arrested for drugs.

Originally posted by Surtur
In the past, sure. The present? Not so much here IMO. Ben articulates it better than I could:

YouTube video

All I'm saying is that people hold a tendency to relate more to people similar to them, and since most employers are white males, that gives white males and white people in general an advantage. I can admit even myself that between two equally-qualified plucky young guys, one white and one black, I'd probably choose the white guy because I'd just naturally be like "Aw, he reminds me of me at his age. I want to give him the chance so he can succeed like me."

Positive discrimination and all. It's not that I'd be being racist towards black people, it's just that I'd be working from my own personal experience and choosing based on that.

Originally posted by socool8520
I've seen white people frisked in poor neighborhoods. That tends to happen in high crime areas regardless of race. I've also seen them arrested for drugs.

wow your little story sure proved statistics wrong.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/mass-incarceration/smart-justice/war-marijuana-black-and-white

Originally posted by Scribble
I don't watch propaganda, as a rule. (That goes for leftist propaganda too.)

All I'm saying is that people hold a tendency to relate more to people similar to them, and since most employers are white males, that gives white males and white people in general an advantage. I can admit even myself that between two equally-qualified plucky young guys, one white and one black, I'd probably choose the white guy because I'd just naturally be like "Aw, he reminds me of me at his age. I want to give him the chance so he can succeed like me."

Positive discrimination and all. It's not that I'd be being racist towards black people, it's just that I'd be working from my own personal experience and choosing based on that.

I guess this confuses me. Where did you learn about white privilege? That wasn't propaganda?

And I gave you a video with an opinion on why this isn't a thing anymore. If you don't want to watch it fine, but then can you truly still insist this is a thing in the US?

Originally posted by socool8520
The situation is recognized. People live in poverty, no one disputes that. It doesn't give you the right to resort to crime and violence. The problem seems to be that the particular group of people in question are blaming others for their issues. Like magically giving the poor money will turn them into good people.

I want their communities to realize they can help themselves by changing the culture from within. If you already distrust outside entities because you blame them, how are they supposed to help you?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^ was never frisked by police because of his skin color, and arrested/jailed for the weed he smokes every day.
also he's totally cool with ignoring the fact that prisons are full of black people who's lives were destroyed over a bag of weed.
sleeps contently every night knowing he's right and white privilege doesnt exist.

I never said I was cool with ignoring those facts. I said that those facts do not point to racism, which is what some SJWs try to push.

It is because higher crime areas have a higher police presence. It is not because they are out and they get a call "some kid has weed!" and they get there and they go "damn, he's white, we gotta cut him loose".

Originally posted by Surtur
I guess this confuses me. Where did you learn about white privilege? That wasn't propaganda?

And I gave you a video with an opinion on why this isn't a thing anymore. If you don't want to watch it fine, but then can you truly still insist this is a thing in the US?

I think it's a thing everywhere, all over the world, not just in the US. Why are you guys such a special example that it doesn't happen there?

Originally posted by Scribble
I do agree in many ways, I think we're essentially arguing the same thing but from two different perspectives. I agree that the communities need to face changes themselves, but that outside influence can't be ignored, whilst I feel like you're saying that you agree that there are outside influences, but that the fact that the communities need to face changes themselves can't be ignored. Am I right there?

The outside influence can't be ignored, but the thing is...influences within are ignored more than influences outside. In fact, there are still some who call facts racist. I do not mean people who say "you are twisting this fact because you are a racist". No, merely *reporting* this can get you called racist. And if you're black and you do it you're called an Uncle Tom or a coon.

Originally posted by Scribble
I'm not talking about an overall 'white privilege' thing, I'm talking about the general idea of tribal mentality, something I firmly believe in happening in all cultures. I also developed my own opinion based on more overall social and psychological stances and never actively imbibed in any form of propaganda (haven't seen any YouTube videos on white privilege being real, either). I put my I believe it'd be a thing in my last post and I think it covers it nicely. I'm just saying that being white myself, I believe that subconsciously I would probably choose a white person over a black person just due to personal relatability and the like.

I think it's a thing everywhere, all over the world, not just in the US. Why are you guys such a special example that it doesn't happen there?

