Leon Kennedy(RE4) vs Chris Redfield(RE5)

Originally posted by LLLLLink
No, YOU were the one that said that the lasers dont even move as fast as the eye can see. Way to fall on your own argument...

Chris still has his agility? Look at a vid of Leon jumping through a window and Chris jumping through a window, and you tell me who is more graceful. 🙄

I said the lasers moving at Leon didn't move faster then the eye can see, as from my recollection, he was never in their trajectory. Even if Leon DID dodge a laser like you say, such a retarded event would be blatant PIS.

Dun't really care. It's not like this is some retarded gymnastics contest or something, it's a fight. Chris possesses both superior reaction speed and strength. He will destroy Leon.

Answer my previous points mah boi.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I said the lasers moving at Leon didn't move faster then the eye can see, as from my recollection, he was never in their trajectory. Even if Leon DID dodge a laser like you say, such a retarded event would be blatant PIS.

Dun't really care. It's not like this is some retarded gymnastics contest or something, it's a fight. Chris possesses both superior reaction speed and strength. He will destroy Leon.

Answer my previous points mah boi.

PIS? You mean like punching boulders in an active volcano, while the guy you are fighting just stands back, frozen in time by the powers of a cutscene?

Let me answer your "previous points" in the same manner that you have answered mine:

Dun't really care.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
PIS? You mean like punching boulders in an active volcano, while the guy you are fighting just stands back, frozen in time by the powers of a cutscene?

Let me answer your "previous points" in the same manner that you have answered mine:

I. DUN'T. CARE.

Wesker could have been giving Chris a handjob for all I care, Chris has shown the sufficient strength to do stupid stuff like moving boulders with uppercuts. Or pushing bins full of steel girders all on his lonesome.

I accept you concede to those points then.

First of all Chris and Leon are allies and would not fight each other. The only way they would fight each other is if one of them betrayed each other or one of them was infected with a virus that brainwashes them.

If Chris is brainwashed then Leon will find a way to snap Chris out of it and Leon wins, vice versa.

Now if Chris or Leon betrayed each other and are now enemies:

-Chris is stronger (bolder-punch), has better endurance (can take more damage), and better with firearms (was an ex-marksman)

-Leon is more agile (seen in surviving death traps in RE4 and degeneration), resourceful (good judgment on where to jump and which ledges to hang on to), and better at martial arts (can match Krauser with a knife)

If they fought each other with guns, Leon’s agility and good judgment will cause him to dodge and evade a lot of Chris’ shots. But eventually, Leon will slip up and make one mistake and it only takes one well-aimed bullet to kill Leon. So Chris would win but without taking a few rounds in his chest from Leon before he shoots and kills Leon. He would die within minutes without medical attention from the blood lost.

If they both ran out of bullets and now had to fight hand to hand or with knives, Leon wins no contest. Chris might be stronger, but an attack is useless if it misses. Leon will have to whack Chris with a couple of hits before Chris goes down since Chris and pretty high endurance. Ultimately Leon will be winded and out of breathe after the fight, but he will defeat Chris in the end when it comes down to melee on melee.

Since RE is a game where you primarily fight using guns and its bullets that kill, Chris has the overall advantage.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
This is RE4 Leon. Post was meaningless.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I thought that Claire didn't crash until they got to the Artic? Not comparable, if so.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
That's probably because they are PIS, or the feats simply don't exist.

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Originally posted by I_Cheat_U_LOSE
First of all Chris and Leon are allies and would not fight each other. The only way they would fight each other is if one of them betrayed each other or one of them was infected with a virus that brainwashes them.

If Chris is brainwashed then Leon will find a way to snap Chris out of it and Leon wins, vice versa.

Now if Chris or Leon betrayed each other and are now enemies:

-Chris is stronger (bolder-punch), has better endurance (can take more damage), and better with firearms (was an ex-marksman)

-Leon is more agile (seen in surviving death traps in RE4 and degeneration), resourceful (good judgment on where to jump and which ledges to hang on to), and better at martial arts (can match Krauser with a knife)

If they fought each other with guns, Leon’s agility and good judgment will cause him to dodge and evade a lot of Chris’ shots. But eventually, Leon will slip up and make one mistake and it only takes one well-aimed bullet to kill Leon. So Chris would win but without taking a few rounds in his chest from Leon before he shoots and kills Leon. He would die within minutes without medical attention from the blood lost.

