Originally posted by jinzin
That's the whole thing about his rogues gallery, most of em are clowns who stumble onto powers. Antithetical to Spiderman who was a wizz that stumbled on powers.That's not an excuse for why Conners has lower healing feats.. There is no excuse. He simply doesn't heal as effeciently.
I agree, I'm not arguing that, Creed would laugh at Conner...but he still shouldnt be undersetimated
Originally posted by jinzin
Animal instincts and swiftness didn't help Wendigo much. 😐And I truely wonder how a class 30 character is going to stun him when class 50-100 characters have failed to do so with multitudes of blows.
Lizard has a regenerative factor but it's nowhere NEAR the same level as top healers like Creed and Logan. And Creed has proven to be bullet proof before as well... and grenade launcher proof, and bishop hitting him with the entire X-mansion's energy proof. 😬
About Wendigo fight... to be fair, Creed had prep. Wendy was scared and confused. I think it was even stated in one issue. Also most of the fight didn't take place on land... and Wendy is supposed to be immortal, I really can't understand how throat bitten off could stop him, but whatever.
Pretty sure Lizard's tail hits faster and harder that average Cl. 30.
Not arguing that Lizard heals faster than Creed. Would be stupid to do so.
Bullets bounced off Creed? When?
Originally posted by jinzin
Creed before his Weapon X/ Apocalypse enhancements dominated Spiderman who was teaming up with other heroes..... TWICE. 😐Lizard?..... has been pwned by Vermin, stalemated by classic human skinned Beast, and put on the defensive by Kraven iirc.
That was a hardcore version of Vermin. And in the end Lizard pwned him anyway.
Originally posted by jinzin
How the hell does that prove that Lizard could rip Sabretooth limb form limb?
😕All that proved was that Sabretooth's ligaments can be overextended it didn't prove that his skeleton, ligaments and tissue can be easily torn completely apart. Hell it didn't even prove that his Adamantium isn't bonded together.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I agree, I'm not arguing that, Creed would laugh at Conner...but he still shouldnt be undersetimated
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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
About Wendigo fight... to be fair, Creed had prep. Wendy was scared and confused. I think it was even stated in one issue. Also most of the fight didn't take place on land... and Wendy is supposed to be immortal, I really can't understand how throat bitten off could stop him, but whatever.
Yes Creed had prep.... that was NEVER used against Wendigo, so it's inconsequential. During their fight it was one on one hand to hand. The fact that it fell into the ocean doesn't matter too much, as it doesn't change the point of what I stated in that his animal instincts didn't help him win.
And when it comes down to it that goes for almost everyone who comes across Creed with animal instincts. Wolverine, the Native, the N'garai hordes, Beast, Wild Child and the things is.... that even though these people have brains and training COMPOUNDING upon their instincts they still can't seccure advantages against a guy who almost never takes any fight seriously. 😬
You claim that instincts are enough, I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Pretty sure Lizard's tail hits faster and harder that average Cl. 30.
Cause that's the types of damage he's going to have to dish out to even THINK about taking Creed out with sheer blows, whether it's from his tail or not.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bullets bounced off Creed? When?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That was a hardcore version of Vermin. And in the end Lizard pwned him anyway.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes Creed had prep.... that was NEVER used against Wendigo, so it's inconsequential. During their fight it was one on one hand to hand. The fact that it fell into the ocean doesn't matter too much, as it doesn't change the point of what I stated in that his animal instincts didn't help him win.
I didn't mean those traps and stuff. Creed terrorized Wendigo, driving it crazy. And that was a sneak attack.
Originally posted by jinzin
And when it comes down to it that goes for almost everyone who comes across Creed with animal instincts. Wolverine, the Native, the N'garai hordes, Beast, Wild Child and the things is.... that even though these people have brains and training COMPOUNDING upon their instincts they still can't seccure advantages against a guy who almost never takes any fight seriously. 😬You claim that instincts are enough, I wouldn't be too sure about that.
OK, exaggerated. Lizard has brains, though. Jenkins revealed that Connors was in control all along... it's just that he wanted the Lizard persona to be blamed, not him. Not sure if Marvel didn't retcon it, though.
Originally posted by jinzin
Than an averag class 30? Sure. But does he hit harder than CL 50, 60, 100?Cause that's the types of damage he's going to have to dish out to even THINK about taking Creed out with sheer blows, whether it's from his tail or not.
Into the red zone, Cyk hits creed with the speed and density of a bullet and it doesn't penetrate. Deadpool also unloaded round after round at Creeds head to no avail. This is all w/o Adamantium. And to be clear I am talking about his bone structure as I feel bullets should penetrate his skin.
I know about his uber durable bone structure, thought you meant completely bulletproof.
Originally posted by jinzin
No it was just Vermin.. the same guy Wolverine backed down.
Lizard dominated the first half of that fight, not the second.
