Originally posted by LordofBrooklynHeywood Allen is an American filmmaker, writer, actor, comedian, and musician whose career spans more than six decades. He began his career as a comedy writer in the 1950s, writing jokes and scripts for television and publishing several books of short humor pieces. In the early 1960s, Allen began performing as a stand-up comedian, emphasizing monologues rather than traditional jokes. As a comedian, he developed the persona of an insecure, intellectual, fretful nebbish, which he maintains is quite different from his real-life personality.
[B]If Woody Allen ISN'T a molester what is he?SHOW YOURSELF, SCRIBBLE!!!! [/B]
Originally posted by Scribble
Uh because there was never any proof and he was found not guilty for a number of reasons? There's no factual evidence that he ever molested his own daughter, an allegation made by Mia Farrow shortly after he left her for their adopted daughter.
The daughter has stated on numerous occasions she was molested.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynHave you read any of the shit surrounding it? A great number of psychologists cross-screened her and her story was all over the place. There's just as much a chance that Mia Farrow basically brainwashed her into believing her father molested her as there is him actually doing anything.
The daughter has stated on numerous occasions she was molested.
The son stands by Allen, saying that Farrow was a lunatic who brainwashed them into hating Allen due to him leaving her for Soon-Yi.
Originally posted by Scribble
I mean I'm not saying it definitely didn't happen, but it's a ****ed up and complex situation that I personally refuse to pass judgement on. He was found Not Guilty and I believe the term is "Innocent until proven guilty", and I'm not a big enough of a fan of his to care much more either way.
OK, so given this standard I presume you give the same benefit of the doubt to Weinstein, Cosby, and Ratner?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynEach case is context-dependant. The Ratner one seemed pretty dodgy. OJ Simpson definitely had something else going on for sure, but it's still a really weird and complex case, and I haven't got enough credentials to pass judgement. And again, I don't care that much.
OK, so given this standard I presume you give the same benefit of the doubt to Weinstein, Cosby, and Ratner?
Originally posted by Scribble
Have you read any of the shit surrounding it? A great number of psychologists cross-screened her and her story was all over the place. There's just as much a chance that Mia Farrow basically brainwashed her into believing her father molested her as there is him actually doing anything.
source for this plz. also that last part about mia brainwashing her daughter is a typical accusation made against mothers who try to protect their children from being molested. similar blame-reversal tactic to "she threw herself at me'. the real problem with that is it often works.
Originally posted by Scribble
Weinstein's allegations are many, that amount of evidence will hopefully find him guilty.
"hopefully", I thought you didn't care.
I find it strange that in instances involving DEFINITIVE innocents in the form of minors can be reconciled by allowing for the benefit of the doubt. CONVERSELY, you have ADULT women engaging in sex with men and then maintaning relationships with said men for several years who now claim harassment, abuse and even rape and that is summarily accepted. Even more if you question the nature of these sexual relationships between these adults you are accused of being a misogynist, sexist, and an apologists for rapists.
Originally posted by Bashar TegIf you want the plain facts then just read the Wikipedia article and follow up on sources for anything you need more detail on:
source for this plz. also that last part about mia brainwashing her daughter is a typical accusation made against mothers who try to protect their children from being molested. similar blame-reversal tactic to "she threw herself at me'. the real problem with that is it often works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen_sexual_assault_allegation
This article takes a specific stance but offers a pretty good retelling of the facts:
https://forward.com/opinion/395553/woody-allens-innocence-should-be-a-feminist-cause/
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynOf course I care about abuse of power and sexual assault, that wasn't what I said I didn't care about (if you read my post, this is clear enough). What I don't care about is having to form a specific stance on every single court case where the outcome doesn't resolve all of the outstanding issues: I simply don't have the time to do that, and unlike most people I am not happy to just take a stance without knowing all of the details.
"hopefully", I thought you didn't care.I find it strange that in instances involving DEFINITIVE innocents in the form of minors can be reconciled by allowing for the benefit of the doubt. CONVERSELY, you have ADULT women engaging in sex with men and then maintaning relationships with said men for several years who now claim harassment, abuse and even rape and that is summarily accepted. Even more if you question the nature of these sexual relationships between these adults you are accused of being a misogynist, sexist, and an apologists for rapists.
Originally posted by Scribble
Of course I care about abuse of power and sexual assault, that wasn't what I said I didn't care about (if you read my post, this is clear enough). What I don't care about is having to form a specific stance on every single court case where the outcome doesn't resolve all of the outstanding issues: I simply don't have the time to do that, and unlike most people I am not happy to just take a stance without knowing all of the details.
What is the abuse of power in the context of the specific claims that started the #Metoo movement?
Ashley Judd started the firestorm with her allegations against Weinsterin. How many Weinstein supported projects did she appear in? Oprah Winfrey who is being lauded as the next President of The United States, how many times has she hosted Weinstein and his ilk?
Originally posted by ScribbleThis article takes a specific stance but offers a pretty good retelling of the facts:
https://forward.com/opinion/395553/woody-allens-innocence-should-be-a-feminist-cause/
i respect that even though it is a eagerly one-sided opinion piece, they at least have a moment of intellectual honesty:
Of course, this doesn’t prove Allen’s innocence.