Lizard vs. The Thing

Originally posted by KingD19
If Lizard flooded the sewers, Thing could just swim out, he can hold his breath for an incredibly long time(Probably longer than Lizard), and he can still swim despite his form. Plus he he sees a wall, he can bust it to help drain the water.

My point was that he wouldn't see Lizard coming while making his way out of the water. Lizzy knows the sewers probably like no one else. He can stick to the ceilings few levels above the flood and just wait for Ben in the shadows. Then, one sneak attack from above and eye-gouge for the win.

Originally posted by d3str0ya10
well we will be in one sewer where there are lizard men lol.

I'm afraid you can't change the stipulations that much right now, the thread is already twelve pages long. Mods won't like this.

True, Lizard could lay in wait, but the percentage of eye gouging Ben when he comes out of the water is very low. Plus, even if his eyes were gone, Ben wouldn't stop fighting, that's a fact.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm afraid you can't change the stipulations that much right now, the thread is already twelve pages long. Mods won't like this.

Why would there be humans in the sewer? Especially when he and Thing are fighting, if he tried to bite a human who for some unimaginable reason is down there, he leaves himself open to get killed from behind.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yes, they can spit Acid in the games, we all know this, but this is the Comic VS forum, not the Game VS forum. If you want them to spit acid, you'll have to take this to the Game forum, capiche?

And true, Lizard swinging his tail can break concrete, but I don't see it knocking Ben off his feet.

Even if he did fall, and then the Lizardmen dog piled him, he could easily throw them off. Plus, them swarming Ben, means that Lizard can't get at him without going through his own group.

And like I said, even if they did have Acid, it wouldn't be concentrated enough, or powerful enough to melt the Thing's skin.

Originally posted by KingD19
True, Lizard could lay in wait, but the percentage of eye gouging Ben when he comes out of the water is very low. Plus, even if his eyes were gone, Ben wouldn't stop fighting, that's a fact.

He's not used to that type of injury. Piercing damage and loss of major organs are enough to put him down.

Originally posted by KingD19
Why would there be humans in the sewer? Especially when he and Thing are fighting, if he tried to bite a human who for some unimaginable reason is down there, he leaves himself open to get killed from behind.

He was Class 85 during his debut, he's trained hard over the years and is now in the 100 Class.

And there is no way in hell that he could turn 60-90 humans in that short span of time.

And yes, Ben could toss off that many with ease, 60-90 isn't even over 3 or 4 tons.

And once again, movies and games don't have any sway here, plus those dogs were genetically altered, and a lot stronger than a lizard man. Plus, as soon as he got mad, what happened? His shoulders grew and he snapped their jaws.

Ben ain't Hulk or Juggernaut, but he's fought Hulk more times than I can count, and he's always held his own, despite Hulk continuing to get stronger.

And he doesn't have to be fast, while he's focused on biting the human, Ben could easily hit him or throw something at him. I'd like to see him dodge something thrown at full speed by Thing.

And it might slow him down, be extremely painful, but it's not going to stop him, nothing stops Thing except death, unconsciousness, or the possibility of his friends being hurt.

Originally posted by KingD19
He was Class 85 during his debut, he's trained hard over the years and is now in the 100 Class.

Is there any handbook that confirms it?

And during his debut he wasn't Class 85. He was Class 5 😐

Actually, I was mistaken, he was Class 5 at his debut, got to Class 85 over the years, then made it to Class 100 recently. And I think it was stated somewhere how his intense workouts over the years have dramatically increased his strength. But it doesn't have to be in a handbook, he's proved it.

If you know that, then you know he's currently 100.

Plus I just read that his musculature, bone structure, internal organ composition, and soft tissue structure, are greatly increased in toughness and density thanks to his transformation.

Originally posted by KingD19
True, his bones are rubbery, and true, he can regenerate, but when a guy whose Class 100 gets a full strength, clean hit to your head, you're not getting up. And he can't regenerate from everything that Thing can do to him, like rip him in half. Hell, if Thing does any major damage, he still wins the fight, even if Lizard heals.

As for Wolverine beating Hercules, it's nothing special, he takes down heavy hitters all the time, he's f*ckin Wolverine.

I'd like to see Lizard take down Thing in the sewers with, no way to hurt him except try to gouge his eyes out.

oh well i underestimated the thing WAY to much in the movie he fights like a wuss compared to the comic one.but how much does the the thing weigh the lizard wieghs 550 pounds and if thats more than the thing he could put his weight into his tail and just fight with his tail but there not THAT much the hulk can do to the lizard and the lizard can run at speeds up to 45 mph. and he can coil his tail and spring up to 30 feet in distance and without his tail he can pounce 18 feet distance and 16 feet up.

Originally posted by KingD19
Actually, I was mistaken, he was Class 5 at his debut, got to Class 85 over the years, then made it to Class 100 recently. And I think it was stated somewhere how his intense workouts over the years have dramatically increased his strength. But it doesn't have to be in a handbook, he's proved it.

If you know that, then you know he's currently 100.

Plus I just read that his musculature, bone structure, internal organ composition, and soft tissue structure, are greatly increased in toughness and density thanks to his transformation.

It does have to be in a handbook if we're going to treat him like a legitimate Class 100.

Wonder Man used to be Class 95 (lol). Of course he had many Class 100+ feats. But I don't think he could lift as many tons as legitimate Class 100/100+ characters.

Thing weighs about 500lbs even.

Everyone is a wuss in the movies compared to their comic counterpart.

And even getting hit with the tail will cause no real damage. Thing regularly tanks hits from people like Hulk and Namor, Lizard's tail wouldn't do much more than annoy him, and maybe knock him off balance if he doesn't have good footing.

And stating how fast Lizard can run and how high he can jump mean nothing in a fight. All that's saying is he can run away good, and jump out of the fight. And unless they're in a big sewage facility with a high roof, jumping will do him no good.

Wonderman tanked a hit from an angry Sentry who didn't give a damn who got hurt, I say that makes him 100.

And even if you don't treat Ben like a 100, if you treat him like an 85, that still makes him extremely overqualified to beat Lizard.

In X4 Wolverine leaped at Ben and could gouge his eyes out. He didn't do it of course, he's an X-Man after all. But that just shows Ben's reaction time is pathetic.

Now you've to realize that Lizard's faster than Logan.

I never said that Liazard wasn't faster than Logan, or that Ben could keep up with Lizard the whole time. But do you honestly think that as soon as the fight starts, Lizards gonna say, gotta go for those eyes!!!!!

No, I don't. I clarified that in the other post. Lizard would just dance around Thing at the beginning, Blade's style.

Originally posted by KingD19
True, his bones are rubbery, and true, he can regenerate, but when a guy whose Class 100 gets a full strength, clean hit to your head, you're not getting up. And he can't regenerate from everything that Thing can do to him, like rip him in half. Hell, if Thing does any major damage, he still wins the fight, even if Lizard heals.

As for Wolverine beating Hercules, it's nothing special, he takes down heavy hitters all the time, he's f*ckin Wolverine.

I'd like to see Lizard take down Thing in the sewers with, no way to hurt him except try to gouge his eyes out.