The "chosen one" didn't really bring balance to the force

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
The whole "brings balance to the force" thing was fulfilled by Anakin, if you remember, in RotS Yoda says "A prophecy that misread could have been."

Look at it all, he becomes a jedi, trains himself to extremely high standards and skill, then turns and becomes all he can (with the suit and all). At one point making the Jedi the more feared side, then when he turns, making the Sith the more feared side.

Then he redeems himself to undo what he has done and make both sides equal; weak and low in numbers (because lets face it, the Rule of Two applied throughout, but there are always more sith then let on, and the jedi weren't destroyed, just scattered)...

"Jedi the more feared." I don't think they would like that.

Originally posted by Barringer
I agree this is Lucas' intent. The movies never reference a "light side", the Jedi just use "The Force". Thus, rather than the Force being a Yin Yang, the Force is what the Jedi use, and the dark side is a corruption or unnatural perversion of the Force, which is why it is out of balance.

That is a very good point. Never thought of it that way, but it makes a lot of sense.

Well to me to "Bring Balance To The Force" means destroying The Old Jedi Order & The Old Republic and remaking them brand new kind of like Japan in WWII. they were a ok country but when they were bombed and nearly destroyed by the USA they rebuilt thier country and remade it twenty times better then it once was.

Originally posted by DarthLazious
Well to me to "Bring Balance To The Force" means destroying The Old Jedi Order & The Old Republic and remaking them brand new kind of like Japan in WWII. they were a ok country but when they were bombed and nearly destroyed by the USA they rebuilt thier country and remade it twenty times better then it once was.

Jacen Solo aka D. Caedus did not bring balance to the Force. IMO there is no such thing because there cannot be balance without chaos. Even Luke did not bring balance to the Force because of his short stint with the dark side. Just my two cents worth.

Yes he [Anakin] did [...bring balance to the Force].

First, it is confirmed by George Lucas in the documentary on the VHS version of A New Hope: Special Edition. Second, it is confirmed by George Lucas again in the Revenge of the Sith DVD extras.

That's enough to make it irrefutable fact.

For elaboration, what does bringing balance to the Force mean? Lucas defines it as "doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe." The New Essential Guide to Characters, the Ultimate Visual Guide, the official databank, and other sources that could be listed ad infinitum attribute it directly to the death of Palpatine. By killing Palpatine (the imbalance), Anakin restores balance to the Force.

The Sith afterwards? Pretenders and fakes, the lot of them. Palpatine's dead; as far as the Force is concerned, that's all that matters.

"true sith" are a race that revan set out to find at the end of kotor. As far as we know "sith" are extinct, and the race of "sith" is defenitely extinct. Its just a name given to dark jedi at this point. making the EU moneymilkers ****ing retards when it comes to story writing. seriously. STOP WRITING SHIT THAT COMES AFTER THE OT!
Ty.

Originally posted by Gideon
Yes he [Anakin] did [...bring balance to the Force].

First, it is confirmed by George Lucas in the documentary on the VHS version of A New Hope: Special Edition. Second, it is confirmed by George Lucas again in the Revenge of the Sith DVD extras.

That's enough to make it irrefutable fact.

For elaboration, what does bringing balance to the Force mean? Lucas defines it as "doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe." The New Essential Guide to Characters, the Ultimate Visual Guide, the official databank, and other sources that could be listed ad infinitum attribute it directly to the death of Palpatine. By killing Palpatine (the imbalance), Anakin restores balance to the Force.

The Sith afterwards? Pretenders and fakes, the lot of them. Palpatine's dead; as far as the Force is concerned, that's all that matters.

I was having trouble with the question at first, having thought of it myself after I've read the EU stuff I get my hands on, and came to this same conclusion.

I believe Anakin was the chosen one because he destroyed the galaxy's biggest threat - Palpatine - and the cause of the imbalance. Eased the Force's mind or something I guess, so the Force let the other dark siders out to play knowing that nothing as bad as what-might've-been-if-palpy's-still-around would happen again, for the chosen one has fulfilled his destiny.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
"true sith" are a race that revan set out to find at the end of kotor. As far as we know "sith" are extinct, and the race of "sith" is defenitely extinct. Its just a name given to dark jedi at this point. making the EU moneymilkers ****ing retards when it comes to story writing. seriously. STOP WRITING SHIT THAT COMES AFTER THE OT!
Ty.