But...you have to understand what you are describing is not necessarily what most mean when they say "white privilege" here.

Originally posted by Surtur
Ah yes the white privilege myth now. goodie!

Next can we discuss the gender wage gap?

^

The reason Surtur believes this is because he's not accomplished anything in life and has white skin, therefore it's a myth. #logic

Originally posted by Surtur
The outside influence can't be ignored, but the thing is...influences within are ignored more than influences outside. In fact, there are still some who call facts racist. I do not mean people who say "you are twisting this fact because you are a racist". No, merely *reporting* this can get you called racist. And if you're black and you do it you're called an Uncle Tom or a coon.

Originally posted by Robtard
^

The reason Surtur believes this is because he's not accomplished anything in life and has white skin, therefore it's a myth. #logic

Thanks for informing others why I believe what I believe.

Originally posted by Scribble
I know, and I understand that. Examples of BLM chanting "What do we want? More dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" are brushed over and ignored, etc. I know the situation for the most part, and my opinion is that both sides are doing a shite job of solving it.

Lol and you just made a good point. Some in this country would label you racist for even pointing that out.

Colin K wears pig socks, supports fidel castro: GQ man of the year, lol.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
wow your little story sure proved statistics wrong.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/mass-incarceration/smart-justice/war-marijuana-black-and-white

Like I said, in poor neighborhoods, everyone's a target. Considering minorities are in higher crime rate areas where Cops focus their attention, it stands to reason they're more likely to be caught. You run with your racist thing though.

http://blackyouthproject.com/blacks-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-dealing-drugs-than-whites-who-do-drugs-more-often/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/06/28/the-war-on-drugs-is-a-war-on-minorities-and-the-poor/#7e74d275624c

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/04/marijuana_possession_laws_aclu_report_why_blacks_are_four_times_more_likely.html

Originally posted by Surtur
But...you have to understand what you are describing is not necessarily what most mean when they say "white privilege" here.

Originally posted by Scribble
I do agree in many ways, I think we're essentially arguing the same thing but from two different perspectives. I agree that the communities need to face changes themselves, but that outside influence can't be ignored, whilst I feel like you're saying that you agree that there are outside influences, but that the fact that the communities need to face changes themselves can't be ignored. Am I right there?

yes, but I believe inside factors are a much bigger problem and should be the priority.

Originally posted by socool8520
Like I said, in poor neighborhoods, everyone's a target. Considering minorities are in higher crime rate areas where Cops focus their attention, it stands to reason they're more likely to be caught. You run with your racist thing though.

http://blackyouthproject.com/blacks-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-dealing-drugs-than-whites-who-do-drugs-more-often/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/06/28/the-war-on-drugs-is-a-war-on-minorities-and-the-poor/#7e74d275624c

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/04/marijuana_possession_laws_aclu_report_why_blacks_are_four_times_more_likely.html

Indeed and here is the thing, they wanna focus on weed lol. But...in the poor white neighborhoods, it's not even that they don't get arrested for drugs, it just tends to not be for that drug.

If racism factored into drug arrests we wouldn't see so many whites arrested for meth.

Originally posted by socool8520
Like I said, in poor neighborhoods, everyone's a target. Considering minorities are in higher crime rate areas where Cops focus their attention, it stands to reason they're more likely to be caught. You run with your racist thing though.

http://blackyouthproject.com/blacks-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-dealing-drugs-than-whites-who-do-drugs-more-often/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/06/28/the-war-on-drugs-is-a-war-on-minorities-and-the-poor/#7e74d275624c

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/04/marijuana_possession_laws_aclu_report_why_blacks_are_four_times_more_likely.html

mmmhmmm lets just pretend that shit like this never happens, even though it has actually been implemented into police policy.
you have fun with that. https://www.nyclu.org/en/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices

Originally posted by socool8520
yes, but I believe inside factors are a much bigger problem and should be the priority.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
mmmhmmm lets just pretend that shit like this never happens, even though it has actually been implemented into police policy.
you have fun with that. https://www.nyclu.org/en/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices

Nobody is pretending anything. lol I'm just not gonna scream racism when there are other factors at play that you won't even acknowledge.