Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus👆
Calmed down?How was he calmed down?
He was far from calm. He was hornier than ever after Janet flashed him.
Iron Man hurt him by using thought scramblers and all that did was slow him down for a few seconds.
Dropping a tank on him far from calmed him down. It made him angrier than ever.
Ultimate Captain America survived a beating from Ultimate Hulk with only a fractured/broken arm and some bleeding to show it. The same Ultimate Hulk, whom right after beating on Ultimate Captain America, downed Thor in one hit.
So?
Context is important.
All he did was throw himself and his shield in front of a single blow and was sent flying. A shock absorbing Vibranium composed shield. It still was severely dented from that one attack.
Context.
Ultimate Captain America, literally manhandled Giant Man.
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What the **** is a "Superhuman Scroll"?
Now I "know" you made that up.
Whatever you say....
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is baseless speculation. You're inserting a very specific fact to explain away a durability feat that is consistent with all the ones that Ult. Cap has in spades simply because you don't want him to have, yet another one. Until you have proof that Ult. Panther's suit is vibranium, the theory is worthless.
Kind of like you baseless assertion that U.Cap is a lot stronger huh. Just playing your card, I learned from the best. 🙂 Anyways fine you have him taking hits from U.Juggs. U.Juggs recently died from a poison dart in U X men 99......LOL. So not so far fetched for gas to ko him in U.Caps first encounter with him. Again as you asserted that U.Cap KO'ed him through the wall, yet it was never shown nor proven. Your teaching me to well with this baseless assertion logic.
Seem better? Lulz. Neither Ult. Nightowl, nor the Russian Super Soldier, nor Black Panther, nor Tariq subjected Ult. Cap to any punishment that approaches the high-end punishment he's taken. So don't argue that Ult. Cap's durability flip-flops. Ult. Cap does not need to be immune from people like these in order to have a level of durability that allows him to take beatings from Ult. Hulk, Herr Kleiser, Ult. Abom or Ult. Juggs.
Actually thats the epitomy of fip flopping if he can take hits from U.Juggs, U.Hulk, and U.Abom without be even close to death as you say he is from guys who can't even bench close to 800 lbs like nightowl who shouldn't even affect him. Not my fault he's become inconsistent.
facepalmYup. You didn't read Ultimate Hulk Annual either. I knew it, despite arguing over it for 2 pages. You don't even know who Zarda is without wiki, do you?
It doesn't sound impressive to you because apparently you have no idea how strong Zarda is. Or that when you have no force-absorbing shield, in order to stand your ground after blocking the attack of a 100+ class Zarda would require strength well over 616 Cap's. Have you seen 616 Cap when he tries to block a strong foe's attack without a force-absorbing shield? http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2015/capiii08p15and16zq7.jpg Try again.
Well lets see this, what issue did this feat happen in. Title and number or is that the book U.Hulk annual were U.Cap does this? I've already debunked U.Cap KOing U.Juggs as a better feat then 616 Cap. Might as well do the same for this one since you hype up his feat instead of what they really are.
And how can I dodge a feat of 616 Cap's that you haven't mentioned up until now? Am I psychic? Can I see the future? Post the scan of the instance you're speaking of so I can see what you're talking about before projecting your baseless inanity.
I mentioned it in a past post above sherlock. Now who has the memory of a gold fish. What were you not criticizing me for not knowing U.Caps feats in vol 3. Do I have to hold your hand like a kid and show the pages for you. Its Avengers v1 158.
Graviton crushes Cap with his own shield. Wonderman try's to get it off him but cant! And Wonderman is considered close in strength to Thor. How's that for a crazy high durability feat.
Also you might want to check out the feat were the Asgardian executioner put pressure on Cap thats stated to be 100 times earths gravity. In the old Avengers vol 1. When it comes to high end durability feats 616 Cap insanely high end feats and exceeds U.Cap.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Calmed down?How was he calmed down?
