i think he's actually running on a beam of light on that one....could be wrong tho..
to the point: speed blitzing always came across to me as some have already mentioned....multiple attacks with no chance for a proper defense.... thats why writers usually go out of thier way to show characters as a blur regardless of whether they have true superhuman speed or not ppl we've seen:
Batman
Batgirl
Deathstroke
Spiderman
Originally posted by Endless MikeOne of the reasons that I so hate the Flash and DC in general 😖
Here is Wally saying he could outrun gravity, meaning he could run into the air too fast for gravity to pull him down:http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/wallyflashtick.jpg
Oh and here are the scans of him running in space that I found:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/runspace.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/runspace2.jpg
Originally posted by Starscream M
If you make it relative...then if I punch a fat old man, that would make me speedblitzing him, and it shouldn't be categorized as such.
On the other hand, if Bruce goes batty on the Joker, unleashing a flurry of rapid blows which take him down, wouldn't that count as a speedblitz?
Obviously, speed has to be a component. I'm just saying the effect of that speed (in an attack) is more important than the actual fact of it when calling something a blitz.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Here is Wally saying he could outrun gravity, meaning he could run into the air too fast for gravity to pull him down:http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/wallyflashtick.jpg
Oh and here are the scans of him running in space that I found:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/runspace.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/runspace2.jpg
I'm pretty sure that in the first scan he's referring to the fact that he can run faster than the 32 feet per second "falling rate" of what gravity exerts on a body. Or at least that's the only way what he's saying makes sense.
And in the second two, he's running on Kyle's construct.
Originally posted by Mindship
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Yeah, I was pondering something like that when I was composing my first post (I was picturing two old guys flailing away at each other).On the other hand, if Bruce goes batty on the Joker, unleashing a flurry of rapid blows which take him down, wouldn't that count as a speedblitz?
Obviously, speed has to be a component. I'm just saying the effect of that speed (in an attack) is more important than the actual fact of it when calling something a blitz.
The way I've always seen is it that a "speedblitz" is when a character uses his drastically increased speed offensively against someone who doesn't have the ability to match that speed.
IE, Quicksilver hitting Captain America counts as a speedblitz. So would Quicksilver hitting Wally if Wally didn't know the attack was coming and was at rest. But say, Spiderman hitting Captain America, who is prepared for the attack, but just not quite fast enough to block it, isn't really a speedblitz. Spidey might be a bit faster than Cap, but the differential isn't intense enough to warrant calling it a speedblitz.
Originally posted by tjcoady
The way I've always seen is it that a "speedblitz" is when a character uses his drastically increased speed offensively against someone who doesn't have the ability to match that speed.IE, Quicksilver hitting Captain America counts as a speedblitz. So would Quicksilver hitting Wally if Wally didn't know the attack was coming and was at rest. But say, Spiderman hitting Captain America, who is prepared for the attack, but just not quite fast enough to block it, isn't really a speedblitz. Spidey might be a bit faster than Cap, but the differential isn't intense enough to warrant calling it a speedblitz.
I'd agree with that for the most part, but I think the Spidey vs Cap example isn't a good one. I'd argue that Spidey has "Speedblitzed" characters like Daredevil in the past ✅
Originally posted by tjcoadyAnd in this instance, not having the ability to match that speed would mean being unable to launch an effective defense.
The way I've always seen is it that a "speedblitz" is when a character uses his drastically increased speed offensively against someone who doesn't have the ability to match that speed. IE, Quicksilver hitting Captain America counts as a speedblitz.
So would Quicksilver hitting Wally if Wally didn't know the attack was coming and was at rest.But here, Wally does have the ability to match Quicksilver's speed. In this instance, though, he wasn't prepared to launch an effective defense.
Either way, the blitz aspect was successful.
since tehre is a lot of talk about super pseed here i had a question ; in this instance(Lending his speed to the Flash (Jay Garrick), racing with the Flash, being clocked at MACH 500
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up until adam buckles is BA keeping up with jay at superliminal speeds on foot? Or does jay accelrate from mach500 to superliminal?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Black Adam reaches Mach 500 which is the point where his strength "began to flag". Once he stumbled, Jay stole his speed and reached lightspeed. So no, Black Adam was never lightspeed in that race.
so was jay also at mach 500 and accelerating (is't he meant to be sub light speed?)? or did black adams speed + jay going at mach 500 = jay at light speed?
Originally posted by ankur29
so was jay also at mach 500 and accelerating (is't he meant to be sub light speed?)? or did black adams speed + jay going at mach 500 = jay at light speed?
That's why I put an emphasis on the began to flag, as that is practically the point where he started fealing the strain of those speeds.
What that instance tells us is that..
Black Adam can reach the speed of Mach 500 at which point he begins to strain.
Flash (Jay) is faster than Black Adam.
Flash's velocity + Black Adam's = Lightspeed.
Originally posted by Mindship
And in this instance, not having the ability to match that speed would mean being unable to launch an effective defense.But here, Wally does have the ability to match Quicksilver's speed. In this instance, though, he wasn't prepared to launch an effective defense.
Either way, the blitz aspect was successful.
Right. I figure that you can count it as a blitz even if the character does have the ability to counter it, but doesn't. For instance, Wally hitting Superman, if Superman isn't relying on his superspeed abilities would be a blitz; but if they were moving at more or less the same speed, and Wally was moving marginally faster and tagged Clark, that would not be.
I could blitz an old guy but I wouldn't call it speedblitz.
I'd only refer to it as such if it was (far) in excess of what he could potentially defend against.
Potentially, with training I could defend myself against the best fighters in the world (maybe not well but you understand I hope). There is no level of training that would allow me to mount a sliver of a defence against Quicksilver or Flash.
('far' probably not being necessary as the 'in excess' kind of covers that too)
Originally posted by lft4ded
I could blitz an old guy but I wouldn't call it speedblitz.I'd only refer to it as such if it was (far) in excess of what he could potentially defend against.
Potentially, with training I could defend myself against the best fighters in the world (maybe not well but you understand I hope). There is no level of training that would allow me to mount a sliver of a defence against Quicksilver or Flash.
('far' probably not being necessary as the 'in excess' kind of covers that too)
No, I understand what you're saying. A normal human would have no chance of beating Captain America.... and Captain America would be clearly MUCH, MUCH faster than any of us... but it wouldn't be a speedblitz . In a fight, he would be using his speed offensively, and we wouldn't be able to guard against it.... but it would be more or less "within" our level. That's why it wouldn't exactly be a speedblitz if Spiderman attacked Cap really, really fast- Spiderman is much faster than Cap, but he's not so far outside of his speed "level" that Cap couldn't possibly guard against it.
Someone like Wally moving far in excess of the speed of sound, attacking Cap, though, would be a speedblitz: Cap can never HOPE to match those levels of speed.
Originally posted by Galan007
During his race with Krakkl, Flash was running through both time and space.Examples:
Yeah, I see what you're saying. All I mean to say is we get things like "Flash versus Magneto" in the versus thread, and people just state "speedblitz"... But the instances of Flash hitting a target that's even just flying low to the ground are rare, and involve him jumping off a hill, or a construct from GL in JLA, or something like that. And him hitting someone who is flying pretty high up? Practically never.
Basically, my point is that Flash is tremendously, tremendously overrated based on his "possible" powers, rather than how he ever acts.
