Lizard vs. The Thing

I forgot about that one time he did the triple somersault into a back flip.

Originally posted by KingD19
And the inside of Ben is the same as his outside, it's all rock, somehow. I've seen the scans of his liver or something, everything is orange rock, weird right?

OK, his liver may be made of an orange rock... but there's still some "normal" tissue:

Credit goes again to jinzin.

Even Ultimate Thing had one lump blown off and you could see the "normal" tissue.

Originally posted by KingD19
And back then, Spidey took hits from everybody. He got hit by Juggernaut and was okay.

Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact that cracking Spidey's superhuman durable ribs with one tail attack is impressive.

Originally posted by steverules_2
What!?! Ben's always doing back flips and what not

Yeah, I underestimated his agility (a bit), but it's still nothing compared to Lizard who can bounce off the walls like friggin Speedball.

We're using 616 aren't we?

the lizard really couldn't do much to grimm.....only hope would be that tail(which could succeed). then again ben couldn't do much either.....i don't see him getting ahold of anyone with spidey like agility/speed. i'll give it to thing FTM because he could in theory hit and fatally injure the lizard(who has a great healing factor BTW).....but who knows, this fight could last all day long, and i'm sure ben will tire out much much earlier than curt.

Originally posted by KingD19
Squirrel Girl would be an omnieversal threat if she ever went bad.

And my synopsis on the Lizard/Thing battle....
Lizard - Class 12
Thing - Class 100

Lizard - Barely bulletproof
Thing - Tanks hits from Hulk and high powered artillery

Lizard loses, badly. And he might be able to regenerate limbs, but I'd like to see him regenerate crushed ribs.

They can both go about a full day fighting non stop, but getting beat on by Thing all day is not something I'd want to do. And being completely bulletproof, and being able to take a punch from Hulk are two totally different levels of durability.

Originally posted by KingD19
We're using 616 aren't we?

Yes, of course we are. That bit about Ultimate Thing was just some extra info.

The scans are from Earth-616, though. So I don't really see the problem.

Originally posted by namorsubby
the lizard really couldn't do much to grimm.....only hope would be that tail(which could succeed). then again ben couldn't do much either.....i don't see him getting ahold of anyone with spidey like agility/speed. i'll give it to thing FTM because he could in theory hit and fatally injure the lizard(who has a great healing factor BTW).....but who knows, this fight could last all day long, and i'm sure ben will tire out much much earlier than curt.

Lizard has Connor's intellect 4 this fight. Add his extraordinary speed and he'd gouge Ben's eyes out.

ben has no superhuman stamina. how could he fight non-stop for 24 hours? or even an hour?

lizard wouldn't be getting beat on all day......up against spidey level agility ben would be lucky to land anything.

i won't dare compare their levels of durability, but curt's healing factor, although undefined over the years, could render him extremely hard to kill here. if you take the fact that grimm won't be connecting even remotely close to often and add it to the fact that lizard can easily recover from otherwise mortal wounds, it makes this a hard match to judge.

most definatly and ill make the calls he has conners intelect not bruter

That's a possibility true, but it's just as much a possibility that while he's going for Ben's eyes, Ben could crush his hand, or his arm, or skull.

crushing his hand or arm wouldn't even be a hinderence. maybe not even his skull.

this is lizard after being slashed up badly(particularly the throat) and crushed on the floor after being tossed of a high building. even before he completely heals, he shows complete lack of acknowledgment for pain:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/the%20lizard/VFX-SensationalSpider-Man24-022.jpg

the rest is here
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=480729&pagenumber=1

That was savage Lizard, Connors Lizard is a different story. You're telling me he won't acknowledge the intense pain that comes from having his bones crushed into tiny pieces?

Originally posted by KingD19
That's a possibility true, but it's just as much a possibility that while he's going for Ben's eyes, Ben could crush his hand, or his arm, or skull.

I doubt it. There is a huge gap between them when it comes to the speed and reflexes.

idk, but i know conner intellect has never been shown to affect his healing factor or apathy for pain.

^But while he's going for Ben's eyes, he's leaving himself open to get thrashed. Considering Ben's fighting skill, I say you're underrating him.

And I never said his HF would be affected, or that the pain would stop him, I'm just saying. Lizard is all instinct, Connors is an intelligent mind. Wolverine heals like nobodies business, but he still feels the pain.

Originally posted by KingD19
That was savage Lizard, Connors Lizard is a different story. You're telling me he won't acknowledge the intense pain that comes from having his bones crushed into tiny pieces?

Connors retains some of Lizard's savagery and badassery (think of Wolverine retaining his skills while in berserker rage). And he could always set free The Lizard if he really needed to... and regain the control any time he wants.

Originally posted by namorsubby
idk, but i know conner intellect has never been shown to affect his healing factor or apathy for pain.

Exactly.

Originally posted by KingD19
^But while he's going for Ben's eyes, he's leaving himself open to get thrashed. Considering Ben's fighting skill, I say you're underrating him.

I'm not saying that the first thing that Lizard would do would be just leaping with the claws pointed at Ben's eyes. He'd dance around Ben a little (think of Blade who is much inferior to Lizzy when it comes to speed considering that he can't match Spider-Man).

therefore this is the finally answer if the thing happens to get his hands on the lizard which is a 3/10 chance and crushes the lizard he regenertaes the crushed bones and he howls for his companions and they smother the thing till lizard heals and then he pile on top of that and they kill the thing with there acid spitting.