Nightcrawler versus Darth Maul.....

Nightcrawler and Darth Maul go at it on the Death Star.

Nightcrawler is ordered to kill Maul, who Stryker thinks is one of the X Men's newest recruits. Maul is told to kill Nightcrawler, who Sidious believes is a Jedi.

They start out at seperate ends of the station, having to hunt one another down.

CONDITIONS: Nightcrawler can do anything he did in the movies and has his knife.

Maul has the power of the force and his lightsaber. To avoid any arguments, Maul can only use force pull and push, as well as TK on any object he sees fit, and of course precog. No force choke or force lightning bullshit.

SCENARIO ONE: Maul has both his lightsaber blades.

SCENARIO TWO: Maul has only one lightsaber blade.

SCENARIO THREE: Hand to hand, no weapons.

1 & 2: Probably Maul, going on the grounds that he'll be able to predict where NC is teleporting to and be ready with a Sabre. Despite the clownery in the movies concerning Jedi/Sith powers.

3: Probably NC.

1 and 2 definitely Maul, NC will never get close enough for h2h.

3, NC 8/10. Sooner or later Maul will catch NC in a force hold.

NC does teleport to another dimension before returning, so the Force might not be able to predict it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
1 and 2 definitely Maul, NC will never get close enough for h2h.

3, NC 8/10. Sooner or later Maul will catch NC in a force hold.

Which he could teleport out of.

Originally posted by Placidity
NC does teleport to another dimension before returning, so the Force might not be able to predict it.

Good point.

Originally posted by Placidity
NC does teleport to another dimension before returning, so the Force might not be able to predict it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which he could teleport out of.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That is never implied in X Men movies, is it?

Actually it is. The smoke he teleports back in with is gases from the dimension he teleports to and from.

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Originally posted by Placidity
Actually it is. The smoke he teleports back in with is gases from the dimension he teleports to and from.

I posted that in the other thread, too. 😄

If we are to go by the "words" about a using the force to predict stuff....

Then maul predicts where NC is coming from everytime, regardless.

Maul is of the same breed that can easily detect where blaster bolt is coming from and deflect it back at the person firing. And the whole thing on "jedi reflexes" makes this a easy for Maul.

We should give NC some sort of armor or saber...or something.

In the movies, the Force was never used to predict anything except an assassination attempt on Padme's life, and the blocking of laser bolts. They could use the Force to read emotions, but that's it. If they could predict attacks, that shapeshifter wouldn't have been killed by Jango in Episode II.

Originally posted by KingD19
In the movies, the Force was never used to predict anything except an assassination attempt on Padme's life, and the blocking of laser bolts. They could use the Force to read emotions, but that's it. If they could predict attacks, that shapeshifter wouldn't have been killed by Jango in Episode II.

You're new to this so I'll be gentle.

The changling was killed only because the Jedi's were out of focus with the force, having chased this person all over, and the attack was never intended on their person...preventing their "spider-senses" from tingling.

And, yes, the precog ability is seen many many times in Star Wars. Every single saber fight is a homage to predicting the future in an instant to prevent an attack.

Also, you've missed that tons and tons of attacks occured that would have killed anyone without the force. When Obi Wan opened the door to the landing pad, he was immediately fired on and he blockd it.

What you're thinking about is predicting the future...which is also done. I'm just refering to battle precog which predicts very small fractions of a second into the future to anticipate something.

Originally posted by Placidity
Actually it is. The smoke he teleports back in with is gases from the dimension he teleports to and from.

NOPE. End of discussion.

Anakin did nothing but fly a speeder, and Obi-Wan fell after her, and other mundane chase things, as calm as they were the whole time, they were not out of focus with the Force. Besides, two powerful jedi would not be so easily distracted. Also, they're supposed to sense danger, regardless. Those slugs that would have killed Padme weren't trying to kill Anakin and Obi-Wan, but they sensed it.

And I said they can use their abilities to block blaster bolts, and I didn't mention it, but yes, in saber fighting as well, I thought that was a given, my mistake.

When Obi-Wan was fired on, he didn't expect, otherwise he wouldn't have gone out that way, he simply reacted by letting the Force flow through his body, which is how he blocked the shots. The Force helping him predict the aim of the shots, and giving him sufficient speed to block them.

And seeing into the future and battle precog are closely related. Maul could supposedly see into the future to know where Kurt is attacking. Same thing with his precog. I simply don't see that happening, anticipating his attacks without TP, yes, but with it, no.

Someone mentioned that Kurt ported through another dimension. That is true(In the comics it's his fathers dimension, but I won't bore you with that.) And in the EU, Jedi can't feel the Force on someone from another dimension or outside of known space, while it is EU, it's safe to assume the same can be applied here. Kurt teleporting through a different dimension, means he's no longer connected to the Force until he gets back.

And Rogue, don't bring that stating bull up, his powers, just like everybody else(except Juggernaut's), powers are exactly the same, there's no reason to say it isn't. And why do you think he produces smoke? Because that's the atmosphere of his dimension, the bamf noise is gases, the smoke is from his home dimension, as is the smell.

Originally posted by KingD19
Anakin did nothing but fly a speeder, and Obi-Wan fell after her, and other mundane chase things, as calm as they were the whole time, they were not out of focus with the Force. Besides, two powerful jedi would not be so easily distracted. Also, they're supposed to sense danger, regardless. Those slugs that would have killed Padme weren't trying to kill Anakin and Obi-Wan, but they sensed it.

