Spiky Thing VS Colossus

Originally posted by KingD19
Read what he said more carefully, more than almost anyone had achieved. Not more. Zom Strange, Juggs, and Sentry were the only ones who did better than Colossus. One had the power of one of the most feared entities in the Marvel universe, one was empowered by a demonic god to be an engine of unstoppable destruction, and the last has the power of a million exploding suns. Considering all Colossus can do is turn to metal, I say he did pretty well.

And Colossus bashed Abominations face in, it was stated, it happened off panel, but the guy clearly said. That metal guy bashed his face in.

And Abomination is stuck at 100 tons.

And Abomination is WAY stronger than Savage Hulk...until he gets angry. This proves nothing.

Zom Strange/Juggs/Sentry did do better than Colossus. So what? Did Spikey Thing face WWH? Nope.

Originally posted by theICONiac
Yup...Colossus is a superstar because he traded blows with WWH...so what???

My point is, he fared better than most superheroes did.

Why is it that you ignore all my other feats from Colossus, that obviously trump anything Spiked Thing did and focus only on this point?

Originally posted by theICONiac
Trying to battle ignorance is all...

Look at you're own posts for starters.

Originally posted by theICONiac
So whay doesn't this logic apply to Colossus???

It happens to a lot of characters. It doesn't happen often to Colossus.

Originally posted by theICONiac
Savage would 'crush' Spikey Thing??? Based on what???

Jesus Christ. The Grey Hulk beat the Spiked Thing. The Spiked Thing was only stronger than the Hulk's weakest incarnation to an extent.

The Savage Hulk would stomp Spiked Thing.

What has Spiked Thing shown otherwise?

He has only one feat, and that's being somewhat stronger than Grey Hulk while Colossus has taken on multiple heavy hitters and held his own.

Originally posted by theICONiac
And Abomination is WAY stronger than Savage Hulk...until he gets angry. This proves nothing.

Zom Strange/Juggs/Sentry did do better than Colossus. So what? Did Spikey Thing face WWH? Nope.

Classic Abomination was only twice as strong as the Savage Hulk's base strength. Savage Hulk's strength shoots up incredibly.

A 200 toner is nothing.

Yeah dude, he really only fought Fixit, who does everything at a slower rate than the other Hulks, including gaining strength and healing. He has no other feats to his name, if he did, we could have a real debate, but until then, Colossus is better, no contest.

And Abomination is WAY stronger than Savage Hulk...until he gets angry. This proves nothing.

^And this part right here, you're proving that Colossus wins. Colossus bashed in Abominations face, Abomination is Class 100, mid to high, Savage Hulk is Class 90 to start with, Colossus beat him into unconsciousness, even if it was for a short while. Spiky Thing fought, not beat, fought, Gray Hulk, who starts at Class 70, 15 tons weaker than regular Thing, who is Class 85.

Do the math and tell me who wins.

^ I approve the above post.

I was approved, goody. 😱

Not only were you just approved. You were approved by me.

Now I have to go.

I was supposed to go to the movies, I really want to watch Crank 2, but my friends are busy and girl friend has Volleyball today, so I'm reduced to playing Xbox 360 tonight. It's sad, but whatever.

Anyways, later KMC Boards.

That makes it all the sweeter.

And Crank 2 is awesome, in my opinion anyway, some people love it, some hate it, but hey, I likes what I likes.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
My point is, he fared better than most superheroes did.

Why is it that you ignore all my other feats from Colossus, that obviously trump anything Spiked Thing did and focus only on this point?

Look at you're own posts for starters.

It happens to a lot of characters. It doesn't happen often to Colossus.

Jesus Christ. The Grey Hulk beat the Spiked Thing. The Spiked Thing was only stronger than the Hulk's weakest incarnation to an extent.

The Savage Hulk would stomp Spiked Thing.

What has Spiked Thing shown otherwise?

He has only one feat, and that's being somewhat stronger than Grey Hulk while Colossus has taken on multiple heavy hitters and held his own.

Jesus Christ indeed! Now you feel my aggravation...

Grey Hulk ONLY was decimated by ONE opponent...Spikey Thing. Grey hulk beat (soundly) Abomination/Freedom Force etc. Savage Hulk would NOT 'stomp' ST. ST would ABSOLUTELY give him a challenge as the whole Abomination thing proves.

The crux of my argument hinges on what the grey hulk has accomplished. Given his feats (and his poor showing against ST) proves that ST is a major powerhouse. Able to do anything Colossus has accomplished.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah dude, he really only fought Fixit, who does everything at a slower rate than the other Hulks, including gaining strength and healing. He has no other feats to his name, if he did, we could have a real debate, but until then, Colossus is better, no contest.

