Originally posted by Batroc
He didn't hang with these characters, he got his ass kicked easily by all of them.
I think you missed the comics where Colossus stalemated Gladiator (Gladiator barely won.), the comics where he has held his own with Juggernaut and has gone toe to toe (His knocked Juggernaut clean of his feet with a punch, and has held his own for a few pages in the past.) and I also think you missed the comic where he fought Savage Hulk and traded blows. He held his own against all these beings in the past.
What do you mean he has had his ass kicked easily?
Originally posted by Batroc
Yes he was. Read the comic.
How about you read the comic?
When was Hulk weakened?
What the hell are you talking about?
Hold on. Are you referring to when Lockheed set him on fire?
Do you honestly think something like that would weaken the Hulk?
That would just make him stronger and his healing factor would easily put out any minor damages made.
Lol!
How can you say that weakened the Hulk in any significant way?
Originally posted by Batroc
He knocked a weakened Hulk on his ass. Before this couldn't do anything to harm the Hulk. Read the comic
He was holding back as I recall, and once again, Lockheed, blew some minor fire on him. That didn't so much as singe his hair.
In what way would that weaken him?
Originally posted by Batroc
You're insane if you believe this. Colossus was fighting along side the x-men, and couldn't do a thing against WWH. Once Colossus became too irritating, Hulk bent back Colossus' arms and finished the battle. He could've done that in the first second of the fight. If you think Colossus was going blow for blow with World War Hulk you are seriously deluded.
Oh I'm sorry, all those pages they were trading punches, must have been my delusion.
Originally posted by Batroc
Exactly, that sounds ineffective to me.
Maybe to you.
Originally posted by Batroc
The first two Hulk/Thing battles for a start.
How old was that?
Originally posted by Batroc
Savage.
Savage Hulk would stomp the Thing easily. She-Hulk would stomp the Thing.
Originally posted by Batroc
Wasn't that when she was temporarily stronger? Having beaten Champion, and also easily beating Hercules in arm wrestle?
She worked out, and got stronger. She can become even stronger.
She easily beat a depowered Hercules, who was only a former shadow of himself.
At 85 ton strength Thing was always able to give Savage Hulk a good fight, even if he did tend to lose. In Spikey form he beat the crap out of Grey Hulk before Doom intervened with a Savage Hulk robot. At the point where Grey Hulk was overpowered and at Ben's mercy, Hulk's strength would probably been at around 100tons (as they had been fighting for some time) -but Ben was still far stronger. As Doom stated in the 2nd part of that story Grey hulk was unable to attain sufficient strength before Ben defeated him. How anyone can say Colossus is definitely stronger than Spikey Thing, when the 2 never fought each other, and Ben didin't get to test himself against the likes of Gladiator, I don't know. just because Ben never fought Gladiator doesn't mean he'll get beat up by him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThis is true.He was holding back as I recall, and once again, Lockheed, blew some minor fire on him. That didn't so much as singe his hair.
In what way would that weaken him?
Colossus said he kept hitting him harder indicating his first punches were not full power.
Well if a Class 85 Thing can give Savage Hulk a fight, and a Class 70 teenage Colossus knocked him unconscious, even for a bit..... hmmmmm, I wonder. If a Class 70 teenage Colossus can knock Juggs on his ass and hit him so hard he feels the punch, hmmmmm, I wonder.
And like we said, Gray Hulk gets stronger a lot slower than the other forms, he probably wasn't even at Class 100 when Spiky Thing beat him. He might have been somewhere between Class 80-90, but not 100.
Originally posted by KingD19
Let's not forget that teenage Colossus, who is only Class 70 had Juggernaut feeling his punches, and got complimented by him. Thing has never been complimented by anybody of that strength class.
In a non PIS situation Colossus should learn to avoid walls when fighting Cain.
Originally posted by KingD19
Well if a Class 85 Thing can give Savage Hulk a fight, and a Class 70 teenage Colossus knocked him unconscious, even for a bit..... hmmmmm, I wonder. If a Class 70 teenage Colossus can knock Juggs on his ass and hit him so hard he feels the punch, hmmmmm, I wonder.And like we said, Gray Hulk gets stronger a lot slower than the other forms, he probably wasn't even at Class 100 when Spiky Thing beat him. He might have been somewhere between Class 80-90, but not 100.
As far as Grey Hulk's strength level goes, we only definitely know that he has the lowest base strength 70tons. This belief that his strength increases at a slower rate than ALL the other incarnations stems from the fact that he is mostly compared to his Savage incarnation. Grey Hulk's higher intelligence means he doesn't lose it like Savage Hulk. With all versions of Hulk the rate their strength increases depends on their level of anger. Savage Hulk needs little reason to become furious and so his strength amps up relatively quickly. If you put Savage Hulk's personality in Grey's body, Grey Hulk's strength when fighting would increase more quickly than normal.
As for Colossus beating Savage Hulk unconscious and flooring Juggernaut-oth are PIS. In that same story with Juggernaut, Cain screamed in agony when Nightcrawler hit him with a flaming torch. Juggs has taken far more powerful attacks and barely noticed them. When Nutrient Bath separated Hulk went toe to toe against the combined force of East Coast and West Coast Avengers, he was severely weakened by his separation from Banner-but he gave them a good run for their money before they eventually wore him down. But a fully powered angr Savage Hulk gets knocked out by teenage 70ton Colossus.
At 85 tons Thing consistently did well against Savage Hulk and in his Spikey form he was about twice as strong. To say that Colossus definitely trumps him in pure strength is ridiculous. Spikey's lack of feats is down to the fact that he was Spikey for only a short time.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
At 85 ton strength Thing was always able to give Savage Hulk a good fight, even if he did tend to lose. In Spikey form he beat the crap out of Grey Hulk before Doom intervened with a Savage Hulk robot. At the point where Grey Hulk was overpowered and at Ben's mercy, Hulk's strength would probably been at around 100tons (as they had been fighting for some time) -but Ben was still far stronger. As Doom stated in the 2nd part of that story Grey hulk was unable to attain sufficient strength before Ben defeated him. How anyone can say Colossus is definitely stronger than Spikey Thing, when the 2 never fought each other, and Ben didin't get to test himself against the likes of Gladiator, I don't know. just because Ben never fought Gladiator doesn't mean he'll get beat up by him.
AMEN!
You are preaching to the choir over here...
Originally posted by theICONiac
Oh? Why is that?Buster1 merely reposted the EXACT same sentiment that I was (apparently unsuccessfully) trying to convey.
Refreshing to think I'm not the only one.
Too right you're not the only one. Unfortunately some posters think you should be banned if you have a different opinion to them.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYep, Colossus was fighting WWHulk pretty much by himself for almost 3 pages. The duration was long enough for Xavier and Elixir to carry the 400lb Beast from the battlefield to the mansion and have a little chat. The whole time Colossus was bangin with WWHulk.Hell, Colossus was even going blow for blow with World War Hulk for a few pages. The only people who did better than him in that entire arc were probably only Zom Strange, Sentry, and the Juggernaut.
And this was a Hulk who was one-shotting characters like She-Hulk, Thing, Samson, and Ares.
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