Lucas never intended for the Sith to become a race; it was a misinterpretation by the writers of the Tales of the Jedi comics.

But yes, I don't think anyone after Palpatine should be considered a fully-fledged Sith. The Sith were the ultimate evil. Everyone that comes after ROTJ is just following their example. Lumiya had some Sith training, but like Dooku's tutorship of Ventress, I don't believe Vader gave her all the answers. Dark Jedi can be powerful without being Sith.

Originally posted by Captain REX
But yes, I don't think anyone after Palpatine should be considered a fully-fledged Sith. The Sith were the ultimate evil. Everyone that comes after ROTJ is just following their example. Lumiya had some Sith training, but like Dooku's tutorship of Ventress, I don't believe Vader gave her all the answers. Dark Jedi can be powerful without being Sith.

I'm not sure how much this is true anymore after all Krayt did train from Xoxaan who is an ancient sith and while it seems like Bane,Anddedu and Nihilus(though we dont know for sure what he said) declared him a pretender that doesn't mean he actually is. I mean Nadd called Exar Kun a pretender only for Ragnos to delcare him DLOTS afterward. I hate to admit but Darth Krayt is a true sith lord.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
I'm not sure how much this is true anymore after all Krayt did train from Xoxaan who is an ancient sith and while it seems like Bane,Anddedu and Nihilus(though we dont know for sure what he said) declared him a pretender that doesn't mean he actually is. I mean Nadd called Exar Kun a pretender only for Ragnos to delcare him DLOTS afterward. I hate to admit but Darth Krayt is a true sith lord.

Based on what? He never actually learned at the feet of a sith lord.

Neither did Kun.

Or Revan.

Or, really, Bane.

Didn't Kun learn from Nadd's spirit?

And perhaps we'll find out Revan learned from like Ludo Kressh or some shit.

And doesn't Bane have that whole "Learned from Revan/the Brotherhood---who themselves can trace educational lineage through to the Old Sith Wars?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Didn't Kun learn from Nadd's spirit?

Krayt actually learned from no less than four spirits, unless I'm mistaken.

And perhaps we'll find out Revan learned from like Ludo Kressh or some shit.

And doesn't Bane have that whole "Learned from Revan/the Brotherhood---who themselves can trace educational lineage through to the Old Sith Wars?

Did XoXaan actually declare him a Lord of the Sith or merely teach him what he knew?

Anyway, the official databank says that with the death of the Emperor, Anakin "extinguish[ed] the menace of the Sith once and for all."

Originally posted by Gideon
Did XoXaan actually declare him a Lord of the Sith or merely teach him what he knew?

What I do know is that no elder or mentor declared Revan or Bane to be Dark Lords, either, but no one here outwardly considers them to be pretenders.

Anyway, the official databank says that with the death of the Emperor, Anakin "extinguish[ed] the menace of the Sith once and for all."

The official databank is more likely to go with the strictly Lucas view on post-ROTJ stuff.

Krayt was apparently satisfied that he had finished his training under XoXaan, but it never says if the title of Dark Lord was ever bestowed upon him.

Faunus covered most of it and I can't really add much to his points since I don't read the legacy comics.

But as far as the sw databank goes, I have to ask what is up with up it? It seems like it takes them to update it Some of the characters like Han and Luke are caught up to "legacy of the force" but others like the Solo twins and Leia's bios are only up to the end of the vong war. So it sort of makes me wonder how up to date the "sith" entry is.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Lucas never intended for the Sith to become a race; it was a misinterpretation by the writers of the Tales of the Jedi comics.

But yes, I don't think anyone after Palpatine should be considered a fully-fledged Sith. The Sith were the ultimate evil. Everyone that comes after ROTJ is just following their example. Lumiya had some Sith training, but like Dooku's tutorship of Ventress, I don't believe Vader gave her all the answers. Dark Jedi can be powerful without being Sith.

Does it matter if they're "truly" sith or not? If they're just as powerful then they are just as much of a threat.

But here's a theory: Sidious was evil at it's absolute strongest. After Sidious died, there will never again be a sith lord stronger than him.