Ultimate vs 616 blade, capt, wolverine

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
There's a difference between being shot directly in the eye by Stryker's Sentinel-enhanced posse and being knocked out by a gas. A gas that didn't even knock out Hard-Drive, Rogue, Toad or Vanisher. So yes, it's VERY far-fetched. Unless you want to argue that this is magic gas that only affects Ult. Juggernaut. Your desperate need to reach beyond the plain presentation of what occurs continues to astound me.

Enhanced gas vs enhanced poison dart LOL. Anyways its no different then your presentation of U.Juggs being KO'ed there since he's not shown "anywhere" KO'ed for that matter. I guess in your magical off panel world imagination he's shown some where.

That is not inconsistent. Batman can affect Wonderwoman with nerve strikes. And all of those characters, save for Nightowl are much stronger than Batman is. And Ult. Captain America is nowhere near as durable as Wonderwoman is. So no. It is not flip-flopping. Being durable enough to sustain punishment from U. Juggs, U. Hulk and U. Abom without dying does not presuppose that you are completely immune to attacks by weaker foes. Think about it.

And yet there are the times Batman can't affect high end bricks like Superman and such. So yes it is inconsistent. Heck why didn't U.Cap ko Nightowl in one shot since you say he can KO U.Juggs. If you can't see a inconsistency then that's your ignorance.

I gave you the issue, it's Ultimate Hulk Annual. There's only one issue. You didn't debunk anything because he did in fact knock out U. Juggs with the last shot.
You only mentioned it once this entire thread. In the very same post you accused me of dodging the feat. 😂

I'll check out the issue hopefully your not hyping it up like you did both instances the U.Juggs fight. Debunk I destroyed your hyped up feat. Yeah it was cool he got the last shot, but you sure did left out U.Juggs state at the time. At least this time it did demonstrate a KO unlike the first time but with circumstances. A tip of the hat to you. I see you still didn't comment on 616 Cap durability feats that I posted above.....way to dodge again.

This is rich. This is even funnier than the time you posted a scan where Cap healed from a bullet in 12 minutes and you swore up and down it was 1 minute. Your own scan! You're just too precious...

hysterical

eh,.......616 Cap healing from a bullet to the head and pronounced dead by the Doc and healing in 12 minutes is still impressive after wards he went to take on the Navy Super Soilder. Who are you kidding your self. Thanks for thinking I'm precious. 😈 That is a good feat and thanks for bringing it up.

Originally posted by willRules

By comparison 616 Cap cannot endure a few bullets. [/B]

Way to leave out the fact that Cap had strength dampers on at the time.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Enhanced gas vs enhanced poison dart LOL. Anyways its no different then your presentation of U.Juggs being KO'ed there since he's not shown "anywhere" KO'ed for that matter. I guess in your magical off panel world imagination he's shown some where.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And yet there are the times Batman can't affect high end bricks like Superman and such. So yes it is inconsistent. Heck why didn't U.Cap ko Nightowl in one shot since you say he can KO U.Juggs. If you can't see a inconsistency then that's your ignorance.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'll check out the issue hopefully your not hyping it up like you did both instances the U.Juggs fight. Debunk I destroyed your hyped up feat. Yeah it was cool he got the last shot, but you sure did left out U.Juggs state at the time. At least this time it did demonstrate a KO unlike the first time but with circumstances. A tip of the hat to you. I see you still didn't comment on 616 Cap durability feats that I posted above.....way to dodge again.

I also see you unwilling to admit how unbelievably foolish and obnoxiously wrong you were when you accused me of dodging a feat that was never presented to me in the first place. Keep it up, precious.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're fine to participate. And you're absolutely right. 👆

In addition to what you've listed:

Strength-wise, off the top of my head: U. Cap held up a huge tree from crushing soldiers, beat on U. Hulk briefly, kicked U. Juggs and sent him flying horizontally through a wall, grappled evenly with U. Spiderman, blocked Zarda's axe-swing without being moved, etc.

Durability-wise: U. Cap got pummeled by U. Hulk and U. Abom, got outright thrashed by U. Juggs, and fought through being poisoned by tetrodotoxin, etc.

It's plain. And it's clear.

For 616 Cap off the top of my head: Cap caught a huge flying torpedo, did a ICBM shield throw, a Helicopter shield throw, held up a lot of amount of debris, beat on the real 616 Hulk, batted around King Thor, brought down Thunder Ball and made him spout out blood, brought down Wrecker, POWNED a Namor Clone(clone defeated real Namor and Original Human torch) grappled with the arms of Lady Octopus to even superhuman 50's Cap.

Durability: Cap got pummeled by Ironman and Namor, survived a 100 mph crash on Ben Grim(Reed tried to stop him but couldn't), survived in a Nuclear furnace. Not to mention the other two durability feats from above.

Its plain and clear if U.Cap if he's stronger it isn't by "a lot". You haven't even proven he's as strong as USAgent as you claim he is. Don't see any handbook support he's 10 tons.

Originally posted by Mindset
I doubt it.

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Doesn't apply since evidence of absence as that evidence could be anything until shown.

You made the claim Spiderman helped off panel. Its up to you to prove it.

Cap's statement proved it.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Way to leave out the fact that Cap had strength dampers on at the time.

