Lizard vs. Sabretooth

Started by namorsubby12 pages

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh yeah I did.. Lest you have something that remotely compares to being stabbed in the heart and ignoring it or falling from space and getting up immediately...

By lookinng at the size and weight of apartment generators that get bolted down to the roof. 😐

yeah....
Sad for Spidey.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2008/sabes4.jpg

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1462/sabes3au2.jpg

Considering that he only typically appears in Spiderman issues, and I make it a point to own or read as many Spidey issues as I can get my hands on......

yeah he does so using prep, sneak attacks, help, distractions, plot devices and any plethora of crap that doesn't mean anything on KMC... what happens when those aren't a factor? Spiderman webs his face faster than he can even move.

what in god's name are you talking about? lizard needs a plot device, sneak attacks, help, PREP? to beat spidey? doesn't get anymore incorrect. it's actually the exact reverse

you'll find several instances of liz straight up whooping spidey in the comics, but you'll be hard pressed to find one where spidey does anymore than contend in a straight up fight

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=480729&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by jinzin
QUOTE=11786554]Originally posted by namorsubby
[B] lol. i know you're not refering to that punisher/spidey team up on your thread? tsk,tsk,tsk. that proved nothing
that was only half of what I was reffering to.
And how does that not prove anything?
Sabretooth closed ground on Spiderman before he could do anything, ignored his punches, cuaght him before he could react, tossed him away like an annoyance and then brought a roof down on top of him before he could react... all while Punisher was trying to take potshots at him with automatic rifle fire.

So what? So he did that to Spiderman who had a team up... TWICE....

And he did it faster than Lizards ever done it in 1on1's.

helpless against Savage Curt? When? When he was posioned?

And that's just it! You want to make Lizard out to be Sabretooth's superior based on his performances around Spiderman but in reality, Spiderman's performances against Creed have been worse. Shall we just ignore those, so you can pretend Lizard's going to win here?

He didn't desire to die. 🤨

It never said that. What it said was that once he was attacked and Vermin had the advantage there was a part in him that said to give up. Obviously he didn't but the fight continued off panel for an entire issue after that and the non partison narrative flat out stated they were trying to kill eachother.
Too bad Lizard had a hard time doing it... same as he did with Black Cat. 😐 Shit, Sabretooth performed better against her when she was uber enhanced by Kingpin WITHOUT powers than Lizard did against her toned down selft with em.

Read first class. I don't have them on hand as I haven't previously saved them to file. [/B][/QUOTE] spidey's performances against lizard have indeed been worse. and yes, lizard has stopped spidey much faster than sabes did in that pun team up, and in a much more definite way. check the thread. i believe it's like their second encounter. spidey has no chance. hell spidey has all out punched lizard and hurt/fractured his knuckles on his face, without the lizard being remotely injured.

jesus.......curt DID desire to die in that fight with vermin. i have the scans on my thread that state so within the dialogue of their fight.you might wanna check through there thoroughly before you state anymore "facts" concerning the lizard. this is getting ridiculous

black cat was uberly enhanced by the rock of life against lizard when they fought(AND SO WAS VERMIN). and the only reason she took the advantage was because curt's son was shot before his eyes and it was a bit of a distraction to say the least. i love how you bring up instances like this and simply leave out what is inconvienent to your arguement. idk if i can stand anymore of your "facts". cat wasn't "toned down". she was the most savage and powerful she's been. exact opposites. can't believe this.

anyway. i believe i agreed to disagree some time back. good match, but i'll take curt FTM

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol....go read a lizard bio, after that encounter liz was assumed dead, and spidey was supposed to have in fact broken curt's neck.

what do you think happened.....lizard just went all "dead" for no reason or something? lol

Sure assumed dead... Doesn't mean his neck got broke. It doesn't say it either. Thing is I don't need to read bios because I read comics. And in that comic? There's no indication that Lizards neck was broken aside from some broad statement that you've personalized for him.

What do I think happened? Oh jeez I dunno, maybe Lizard got knocked out by the sheer force of the chains hitting him in the face.

He wasn't "dead", he went limp....

The narrative says spidey hit him with enough force to break A neck, if it meant Lizards neck why didn't it say Lizard's neck?

The entire story makes a point of overexplaining details and flat out stating references directly to Spiderman and Lizard, it would be vastly inconsistent storytelling to change that up at the end.

It's the same as narratives that state Hulk slams Wolverine to the ground with bone shattering force.. we know that Hulk didn't shatter his bones. 😐

Originally posted by namorsubby
what in god's name are you talking about? lizard needs a plot device, sneak attacks, help, PREP? to beat spidey? doesn't get anymore incorrect. it's actually the exact reverse

you'll find several instances of liz straight up whooping spidey in the comics, but you'll be hard pressed to find one where spidey does anymore than contend in a straight up fight

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=480729&pagenumber=1

PTFFBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

YEAH RIGHT!