If they both ran out of bullets and now had to fight hand to hand or with knives, Leon wins no contest. Chris might be stronger, but an attack is useless if it misses. Leon will have to whack Chris with a couple of hits before Chris goes down since Chris and pretty high endurance. Ultimately Leon will be winded and out of breathe after the fight, but he will defeat Chris in the end when it comes down to melee on melee.

Since RE is a game where you primarily fight using guns and its bullets that kill, Chris has the overall advantage.

Originally posted by I_Cheat_U_LOSE
First of all Chris and Leon are allies and would not fight each other. The only way they would fight each other is if one of them betrayed each other or one of them was infected with a virus that brainwashes them.

If Chris is brainwashed then Leon will find a way to snap Chris out of it and Leon wins, vice versa.

Now if Chris or Leon betrayed each other and are now enemies:

-Chris is stronger (bolder-punch), has better endurance (can take more damage), and better with firearms (was an ex-marksman)

-Leon is more agile (seen in surviving death traps in RE4 and degeneration), resourceful (good judgment on where to jump and which ledges to hang on to), and better at martial arts (can match Krauser with a knife)

If they fought each other with guns, Leon’s agility and good judgment will cause him to dodge and evade a lot of Chris’ shots. But eventually, Leon will slip up and make one mistake and it only takes one well-aimed bullet to kill Leon. So Chris would win but without taking a few rounds in his chest from Leon before he shoots and kills Leon. He would die within minutes without medical attention from the blood lost.

If they both ran out of bullets and now had to fight hand to hand or with knives, Leon wins no contest. Chris might be stronger, but an attack is useless if it misses. Leon will have to whack Chris with a couple of hits before Chris goes down since Chris and pretty high endurance. Ultimately Leon will be winded and out of breathe after the fight, but he will defeat Chris in the end when it comes down to melee on melee.

Since RE is a game where you primarily fight using guns and its bullets that kill, Chris has the overall advantage.

It's a hypothetical battle, the context doesn't have to make sense.

Anyway, most of your post was accurate, though it should be noted Chris fought Wesker, who also is a martial artist, in H2H.

Your H2H post is also wrong.

Chris easily has faster reaction speed (Dodged Wesker shooting at him, reacting to Wesker's attacks), is atleast as skilled, is stronger, faster (Managed to tag Wesker, a casual bullet timer), and moar endurant, meaning even if Leon hits Chris, Chris will prolly not die.

Chris murders Leon in H2H

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
It's a hypothetical battle, the context doesn't have to make sense.

Anyway, most of your post was accurate, though it should be noted Chris fought Wesker, who also is a martial artist, in H2H.

Your H2H post is also wrong.

Chris easily has faster reaction speed (Dodged Wesker shooting at him, reacting to Wesker's attacks), is atleast as skilled, is stronger, faster (Managed to tag Wesker, a casual bullet timer), and moar endurant, meaning even if Leon hits Chris, Chris will prolly not die.

Chris murders Leon in H2H

Context is very important in a battle.
In hypothetical battles there is no clear and guarantee winner, unless the opponent is seriously outclassed every way possible, there are only advantages, likelihoods, and probabilities for one character to defeat another. Since you cannot automatically assume a character will use a certain weapon/strategy/magic/skill, etc in a hypothetical battle victory is always uncertain. However, using context helps clears up this ambiguity in hypothetical battles thus giving a certain character the edge under certain circumstances.
Given the proper context, weaker opponents have the potential to defeat stronger opponents. Thus context matters.