And I said they can use their abilities to block blaster bolts, and I didn't mention it, but yes, in saber fighting as well, I thought that was a given, my mistake.

When Obi-Wan was fired on, he didn't expect, otherwise he wouldn't have gone out that way, he simply reacted by letting the Force flow through his body, which is how he blocked the shots. The Force helping him predict the aim of the shots, and giving him sufficient speed to block them.

And seeing into the future and battle precog are closely related. Maul could supposedly see into the future to know where Kurt is attacking. Same thing with his precog. I simply don't see that happening, anticipating his attacks without TP, yes, but with it, no.

Someone mentioned that Kurt ported through another dimension. That is true(In the comics it's his fathers dimension, but I won't bore you with that.) And in the EU, Jedi can't feel the Force on someone from another dimension or outside of known space, while it is EU, it's safe to assume the same can be applied here. Kurt teleporting through a different dimension, means he's no longer connected to the Force until he gets back.

And Rogue, don't bring that stating bull up, his powers, just like everybody else(except Juggernaut's), powers are exactly the same, there's no reason to say it isn't. And why do you think he produces smoke? Because that's the atmosphere of his dimension, the bamf noise is gases, the smoke is from his home dimension, as is the smell.

It is never implied that NC jumps to another dimension in X2, so therefore it has no bearing here. Where is this dimension? Is it shown in the movies? Is NC shown in this dimension? Does anyone state that NC jumps to another dimension? NOPE.

If we are gonna go EU and use ALL facts about combatants, comics, books, games and movies, etc etc etc, then Maul can do whatever he wishes. He can create a force tornado around himself making it impossible for NC to approach him. He can move planets with his mind. He can pretty much destroy NC with only a thought........See now why it's movies only here?

I know it's movie versus rules but answer me this. Are everyones powers the same in the movies, yes, or no?

It doesn't need to be stated in the movies, you know it is in the comics, and they took his character directly from there. If they didn't keep his powers the same, why would they keep the smoke?

I wasn't using EU Nightcrawler, I was simply stating what is widely known about his powers. And I was qouting EU Star Wars because that's the only knowledge they have, as the movies don't divulge that info. So, if it isn't stated, then Maul can't precog Kurt's attacks, because it wasn't shown on screen. Maul can't get him in a Force Hold, because he didn't do it on screen, he can't get a Force Pull either, all he has is push.

And if we do EU, Maul still only showed the most basic of powers, TK, and augmented abilities. So where does that get him? Because as you know, they can only do things they've been shown doing, so yeah, Maul can't do all that much with the Force. In the movies, Maul can't even block blaster fire, because he wasn't shown doing it.

Originally posted by KingD19
I know it's movie versus rules but answer me this. Are everyones powers the same in the movies, yes, or no?

It doesn't need to be stated in the movies, you know it is in the comics, and they took his character directly from there. If they didn't keep his powers the same, why would they keep the smoke?

I wasn't using EU Nightcrawler, I was simply stating what is widely known about his powers. And I was qouting EU Star Wars because that's the only knowledge they have, as the movies don't divulge that info. So, if it isn't stated, then Maul can't precog Kurt's attacks, because it wasn't shown on screen. Maul can't get him in a Force Hold, because he didn't do it on screen, he can't get a Force Pull either, all he has is push.

And if we do EU, Maul still only showed the most basic of powers, TK, and augmented abilities. So where does that get him? Because as you know, they can only do things they've been shown doing, so yeah, Maul can't do all that much with the Force. In the movies, Maul can't even block blaster fire, because he wasn't shown doing it.

And don't lecture me on SW force powers. Every Jedi and Sith can block blaster fire, it's one of the most basic force powers. so yes, one may say Maul can block blaster fire. One cannot, however, say he can use force lightning, because only two are shown using it, Vader and Sidious.

Also, force hold/push/pull, it's all TK, it's all related, it's a no brainer that if someone can do one of them, they can do all. TK is TK.

No, every Jedi/Sith, can't block fire, because the ones who couldn't were killed in the coliseum fight in Episode II, and when Order 66 was initiated in Episode III. And we go by what's seen in the movies right? Or did that change when I wasn't looking? Going by movies, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and a few others blocked blaster fire. Maul wasn't among them, and since it wasn't shown in the movies, he must be incapable of doing it.

Originally posted by KingD19
No, every Jedi/Sith, can't block fire, because the ones who couldn't were killed in the coliseum fight in Episode II, and when Order 66 was initiated in Episode III. And we go by what's seen in the movies right? Or did that change when I wasn't looking? Going by movies, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and a few others blocked blaster fire. Maul wasn't among them, and since it wasn't shown in the movies, he must be incapable of doing it.

Yes, we go by what is seen in the movies. Let's say someone is talking about Neo, for example. Neo is only shown using automatic weapons, right? Well, does that mean he can't use a revolver, or a shotgun? Some things like that may be allowed, but when someone watches a certain character, in this instance NC, and say "NC jumps to another dimension, therefore Maul cannot precog him", thats just stupid.

You are taking the MVF rules too literally, man.

No, you're hiding behind the rules. I'm just taking a page from your book. NC isn't seen in the other dimension, so he doesn't go there. You said that a few times. Maul isn't seen blocking Blaster fire, so he can't do it.