You're outright delusional if you think that's the case. What I'm talking about is pretty much every fight Conners has had with ol' Petey boy.
Almost every damned one has some instance of:
Spiderman pulling punches to a point that he chastizes himself for doing so based on their relationship, even moreso than usual.
Stopping himself from taking blows when to try and reason with Conners.
Conners calling upon all manner of swamp creature to help fight Spidey.
Spidey getting distracted.
Spidey worrying about bystanders.
Spidey getting blindsided or sneak attacked.
Having his SS on the fritze.
Being poisoned in the McFarlane instance.
And the list goes on and on....

To think that Conners' fights with Spiderman are even REMOTELY "straight up" in any of the instances he's secured an advantage are out and out DE-LUSIONAL.

I don't need links to a respect thread for a character who almost entirely Spiderman related. I realize that you're probably used to going into thread completely unaware of the facts concerning the opposition as it's what you normally do but unlike you I engage in VS. threads when I actually know a bit about what I'm talking about....

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Conners having the same level of healing as Sabretooth! LMAO

Originally posted by jinzin

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1462/sabes3au2.jpg

Yea, that doesn't seem right.

Are there more instances of him ripping apart webbing?

Originally posted by namorsubby
spidey's performances against lizard have indeed been worse. and yes, lizard has stopped spidey much faster than sabes did in that pun team up, and in a much more definite way. check the thread. i believe it's like their second encounter. spidey has no chance. hell spidey has all out punched lizard and hurt/fractured his knuckles on his face, without the lizard being remotely injured.

Yeah, no they haven't. Spiderman by himself WHILE restraining himself has tangled with Conners for pages on end.. He can't even handle Sabretooth for panels on end.... WITH HELP.

Spiderman's hurt his hand on Conner's face with two or three punches iirc and yet STILL manages to give him full fledged fights.

What part of that cements having a harder time or weaker performances?

Originally posted by namorsubby
jesus.......curt DID desire to die in that fight with vermin. i have the scans on my thread that state so within the dialogue of their fight.you might wanna check through there [b]thoroughly before you state anymore "facts" concerning the lizard. this is getting ridiculous[/B]

Yeah no he didn't. He had an in-fight moment of weakness where he almost considered giving in, and then he didn't. You act like he was considering suicide or had put major thought into this "desire to die" when in fact the non-partison narrative states flat out that he's reacting on pure instinct before the fight, and then states flat out that he's trying to kill Vermin after he starts fighting back.

His "desire to die" was actually just a moment of thought about giving in.. and it lasted all of one moment during a two comic slugfest.

Your version of "facts" are interesting to say the least.

Originally posted by namorsubby
black cat was uberly enhanced by the rock of life against lizard when they fought(AND SO WAS VERMIN).

Yeah? Prove it.....

As far as Stegron was concerned, mammals were devolving and getting weaker while lizards and reptiles were getting stronger.

As far as Reed was concerned it was simply driving various parties insane.

And if YOUR take WAS correct. You would be ignoring the fact that any upgrades would be geometric and in an order starting with Reptiles. Conners would also be getting stronger. Nice attempt to pretend like he was fighting enhanced enemies though, when infact they were simply driven to madness.

You want to argue otherwise.. Please provide where it was stated.

Originally posted by namorsubby
and the only reason she took the advantage was because curt's son was shot before his eyes and it was a bit of a distraction to say the least.

Oh please that was at the tail end of their fight. Before that happened she was WELL into holding her own... 😐
That's not even up for debate.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i love how you bring up instances like this and simply leave out what is inconvienent to your arguement.

Oh you mean like bringing up two explosions in an attempt to prove Reptiles durability where REGULAR HUMANS also survived said explosions?

No... you must mean like pretending that one panel of in fight thought takes precendence over pages of narrative?

Oh wait that was you.

Originally posted by namorsubby
idk if i can stand anymore of your "facts". cat wasn't "toned down". she was the most savage and powerful she's been. exact opposites. can't believe this.
You THINK she was the most powerful she's ever been because she performed well against Lizard... but you also think Lizard has mass amounts of taking Spiderman out with ease giving no credit as to the surrounding circumstances for why.

She WAS more savage... because she was losing her mind. At no point was there any reference that I remember as to her increasing in ability. Please provide evidence if you think otherwise.

Or I can just pretend she was enhanced when she took fights to Venom and Carnage.

Originally posted by namorsubby
anyway. i believe i agreed to disagree some time back. good match, but i'll take curt FTM
Yeah you did, but don't think just because you bow out you're somehow going to get the last word on a mountain of proposed bullshit. Like no one is going to correct you because you came to an "agreement"...

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, that doesn't seem right.

Are there more instances of him ripping apart webbing?

I think a portion of that can be attested to his claws..

In their first encounter he pryed webbing off his face.. but his face came with it.

Originally posted by jinzin
I think a portion of that can be attested to his claws..

In their first encounter he pryed webbing off his face.. but his face came with it.

If his arms were outside the webbing I would agree, but I don't see how useful his claws would be with his entire body encased in webbing.

But maybe the artist don't know how to draw them actually cutting the web w/o it looking like they just powered through it, because there is a somewhat similar instance with Wolverine. srug

Well spidey's webbing is like tarp, it's really strong, but even a tiny rip, and the rest comes apart rather easily.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well spidey's webbing is like tarp, it's really strong, but even a tiny rip, and the rest comes apart rather easily.
Where did you come across this bit of info?