And Abomination is WAY stronger than Savage Hulk...until he gets angry. This proves nothing.

^And this part right here, you're proving that Colossus wins. Colossus bashed in Abominations face, Abomination is Class 100, mid to high, Savage Hulk is Class 90 to start with, Colossus beat him into unconsciousness, even if it was for a short while. Spiky Thing fought, not beat, fought, Gray Hulk, who starts at Class 70, 15 tons weaker than regular Thing, who is Class 85.

Do the math and tell me who wins.

Must be that 'new math' they are teaching in schools nowadays...

ST lost to grey hulk through trickery...not strength. Grey hulk beat Abomination soundly (who was beat by Colossus as you claim).

How does this make Colossus stronger than ST?

Originally posted by KingD19
That makes it all the sweeter.

And Crank 2 is awesome, in my opinion anyway, some people love it, some hate it, but hey, I likes what I likes.

And Vin Diesel sucks giant hairy donkey b@lls...

Just saying' 😛

Originally posted by theICONiac
And Vin Diesel sucks giant hairy donkey b@lls...

Just saying' 😛

Yup, I meant 'Jason Statham' 😄

Originally posted by theICONiac
Jesus Christ indeed! Now you feel my aggravation...

Grey Hulk ONLY was decimated by ONE opponent...Spikey Thing. Grey hulk beat (soundly) Abomination/Freedom Force etc. Savage Hulk would NOT 'stomp' ST. ST would ABSOLUTELY give him a challenge as the whole Abomination thing proves.

The crux of my argument hinges on what the grey hulk has accomplished. Given his feats (and his poor showing against ST) proves that ST is a major powerhouse. Able to do anything Colossus has accomplished.

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Spiked Thing only fought one opponent and that was Grey Hulk and he still lost.

Grey Hulk beat Abomination soundly?

So what?

So has Colossus, Savage Hulk.

You're using A, B, C logic at best here.

Going by that, Colossus stomps both Grey Hulk, and Spiked Thing, as he has stalemated the likes of Gladiator for an extent.

The bottom line is, that Spiked Thing lost to Grey Hulk, who is inferior to both Savage Hulk and Colossus.

Savage Hulk would rape Abomination if he got a bit pissed. Even Classic Abomination was only twice the base level strength of the Hulk, and the more recent Abomination is a joke.

Grey Hulk beat Abomination, and Spiked Thing was able to overpower Grey Hulk to an extent?

Grey Hulk if given enough time would be beyond Spiked Thing as well. He just increases in strength much slower than Savage Hulk.

That in no way proves that he can hang with either Colossus or Savage Hulk.

Grey Hulk starts out at less than 70 tons if I recall, and he increases in strength significantly slower than his other counter parts.

Over powering him to an extent proves nothing. Savage Hulk, is beyond an enraged Gray Hulk at base strength.

This is a weak argument.

We didn't even see the Abomination vs. Colossus fight so I wouldn't say he beat him soundly as even the X-Men were there with him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

Spiked Thing only fought one opponent and that was Grey Hulk and he still lost.

Grey Hulk beat Abomination soundly?

So what?

So has Colossus, Savage Hulk.

You're using A, B, C logic at best here.

Going by that, Colossus stomps both Grey Hulk, and Spiked Thing, as he has stalemated the likes of Gladiator for an extent.

The bottom line is, that Spiked Thing lost to Grey Hulk, who is inferior to both Savage Hulk and Colossus.

Savage Hulk would rape Abomination if he got a bit pissed. Even Classic Abomination was only twice the base level strength of the Hulk, and the more recent Abomination is a joke.

Grey Hulk beat Abomination, and Spiked Thing was able to overpower Grey Hulk to an extent?

Grey Hulk if given enough time would be beyond Spiked Thing as well. He just increases in strength much slower than Savage Hulk.

That in no way proves that he can hang with either Colossus or Savage Hulk.

Grey Hulk starts out at less than 70 tons if I recall, and he increases in strength significantly slower than his other counter parts.

Over powering him to an extent proves nothing. Savage Hulk, is beyond an enraged Gray Hulk at base strength.

This is a weak argument.

No, YOUR argument is weak.
Spikey Thing totally destroyed Grey Hulk, during a fight that went on several pages, meaning Hulk would've been up to a 100+ ton strength level. Dr Doom rescued the beaten Hulk by sending in a Savage Hulk robot to fight the Thing. Thing then destroyed the Hulk robot. Grey Hulk (now recovered) then subjected the (now tired) Thing to relentless surprise attacks, finally tricking him into the water where he half drowned him. And this only worked because the Thing didn't even know he was fighting the Hulk.