He was far from calm. He was hornier than ever after Janet flashed him.
Hornier but not angrier. Look at his face expression and eyes yeah. He didn't look angry in the least.
Iron Man hurt him by using thought scramblers and all that did was slow him down for a few seconds.
Yeah he hurt him all right. U.Hulk was like puking his guts out vomiting. Then he did a last ditch strike out of a building.
Dropping a tank on him far from calmed him down. It made him angrier than ever.Ultimate Captain America survived a beating from Ultimate Hulk with only a fractured/broken arm and some bleeding to show it. The same Ultimate Hulk, whom right after beating on Ultimate Captain America, downed Thor in one hit.
Yes it did. Point is he was still hurt from Ironman and Tank drop. Besides U.Cap put him down briefly is all which is impressive. Nothing that exceeds 616 Cap. Shoot in U.Cap's next fight with U.Thor they were concerned for U.Cap and U.Cap had to use a flame thrower against U.Thor. U.Cap stood no chance against U.Hulk outside from the circumstances that occurred.
Context is important.All he did was throw himself and his shield in front of a single blow and was sent flying. A shock absorbing Vibranium composed shield. It still was severely dented from that one attack.
Now there was circumstances like the U.Cap vs U.Hulk but you get the idea.
Context.Ultimate Captain America, literally manhandled Giant Man.
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And? He outsmarted clumsy Pym and then had lots of construction girders fall on him. Good fight but again how the heck does that even prove he's a lot stronger then Captain America. LOL
Context is important you say. Taskmaster manhandled 3 Giant Men and curb stomps all over U.Cap vs U.Hank Pym. Doesn't mean he's as strong as 616 Cap though.
Look besides the above of Cap affecting King Thor. Cap has even downed Thunder Ball as Thunder Ball even spouted blood and was seeing stars from Cap's punch. IIRC Cap even defeated the Wrecker. Context is important so as you say.
eerWhat the **** is a "Superhuman Scroll"?
Now I "know" you made that up.
I was just making sure you understood that the Scroll that Cap KO'ed was at a superhuman level. Since it possible that not all Scrolls are super strong. Wrong use of terms.
Whatever you say....🙄
Rolling eyes has always been good evidence for U.Cap being "a lot stronger" then 616 Cap. shrugs.
Originally posted by Daredevil1There's a difference between being shot directly in the eye by Stryker's Sentinel-enhanced posse and being knocked out by a gas. A gas that didn't even knock out Hard-Drive, Rogue, Toad or Vanisher. So yes, it's VERY far-fetched. Unless you want to argue that this is magic gas that only affects Ult. Juggernaut. Your desperate need to reach beyond the plain presentation of what occurs continues to astound me.
Kind of like you baseless assertion that U.Cap is a lot stronger huh. Just playing your card, I learned from the best. 🙂 Anyways fine you have him taking hits from U.Juggs. U.Juggs recently died from a poison dart in U X men 99......LOL. So not so far fetched for gas to ko him in U.Caps first encounter with him. Again as you asserted that U.Cap KO'ed him through the wall, yet it was never shown nor proven. Your teaching me to well with this baseless assertion logic.
Originally posted by Daredevil1That is not inconsistent. Batman can affect Wonderwoman with nerve strikes. And all of those characters, save for Nightowl are much stronger than Batman is. And Ult. Captain America is nowhere near as durable as Wonderwoman is. So no. It is not flip-flopping. Being durable enough to sustain punishment from U. Juggs, U. Hulk and U. Abom without dying does not presuppose that you are completely immune to attacks by weaker foes. Think about it.
Actually thats the epitomy of fip flopping if he can take hits from U.Juggs, U.Hulk, and U.Abom without be even close to death as you say he is from guys who can't even bench close to 800 lbs like nightowl who shouldn't even affect him. Not my fault he's become inconsistent.
Originally posted by Daredevil1I gave you the issue, it's Ultimate Hulk Annual. There's only one issue. You didn't debunk anything because he did in fact knock out U. Juggs with the last shot.