Well how about the issue before where he took on a platoon of Hydra soldiers and then confronted SHIELD Capekillers and claimed he was too tired to fight them. He wasn't shot, nor did he have any strength dampeners on then. ✅

Originally posted by Daredevil1
For 616 Cap off the top of my head: Cap caught a huge flying torpedo, did a ICBM shield throw, a Helicopter shield throw, held up a lot of amount of debris, beat on the real 616 Hulk, batted around King Thor, brought down Thunder Ball and made him spout out blood, brought down Wrecker, POWNED a Namor Clone(clone defeated real Namor and Original Human torch) grappled with the arms of Lady Octopus to even superhuman 50's Cap.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Durability: Cap got pummeled by Ironman and Namor, survived a 100 mph crash on Ben Grim(Reed tried to stop him but couldn't), survived in a Nuclear furnace. Not to mention the other two durability feats from above.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Its plain and clear if U.Cap if he's stronger it isn't by "a lot". You haven't even proven he's as strong as USAgent as you claim he is. Don't see any handbook support he's 10 tons.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap's statement proved it.

Your right that he helped with "1 strike" which is what was shown. Nothing on this off panel helping that you eluded to.

Cap said he couldn't have done it w/o Spiderman, unless Spiderman's 1 punch was so substantial that it hurt Hulk enough for Cap to beat Hulk, then it's a pretty sure beat he did some fighting off-panel.

Although, I'll go with him only needing one punch to help Cap take Hulk down, that's more impressive.

Or we could go with it PIS, that'll work too.

Originally posted by willRules
Well how about the issue before where he took on a platoon of Hydra soldiers and then confronted SHIELD Capekillers and claimed he was too tired to fight them. He wasn't shot, nor did he have any strength dampeners on then. ✅

I could be remembering wrong but I don't recall him saying he was too tired to face them. I do remember them asserting to put his hands up and they know he's hurt. From fighting them and that huge explosion that he survived but still hurt him.

U.Cap was also unsure and was worried he could get killed in that room full of soldiers as well.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap said he couldn't have done it w/o Spiderman, unless Spiderman's 1 punch was so substantial that it hurt Hulk enough for Cap to beat Hulk, then it's a pretty sure beat he did some fighting off-panel.

Although, I'll go with him only needing one punch to help Cap take Hulk down, that's more impressive.

Or we could go with it PIS, that'll work too.

PIS will work too for him KO'ing U.Juggs just as easily. shruggs.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
PIS will work too for him KO'ing U.Juggs just as easily. shruggs.

5) He beat on 616 Hulk off-panel with Spiderman's help

This just shows your ignorance. How could Cap beat Hulk off panel since it was "shown" on panel of what he did.................LOL.

Do you even read 616 Cap books. Actually look at the comic. Spiderman only helped with 1 punch that didn't even really affect him that much. Cap shown strikes had Hulk bleeding and was batting him around.

This shows you don't know Cap feats. Some of your other one's are off as well. Plus again Iroman was blood lusted in the annual that he was beating down on Cap. Not Civil war.

Ha. You don't even know the feats. It was in a Cap annual look it up.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
PIS will work too for him KO'ing U.Juggs just as easily. shruggs.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Except it didn't happen off-panel. And Cap said Spiderman helped him. And we actually see the strikes that U. Cap used on U. Juggs. To steal a line from another poster: "Slight difference, slick."

Cap's didn't happen off panel. That poster said he believe Spiderman helped "off panel". Not that Cap beat him off panel. Read or actually look at the book ace.

And to show U.Cap is not "a lot" stronger or even remotely on USAgents strenght level as OneDumbGO once claimed.

Here's U.Cap work out. Non USagent level

Compared to USAGents work out.

Yeah when U.Cap starts doing that then it can be claim he's a lot stronger then Cap. But Cap himself could do U.Caps workout from above.

Watch GO try to twist and turn that scan from above. It so hilarious better then comedy central on TV.....LOL

^ Prove that an old Brooklyn gym has weights that would measure in the 10 tons level. Then prove that U. Cap was working out to his max capacity. Is this argument going to flow like your magic enhanced gas argument that doesn't affect hard-Drive, Rogue, Toad or Vanisher but knocks out Juggernaut? 😂

Originally posted by Daredevil1
This just shows your ignorance. How could Cap beat Hulk off panel since it was "shown" on panel of what he did.................LOL.

Do you even read 616 Cap books. Actually look at the comic. Spiderman only helped with 1 punch that didn't even really affect him that much. Cap shown strikes had Hulk bleeding and was batting him around.

This shows you don't know Cap feats. Some of your other one's are off as well. Plus again Iroman was blood lusted in the annual that he was beating down on Cap. Not Civil war.

Ha. You don't even know the feats. It was in a Cap annual look it up.

I have been collecting comics for over a decade. In fact, the number of Cap comics I have exceed that of any other single title in my entire collection.

This just shows how obnoxious and wrong you are:

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I mentioned it in a past post above sherlock. Now who has the memory of a gold fish. What were you not criticizing me for not knowing U.Caps feats in vol 3. Do I have to hold your hand like a kid and show the pages for you. Its Avengers v1 158.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You only mentioned it once this entire thread. In the very same post you accused me of dodging the feat. 😂

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Watch GO try to twist and turn that scan from above. It so hilarious better then comedy central on TV.....LOL