As to Colossus recent fight with Savage Hulk... Colossus briefly knocked out a weakened Hulk. That was all. Earlier on in the comic, when the Hulk wasn't weakened, Colossus was completely ineffectual against the Hulk... and admitted it himself! Whereas the Thing ... regular Thing that is, not Spikey, has stalemated Hulk through long drawn out battles, being beaten eventually for sure, but certainly giving the Hulk a better fight than Colossus did.

Originally posted by Batroc
No, YOUR argument is weak.
Spikey Thing totally destroyed Grey Hulk, during a fight that went on several pages, meaning Hulk would've been up to a 100+ ton strength level. Dr Doom rescued the beaten Hulk by sending in a Savage Hulk robot to fight the Thing. Thing then destroyed the Hulk robot. Grey Hulk (now recovered) then subjected the (now tired) Thing to relentless surprise attacks, finally tricking him into the water where he half drowned him. And this only worked because the Thing didn't even know he was fighting the Hulk.

As to Colossus recent fight with Savage Hulk... Colossus briefly knocked out a weakened Hulk. That was all. Earlier on in the comic, when the Hulk wasn't weakened, Colossus was completely ineffectual against the Hulk... and admitted it himself! Whereas the Thing ... regular Thing that is, not Spikey, has stalemated Hulk through long drawn out battles, being beaten eventually for sure, but certainly giving the Hulk a better fight than Colossus did.

Grey Hulk strength increases much slower than Savage Hulk. I doubt he was at 100 tons much less over.

He overpowered Grey Hulk etc. This proves that he can defeat a being who has hung with Gladiator, Savage Hulk, Juggernaut etc. how?

A weakened Hulk?

The Hulk wasn't weakened.

A teenage Colossus, was able to knock the Hulk on his ass and was going blow for blow with him. Hell, Colossus was even going blow for blow with World War Hulk for a few pages. The only people who did better than him in that entire arc were probably only Zom Strange, Sentry, and the Juggernaut.

What do you mean ineffective?

He said that his punches seemed to have no affect as the beast was only getting stronger, which was because the Hulk has an amazing healing factor and only gets stronger and stronger rapidly.

When has the Thing given the Hulk better battles?

Which Hulk are you referring to?

Just wondering.

I mean seriously, the likes of She-Hulk would turn the Thing into pebbles. While wearing a power dampening suit, while holding back, she with one arm, easily is able to crush the Things maximum weight, without trying.

Let's not forget that teenage Colossus, who is only Class 70 had Juggernaut feeling his punches, and got complimented by him. Thing has never been complimented by anybody of that strength class.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Grey Hulk strength increases much slower than Savage Hulk. I doubt he was at 100 tons much less over.

He overpowered Grey Hulk etc. This proves that he can defeat a being who has hung with Gladiator, Savage Hulk, Juggernaut etc. how?

He didn't hang with these characters, he got his ass kicked easily by all of them.

A weakened Hulk?

The Hulk wasn't weakened.

Yes he was. Read the comic.

A teenage Colossus, was able to knock the Hulk on his ass and was going blow for blow with him.

He knocked a weakened Hulk on his ass. Before this couldn't do anything to harm the Hulk. Read the comic

Hell, Colossus was even going blow for blow with World War Hulk for a few pages. The only people who did better than him in that entire arc were probably only Zom Strange, Sentry, and the Juggernaut.

You're insane if you believe this. Colossus was fighting along side the x-men, and couldn't do a thing against WWH. Once Colossus became too irritating, Hulk bent back Colossus' arms and finished the battle. He could've done that in the first second of the fight. If you think Colossus was going blow for blow with World War Hulk you are seriously deluded.

What do you mean ineffective?

He said that his punches seemed to have no affect as the beast was only getting stronger, which was because the Hulk has an amazing healing factor and only gets stronger and stronger rapidly.

Exactly, that sounds ineffective to me.

When has the Thing given the Hulk better battles?

The first two Hulk/Thing battles for a start.

Which Hulk are you referring to?

Savage.

Just wondering.

I mean seriously, the likes of She-Hulk would turn the Thing into pebbles. While wearing a power dampening suit, while holding back, she with one arm, easily is able to crush the Things maximum weight, without trying.

Wasn't that when she was temporarily stronger? Having beaten Champion, and also easily beating Hercules in arm wrestle?

The quote function is you're friend. I tried replying to you're post and it's a mess.

Can you edit it, or am I forced to respond to it, the way it is?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The quote function is you're friend. I tried replying to you're post and it's a mess.

Can you edit it, or am I forced to respond to it, the way it is?

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