Well lets see this, what issue did this feat happen in. Title and number or is that the book U.Hulk annual were U.Cap does this? I've already debunked U.Cap KOing U.Juggs as a better feat then 616 Cap. Might as well do the same for this one since you hype up his feat instead of what they really are.
Originally posted by Daredevil1You only mentioned it once this entire thread. In the very same post you accused me of dodging the feat. 😂
I mentioned it in a past post above sherlock. Now who has the memory of a gold fish. What were you not criticizing me for not knowing U.Caps feats in vol 3. Do I have to hold your hand like a kid and show the pages for you. Its Avengers v1 158.
This is rich. This is even funnier than the time you posted a scan where Cap healed from a bullet in 12 minutes and you swore up and down it was 1 minute. Your own scan! You're just too precious...
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I hope you guys will forgive the fact that I haven't read much of this thread so I apologise if there is repetition in my post.
Why is there a debate over Cap vs Ultimate Cap's strength? I would have thought it glaringly obvious that Ultimate Cap is far superior, physically to 616 Cap, especially in strength and endurance. Whilst Ultimate Cap is much more limited in the number of feats, due to being a far more recent character, pretty much every feat of strength and endurance he as performed has outperformed 616 Cap's abilities.
A brilliant example of this occurs within the first few pages of the first issue of Ultimates when it's stated by Bucky that Cap doesn't even wear a parachute before a jump. Granted we don't get to see this (instead we are treated to him crashing an entire plan through very strong walls) but surviving the (presumably nuclear) blast from the rocket and previously the heat from it's propulsion surely does more than back up Bucky's statement.
By comparison 616 Cap cannot endure a few bullets.
Originally posted by willRulesYou're fine to participate. And you're absolutely right. 👆
I hope you guys will forgive the fact that I haven't read much of this thread so I apologise if there is repetition in my post.Why is there a debate over Cap vs Ultimate Cap's strength? I would have thought it glaringly obvious that Ultimate Cap is far superior, physically to 616 Cap, especially in strength and endurance. Whilst Ultimate Cap is much more limited in the number of feats, due to being a far more recent character, pretty much every feat of strength and endurance he as performed has outperformed 616 Cap's abilities.
A brilliant example of this occurs within the first few pages of the first issue of Ultimates when it's stated by Bucky that Cap doesn't even wear a parachute before a jump. Granted we don't get to see this (instead we are treated to him crashing an entire plan through very strong walls) but surviving the (presumably nuclear) blast from the rocket and previously the heat from it's propulsion surely does more than back up Bucky's statement.
By comparison 616 Cap cannot endure a few bullets.
In addition to what you've listed:
Strength-wise, off the top of my head: U. Cap held up a huge tree from crushing soldiers, beat on U. Hulk briefly, kicked U. Juggs and sent him flying horizontally through a wall, grappled evenly with U. Spiderman, blocked Zarda's axe-swing without being moved, etc.
Durability-wise: U. Cap got pummeled by U. Hulk and U. Abom, got outright thrashed by U. Juggs, and fought through being poisoned by tetrodotoxin, etc.
It's plain. And it's clear.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're fine to participate. And you're absolutely right. 👆In addition to what you've listed:
Strength-wise, off the top of my head: U. Cap held up a huge tree from crushing soldiers, beat on U. Hulk briefly, kicked U. Juggs and sent him flying horizontally through a wall, grappled evenly with U. Spiderman, blocked Zarda's axe-swing without being moved, etc.
Durability-wise: U. Cap got pummeled by U. Hulk and U. Abom, got outright thrashed by U. Juggs, and fought through being poisoned by tetrodotoxin, etc.
It's plain. And it's clear.
Not to mention with the tetrodotoxin feat he was sleep deprived, lacking his shield and was subsequently pummeled into gravestones by numerous soldiers and Iron-man inspired rocket men ✅
