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Jmanghan Senior Member

Originally posted by Surtur
There is a reason fewer and fewer women are willing to identify as feminists. Spoiler alert: it's not because they don't believe in equality.

Gonna cut in on this conversation real quick, I feel like I kinda have to, cause yeah.

The point behind feminism is that there should be equal pay when you have the exact same job, when someone makes more money for no reason, even if the woman was incredibly upstanding and did more for whatever company, the dude still gets paid more.

Like, the dude could be lazy as hell, but at the end of the day, he's still getting paid more then her, in the same job, with the same company.

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Originally posted by Scribble
Are you implying that Amy Adams and Jennifer Lawrence spent less hours working and took more holidays whilst filming American Hustle than Jeremy Renner did? Because otherwise your statement don't make-a no sense-a

Lol uh I'm talking on average.

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Originally posted by Surtur
It doesn't exist in the way morons marching think it does. The 77 cents bullshit.
They whine over it with the implication it's sexism causing it, as opposed to life choices.

Yeah, but it still exists in different forms. Yes there's the whole hours worked / holidays thing and that is something a lot of people ignore, but you're ignoring the parts that do exist, which makes you as bad as them.

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Originally posted by Jmanghan
Gonna cut in on this conversation real quick, I feel like I kinda have to, cause yeah.
The point behind feminism is that there should be equal pay when you have the exact same job, when someone makes more money for no reason, even if the woman was incredibly upstanding and did more for whatever company, the dude still gets paid more.
Like, the dude could be lazy as hell, but at the end of the day, he's still getting paid more then her, in the same job, with the same company.

Bullshit, if they want equality stop referring to it as a name that highlights the female aspect. It's not difficult.

The instances of people making more money literally because of their dick are rare.

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Originally posted by Surtur
Lol uh I'm talking on average.

So you're not denying that the 'sexist' side to the wage gap does exist in some form, and that its existence is a bad thing and should be fought against?

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Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, but it still exists in different forms. Yes there's the whole hours worked / holidays thing and that is something a lot of people ignore, but you're ignoring the parts that do exist, which makes you as bad as them.

Lol no, because whenever some feminist runs her mouth about this the implication is that sexism is causing it.

It's false, period.

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Originally posted by Scribble
So you're not denying that the 'sexist' side to the wage gap does exist in some form, and that its existence is a bad thing and should be fought against?

I don't deny Hollywood is very sexist, yes.

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And also that you're not denying that institutional sexism resulted in the female co-stars of the movie getting paid less, despite them being bigger name draws than some of their male co-stars?

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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
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Never said anything like that. Try again.

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Originally posted by Surtur
I don't deny Hollywood is very sexist, yes.

Well good, this is some form of progress. Is it really that unlikely that other institutions are sexist too?

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Originally posted by Scribble
And also that you're not denying that institutional sexism resulted in the female co-stars of the movie getting paid less, despite them being bigger name draws than some of their male co-stars?

Not denying the sexism in Hollywood causes this wage gap in Hollywood.

Jmanghan Senior Member

Originally posted by Surtur
Bullshit, if they want equality stop referring to it as a name that highlights the female aspect. It's not difficult.
The instances of people making more money literally because of their dick are rare.

It's not bullshit dude, it's common knowledge and it's a legitimately average occurence.

Like, let's say something like... EVEN McDonalds for example, I've seen dudes get paid upwards of $1 more even when they're sitting around, I know this because my friend (who sits down at a table and talks to us while on the job he had at the time), told us how much he made, and told us how much the girls (and guys) get paid. Both got paid "minimum wage", but one got paid less.

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Originally posted by Surtur
Lol no, because whenever some feminist runs her mouth about this the implication is that sexism is causing it.
It's false, period.

It should be eliminated regardless of what people say about it, Surt. I think the fact that it does exist is still worse than people exaggerating the extent that it does exist.

"This thing does happen, but not in the precise way you're saying it does, so I'm going to focus on your words rather than the wrongdoings of society"

Like what

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Originally posted by Scribble
Well good, this is some form of progress. Is it really that unlikely that other institutions are sexist too?

Thing is, they aren't whining this is "likely" happening. They act like it's fact.

Just like when they cite the misleading 1 and 5 stat about sexual assault.

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Originally posted by Jmanghan
It's not bullshit dude, it's common knowledge and it's a legitimately average occurence.
Like, let's say something like... EVEN McDonalds for example, I've seen dudes get paid upwards of $1 more even when they're sitting around, I know this because my friend (who sits down at a table and talks to us while on the job he had at the time), told us how much he made, and told us how much the girls (and guys) get paid. Both got paid "minimum wage", but one got paid less.

Show me McDonalds doing that so we can fight them together.

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Originally posted by Scribble
It should be eliminated regardless of what people say about it, Surt. I think the fact that it does exist is still worse than people exaggerating the extent that it does exist.
"This thing does happen, but not in the precise way you're saying it does, so I'm going to focus on your words rather than the wrongdoings of society"
Like what

I never said don't strive to bridge the gap. Just don't whine and blame sexism. Why is that so difficult?

You don't need to whine about patriarchy and that to make it an issue. Like what?

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Originally posted by Jmanghan
It's not bullshit dude, it's common knowledge and it's a legitimately average occurence.
Like, let's say something like... EVEN McDonalds for example, I've seen dudes get paid upwards of $1 more even when they're sitting around, I know this because my friend (who sits down at a table and talks to us while on the job he had at the time), told us how much he made, and told us how much the girls (and guys) get paid. Both got paid "minimum wage", but one got paid less.

I'd be somewhat wary of that source. idk about in America, but in the UK jobs like that have a flat rate of pay regardless of gender or anything else.

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Originally posted by Surtur
Thing is, they aren't whining this is "likely" happening. They act like it's fact.
Just like when they cite the misleading 1 and 5 stat about sexual assault.

So educate instead of attacking. Approach it in a sensible and rational manner, instead of throwing insults around. You won't change anyone's mind by calling them an idiot

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It's like rape. Rape STILL happens here. You do not need to lie like little weasels and pretend we live in a rape culture in order to discuss rape. But they do it anyways.