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I mean what, you're happy to outright call Allen a child molester despite all of the evidence on the contrary, but at the same time you don't believe Weinstein has done anything wrong and that all the allegations are false?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i respect that even though it is a eagerly one-sided opinion piece, they at least have a moment of intellectual honesty:
"a moment of intellectual honesty"

sure, sure

yes, i will judge him. if i were an officer of the court or some other agent of the law, i would have the professional courtesy not to. but all i see is a guy who got away with grooming and f*cking his daughter (fact) and was accused by the mother of said daughter of making a play at her other daughter.

Tbh the evidence is strongly in Allen's favour in almost every respect. But outright taking his side requires me to directly contradict a survivor's account from Dylan Farrow. And I'm not comfortable doing that. So hence me initially not even wanting to talk about the topic.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yes, i will judge him. if i were an officer of the court or some other agent of the law, i would have the professional courtesy not to. but all i see is a guy who got away with grooming and f*cking his daughter (fact) and was accused by the mother of said daughter of making a play at her other daughter.
Nice use of oversimplification, there. I thought oversimplification was a bad thing?

Originally posted by Scribble
I mean what, you're happy to outright call Allen a child molester despite all of the evidence on the contrary, but at the same time you don't believe Weinstein has done anything wrong and that all the allegations are false?

If you take the allegations made by the #MeToo proponents seriously it wasn't simply quid pro quo but rather Rape, kidnapping, and terroristic threats. All of the aforementioned are crimes and as such should have been reported to the authorities.

Why havent the women who are being lauded now gone to the authorities about their claims?

Why haven't these women been condemned for being complicit in the same way male entertainers have?

oversimplification
əʊvəsɪmplɪfɪˈkeɪʃ(&#601😉n/Submit
noun
simplification of something to such an extent that a distorted impression is given.

Great cinematography but the soundtrack is annoying

let me rephrase/correct myself:

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
[woody allen] got away with grooming and f*cking his daughter (fact)

^^this is correctly applied simplification

Originally posted by Scribble
oversimplification
əʊvəsɪmplɪfɪˈkeɪʃ(&#601😉n/Submit
noun
simplification of something to such an extent that a distorted impression is given.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yes, i will judge him. if i were an officer of the court or some other agent of the law, i would have the professional courtesy not to. but all i see is a guy who got away with grooming and f*cking his daughter (fact) and was accused by the mother of said daughter of making a play at her other daughter.
The impression I got from this is that Allen groomed and ****ed his own daughter

– He was not Soon-Yi's father / she was not his daughter
– He didn't adopt Soon-Yi

Seems distorted to me just as it is

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
let me rephrase/correct myself:

^^this is correctly applied simplification

Originally posted by Scribble
The impression I got from this is that Allen groomed and ****ed his own daughter

– He was not Soon-Yi's father / she was not his daughter
– He didn't adopt Soon-Yi

Seems distorted to me just as it is

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
If you take the allegations made by the #MeToo proponents seriously it wasn't simply quid pro quo but rather Rape, kidnapping, and terroristic threats. All of the aforementioned are crimes and as such should have been reported to the authorities.

Why havent the women who are being lauded now gone to the authorities about their claims?

Why haven't these women been condemned for being complicit in the same way male entertainers have?

I'm gonna wait until more of it gets covered before even starting to think about answering those questions. I just highly doubt that everything Weinstein did was legal or moral. Sounds like you got it all figured out though.

Anyway I'm putting my foot down now and not discussing it any further. You guys clearly have your opinions that won't be swayed by anything and I have work tomorrow, so I'm not spending my last hour before I go to bed discussing something that I don't even have a set opinion on. Ya feel?

i'll take my lashings scribble. soon i'll have my law degree thanks to you. re-re-amended:

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
[woody allen] got away with grooming [a child in his custody from 9 years old], and later f*cking her.

^fact

Originally posted by Scribble
I'm gonna wait until more of it gets covered before even starting to think about answering those questions. I just highly doubt that everything Weinstein did was legal or moral. Sounds like you got it all figured out though.

What I've figured out is that the level of hypocrisy, immorality, and equivocation that exists in the entertainment industry is even greater than I imagined. Furthermore, the lack of intellect and integrity of those who support the "Movements" born from these individuals is even more astounding.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
i'll take my lashings scribble. soon i'll have my law degree thanks to you. re-re-amended:

^fact

She wasn't in his custody; Allen and Farrow didn't live together, and from all accounts Soon-Yi barely even really interacted with Allen until around 1990, by which time she was 18.

#oversimplificationisalwaysbad

Originally posted by Scribble
from all accounts Soon-Yi barely even really interacted with Allen until around 1990, by which time she was 18.

[Citation Needed]

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What I've figured out is that the level of hypocrisy, immorality, and equivocation that exists in the entertainment industry is even greater than I imagined. Furthermore, the lack of intellect and integrity of those who support the "Movements" born from these individuals is even more astounding.
I mostly agree with your points in this post, but I'm still holding judgements until any further evidence is unveiled, on either side.

Originally posted by Scribble
She wasn't in his custody; Allen and Farrow didn't live together, and from all accounts Soon-Yi barely even really interacted with Allen until around 1990, by which time she was 18.

#oversimplificationisalwaysbad

Do tne teachers who "Groom" the students they later abuse usually have custody of those students?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
[Citation Needed]
Citation provided:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-shocking-custody-case-court-documents-that-shed-light-on-the-dylan-farrow-woody-allen-saga

"Until 1990, Allen had “little to no contact with any of the Previn children” and had “the least to do with Soon-Yi,” of whom he said, “She was someone who didn’t like me.”"