Although Chris has fought Wesker, Chris fought Wesker WITH Sheva or Jill depending whether you're playing RE5 or Lost in Nightmares. So it cuts Chris' contribution to the fight against Wesker in half. Also Chris was not dominating nor easily defeating Wesker in hand to hand, he was getting overwhelmed and needed Sheva's help. However, Chris was able to take hits and blows from Wesker while he was getting overwhelmed which shows his endurance. Being able to counter-attack Wesker and avoid his shots in gameplay can only be taken with a grain of salt because these scenarios can differ depending upon what the player chooses to do. There are too many variables in gameplay mechanics to be taken as an absolute; gameplay mechanics are best used to get the jist of a character's capabilities.

I am still going to give the edge in melee on melee combat to Leon over Chris. Because this is a hypothetical battle, I am not wrong about this. Likewise, you favoring Chris in H2H is not wrong either because its hypothetical. The only way either of us can be wrong is unless Capcom shows Leon and Chris fighting hand to hand, and does not give Leon or Chris the villain handicap.
We just don't agree who is better in terms of hand to hand.

k

Pretty sure it's canon Sheva ran off to fight Jill by herself during the first fight. But the main point is Chris can react to Wesker, then beat the crap out of him. It also should be noted during the Knife Fight, Krauser seemed to have the upper hand, and actually seemed to be toying with Leon, and Leon would have died if not for Ada.

k

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I. DUN'T. CARE.

Wesker could have been giving Chris a handjob for all I care, Chris has shown the sufficient strength to do stupid stuff like moving boulders with uppercuts. Or pushing bins full of steel girders all on his lonesome.

I accept you concede to those points then.

Naw, you conceded first, pal.

RP, show feats or stop harping them, please. Thanks.
And how does Ada/Luis/Ashley/Mike helping Leon occasionally > Sheva helping Chris the ENTIRE game plus her little backup squad?

Chris may have punched a boulder, but Leon killed that lake monster with some hand-thrown harpoons.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Naw, you conceded first, pal.

Chris may have punched a boulder, but Leon killed that lake monster with some hand-thrown harpoons.

....No I didn't 😬

And....how exactly does that make Leon stronger then Chris? 😐

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
....No I didn't 😬

And....how exactly does that make Leon stronger then Chris? 😐

...Whatever you say.

Not sure, but it sure sounded impressive, didn't it?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
...Whatever you say.

Not sure, but it sure sounded impressive, didn't it?

Originally posted by Phanteros
No it doesn't considering people in the in the Ice age can kill a mammoth with spears as well.

Cuz Mammoth > RE4 lake monster, right?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
...Whatever you say.

Not sure, but it sure sounded impressive, didn't it?

Not really, considering Leon used dozens of spears applied directly to the mouth/forehead, and Del Lago has no durability feats.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Not really, considering Leon used dozens of spears applied directly to the mouth/forehead, and Del Lago has no durability feats.

Mouth/forhead is a gameplay option. It could be the tip of the tail, really.

True, Del Lago (thx for the name) has no feats, but Leon did pretty good for a guy weakened by Las Plagas.

Just realized, Leon is on meds half the game.😐

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Mouth/forhead is a gameplay option. It could be the tip of the tail, really.

True, Del Lago (thx for the name) has no feats, but Leon did pretty good for a guy weakened by Las Plagas.

Just realized, Leon is on meds half the game.😐

Key word, "could"

Leon didn't get the Plagas pains until after he raped Del Lago, and I have seen no evidence Las Plagas weakened him.

k.

Leon gives Chris an overdose of steroids.

/thread.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Mouth/forhead is a gameplay option. It could be the tip of the tail, really.

That last thing you said is a gameplay option. The most logical way of slaying Del Lago would be to throw harpoons on its head and in its mouth.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Leon gives Chris an overdose of steroids.

/thread.

Silly little man, there is no such thing as an overdose to Chris.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Key word, "could"

Leon didn't get the Plagas pains until after he raped Del Lago, and I have seen no evidence Las Plagas weakened him.

k.

Yeah.

Well, whose to say he wasn't immediately weakened when he got injected? Food for thought.

You try doing the stuff Leon does when you are pregnant with a Las Plagas parasite and then tell me that it doesn't affect your abilities. I'm joking, of course.

If I was allowed to use Degeneration (which I'm not), then I would have some fantastic Leon strength and durability feats for you.