You're talking about the fight from Sensation Spider-Man #26, right? I have to re-read it.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I didn't mean those traps and stuff. Creed terrorized Wendigo, driving it crazy. And that was a sneak attack.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
OK, exaggerated. Lizard has brains, though. Jenkins revealed that Connors was in control all along... it's just that he wanted the Lizard persona to be blamed, not him. Not sure if Marvel didn't retcon it, though.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWNo I stated Lizard has more durable skin earlier.
I know about his uber durable bone structure, thought you meant completely bulletproof.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWthe latest volume yes.
You're talking about the fight from Sensation Spider-Man #26, right? I have to re-read it.
Originally posted by jinzinok. neck breaking, shrugging off explosive force. all been done by curt, except for in my scans, curt's skin had no sign of injury
As to whether or not Sabretooth can take his neck breaking.http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/474/dogs3a.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5953/dogs4.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/338/dogs5.jpgThough I don't think it matters as Lizard doesn't have the sufficient power enough to do this to creed.
I also fail to see why Creed's muscles need to be described as steel cables AGAIN to validate the claim when his feats seem to support this
Originally posted by jinzinlol. i know you're not refering to that punisher/spidey team up on your thread? tsk,tsk,tsk. that proved nothing
Creed before his Weapon X/ Apocalypse enhancements dominated Spiderman who was teaming up with other heroes..... TWICE. 😐Lizard?..... has been pwned by Vermin, stalemated by classic human skinned Beast, and put on the defensive by Kraven iirc.
and so what, lizard has embarassed spidey several times in the past. he's appeared completely helpless against savage curt.
lol, if you're gonna state instances like with vermin, you might wanna mention important facts like how curt was fighting against a desire to die when he was engaged and that as soon as he overcame it he easily turned the tide. things like that are important so statements don't end up seeming convienently one-sided
beast? really? scans? same goes for kraven
Originally posted by namorsubby
ok. neck breaking, shrugging off explosive force. all been done by curt, except for in my scans, curt's skin had no sign of injury
yes and? we never argue that piercing damage advantage dident go to the lizard. we said blunt force.
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol. i know you're not refering to that punisher/spidey team up on your thread? tsk,tsk,tsk. that proved nothing
Originally posted by jinzinlizard has been crushed to bits after being slashed to bits and kept going undetered. do you really think that's all i would have as some ultimate feat of healing?
He took on shard going through his Torso and it put him momentarily down.... How is that remotely comparible to someone who walked through having his heart stabbed?
Originally posted by Battlehammerlol. well what seems to you is one thing.
really? seems to me it show sabertooth was at least as fast and as strong as spiderman and the even with help spiderman wasent much of a match for sabertooth
but the thing is, that match was barely a match at all. spidey and sabes weren't even really going at it. i don't remember spidey getting on the offensive one time. besides that there's simply nothing that indicates sabse is faster or stronger than spidey in those scans
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol. well what seems to you is one thing.but the thing is, that match was barely a match at all. spidey and sabes weren't even really going at it. i don't remember spidey getting on the offensive one time. besides that there's simply nothing that indicates sabse is faster or stronger than spidey in those scans
really sabertooth easily grabing spiderman by the neck holding him down, spiderman able to do nothing dident indicate anything to you? also spiderman and punisher wanted to fight sabertooth, sabertooth dident even want to fight and he still amde them look stupid.
Originally posted by jinzinyou guys have shown me nothing "far and away superior" in terms of healing feats. period. but yeah, go ahead, just keep saying that.
Sabretooth has lifted ten ton generators, ripped men apart who were able to resist Adamantium claws and ran through a force field designed to stop a full grown elephant charges. Even horses generate 7+ tons of force at a gallop.You're basing your argument on Lizards speed on his performance against spidey but ignoring Sabretooth's? Yeah that's logical. Tell me why Lizard has never so easily gutted Spiderman as Sabretooth has if he's so much faster?
And while his Skin might be more durable there's no proof whatsoever that his muscles and tendons are. And you probably WOULDN'T want to factor in their healing factor since Creed's far and away his superior.
so how exactly did you calculate how much that generator weighed? what kind is it? how did you exactly come to this conclusion.
when did sabes so easily gut spidey and please don't be speaking in reference to that whole pun/spidey team-up. it's started to get sad.
oh,and if you picked up a few liz appearances you'd know liz has dropped spidey quick,fast, and in a hurry several times. heck, you don't even need to do that, just check his thread.
Originally posted by Battlehammeri mean concerning blunt force and all, which you fail to acknowledge.
you said he got his neck broken lets see it.yea and? we already said it was. why do you keep repeateding something no ones even tried to debate. Your jsut strawmaning now.
oh, and those scans are on the way. they'll be in the thread shortly.
Originally posted by jinzinLol, did you actually research and see how much force a horse generates?
Sabretooth has lifted ten ton generators, ripped men apart who were able to resist Adamantium claws and ran through a force field designed to stop a full grown elephant charges. Even horses generate 7+ tons of force at a gallop.
Originally posted by namorsubby
i mean concerning blunt force and all, which you fail to acknowledge.oh, and those scans are on the way. they'll be in the thread shortly.