For some reason I always thought his webbing was like a spider's web.

I saw an episode of Boy Meets World, and I felt like imparting Feeny's wisdom to the internet. 😐

I doubt it, Feeny would know better.

Feeny always knows best....Mr.Matthews

Umm, excuse me, but I'm obviously Shawn.

I'm sorry then Mr. Hunter, my vision is failing me in my old age.

sabertooth not being able to rip webbing would put me on my back in tears laughing so hard LMAO dont even debate on him not being able to rip webbing.

Originally posted by jinzin
PTFFBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

YEAH RIGHT!

You're outright delusional if you think that's the case. What I'm talking about is pretty much every fight Conners has had with ol' Petey boy.
Almost every damned one has some instance of:
Spiderman pulling punches to a point that he chastizes himself for doing so based on their relationship, even moreso than usual.
Stopping himself from taking blows when to try and reason with Conners.
Conners calling upon all manner of swamp creature to help fight Spidey.
Spidey getting distracted.
Spidey worrying about bystanders.
Spidey getting blindsided or sneak attacked.
Having his SS on the fritze.
Being poisoned in the McFarlane instance.
And the list goes on and on....

To think that Conners' fights with Spiderman are even REMOTELY "straight up" in any of the instances he's secured an advantage are out and out DE-LUSIONAL.

I don't need links to a respect thread for a character who almost entirely Spiderman related. I realize that you're probably used to going into thread completely unaware of the facts concerning the opposition as it's what you normally do but unlike you I engage in VS. threads when I actually know a bit about what I'm talking about....

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Conners having the same level of healing as Sabretooth! LMAO


HEY! yo jinzin what are you talkin about. IF YOU HADE THE BRAIN POWER TO MAKE IT OVER TO THE LIZARD RESPECT FORUM/THREAD YOU WOULD SEE PEOPLE POST UP PICTURES OF THE LIZARD CHANGING AND LIZARD GRABING HIM WITH HIS TAIL AND SLAMMIN HIM ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE E WAS AN OLE RAG DOLL SO DONT GIVE ME THAT BS IF YOUR GONNA SAY HE CANT DO THAT TO SPIDEY READ IT BEFORE CONSULTING ME ABOUT YOUR STUPIDITY LVL

EXCUSE MY BURST...
and as an add on yes he does have healing feat beyond that of ole sabes he regenerate thems took a rifle shot to the neck and the arm and got his neck crunched by falling off a building got up like it was nothing. not to mention his scales are moderatly durable. i know sabes can get through it still but dont put lizard down soo much before knowing enough about him.

Okay this would be a cool fight to see. Both characters have healing abilities, and are incredible strong. Speed, and just sheer ferocious fighters. After a while of slashing, biting, and ripping into one another Sabertooth would tire of it, and begin to use his superior fighting skill. Sabertooth would win, but it would be one heck of a fight.

Originally posted by d3str0ya10
HEY! yo jinzin what are you talkin about. IF YOU HADE THE BRAIN POWER TO MAKE IT OVER TO THE LIZARD RESPECT FORUM/THREAD YOU WOULD SEE PEOPLE POST UP PICTURES OF THE LIZARD CHANGING AND LIZARD GRABING HIM WITH HIS TAIL AND SLAMMIN HIM ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE E WAS AN OLE RAG DOLL SO DONT GIVE ME THAT BS IF YOUR GONNA SAY HE CANT DO THAT TO SPIDEY READ IT BEFORE CONSULTING ME ABOUT YOUR STUPIDITY LVL

EXCUSE MY BURST...
and as an add on yes he does have healing feat beyond that of ole sabes he regenerate thems took a rifle shot to the neck and the arm and got his neck crunched by falling off a building got up like it was nothing. not to mention his scales are moderatly durable. i know sabes can get through it still but dont put lizard down soo much before knowing enough about him.

If you're going to try and attack someone's intelligence, you should probably refrain from using paragraphs entirely composed of capital lettlers and spend more time attempting to compose more coherent trains of thought.

The saddest part is, I finally did go the Lizard respect thread thinking MAYBE there was some validity behind this propaganda...... and what did I find? Nothing! Nothing but MORE propaganda. Every fight I've already seen and every friggin plot device, sneak attack and CIS moment that I already referred to posted up WHILE ignoring said devices to simply state "lizard owns".

Yeah falling off a building is something Classic Tooth laughed at nevermind current. And being shot a couple of times? Lol...

Aside from the fact that that feat would invalidate his "super dense hyde" argument it was once again, something classic tooth would laugh at. Lizard has nothing that places him even close to Sabretooth in terms of healing who was casually replacing lost limbs and healing from broken necks penetrated brains and nanotech in mere moments.

Originally posted by jinzin
Every fight I've already seen and every friggin plot device, sneak attack and CIS moment that I already referred to posted up WHILE ignoring said devices to simply state "lizard owns".

True, I mentioned that to 'subby in Lizard vs. Cap thread, but he wouldn't listen.

One example being Lizard junior distracting Spidey...