Lulz @ Xzpunisher
Originally posted by jrodslamSpectre was put down/disabled several times in Day of Vengeance. When Black Alice stole his powers, he was an insubstantial ghost for several minutes and even flew away from the battlefield. When amped Captain Marvel beat on him, he had to be flown away by Eclipso and was forced to recover. When prepped Shazam used his collected trinkets, Spectre was down for the length of an entire conversation between Shazam, Phantom Stranger and the Sentinels of Magic. When you consider a normal battleground scenario, each of those count as a win. Because in the former two, Spectre was powerless, although not dead and although he could recover. As for the last case, had Shazam decided not to rest on his laurels and continued to assault him or perhaps try to entrap him the way Madame Xanadu did once, then Spectre would never had the opportunity to begin draining his magic.
The original statement was "Very quickly is a relative term. If he's down for a ten count, seems like a knock out to me. And he was put down/disabled for more than ten counts several times throughout Day of Vengeance and in other stories."I dont recall Spectre ever being knocked out in DoV. I may be wrong and if i am, id like to see the scans to refresh my memory. I do remember Spectre being temporarily incapacitated, but damage wasnt able to be done against him at the same time(Black Alice). The wizard knocked him down, but not out and Spectre recovered and killed him.
If we talk about a character being knocked out for 10 secs, id like to know how that would equate to a victory when the person gets up and pulverizes the person or even kill them? The reason i think the 10 sec bfr and 10 sec knockout are similar is because it doesnt keep the person out of the fight long enough to be considered a victory imo.
Consider a H2H scenario between street-levelers. If you knock Captain America out for 10 seconds, that's a win. I'm not relying on some standardized artificial 10-second rule. Only on the natural progression of the fight. If the other opponent were really going for the win and Cap was unconscious for 10 seconds, the opponent would have every opportunity to clobber Cap some more, break his arms, or even outright kill him. Cap's defenseless because he's unconscious. This is exactly why in boxing and other sports, there is a 10 second rule. You could clobber the knocked out guy in those 10 seconds and guarantee the victory, but we don't want people getting killed.
The only way you could dismiss a 10-second knockout rule is if you automatically assume that during those 10 seconds, the opponent who's standing isn't willing to or is stupid enough to not press any further advantage against their fallen opponent.
BFR is completely different, because the only rule considering BFR is whether you can get back on your own power. If you have the power to get back, e.g. flying back, teleportion, etc. you are not BFR'ed and therefore you did not lose.
^ It wasn't PIS that Spectre was initially overwhelmed by amped Captain Marvel and had his own power beaten out of him before he could get a hold of the situation. It wasn't PIS when Shazam did the same thing and it was Shazam's own PIS that he didn't finish the job. And it wasn't PIS when Madame Xanadu trapped him in her crystal ball. Spectre can absorb magic. Yes. He's been beaten by it too gg.
Yes it is pis since he can at anytime he wants just take their magic and beat the crap out of them,non pis spectre which is what is in this thread by our forum rules is allowed to start the fight by drawing magic in from all over the universe or taking it from rkt,if spectre wanted to be smart DOV would have been over in a couple pages.